• German media boss Mathias Döpfner says UK economy will grow stronger post-Brexit
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This fella should replace Merkel. [url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/german-media-boss-mathias-dopfner-says-uk-economy-will-grow-stronger-post-brexit-1583443[/url] [url]https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi-u-qhobDPAhWiOsAKHX38D_EQqQIIITAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2Fec53be7c-819d-11e6-bc52-0c7211ef3198&usg=AFQjCNHrvU_emCToQgloDF3USkiXvnJtEg&sig2=45F87lFh6w50M1kMWn-Dvg[/url]
Excuse me if I take the word of actual economic experts over a "media boss"
I didn't knew Media bosses were a replacement for economic experts.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51117547]Excuse me if I take the word of actual economic experts over a "media boss"[/QUOTE] Seems like most of his media empire flourishes on typical tabloid journalism. So excuse me if I think he's a big & fat fucking liar.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51117547]Excuse me if I take the word of actual economic experts over a "media boss"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MarcusSmith;51117559]I didn't knew Media bosses were a replacement for economic experts.[/QUOTE] That's because we're (they're) tired of expert opinions!
karlosfandango's Brexit thread of the week continues to ignore the simple fact that Article 50 has not yet been invoked. I looked this man up and this "media boss" owns what is basically the German equivalent of The Sun. It's no wonder he's saying fundamentally the same thing as Rupert Murdoch.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;51117925][...] the German equivalent of The Sun. [...][/QUOTE] It's not. To my knowledge it's way worse. He doesn't actually own it though, only manages it (along with others).
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51117530]This fella should replace Merkel. [url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/german-media-boss-mathias-dopfner-says-uk-economy-will-grow-stronger-post-brexit-1583443[/url] [url]https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi-u-qhobDPAhWiOsAKHX38D_EQqQIIITAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2Fec53be7c-819d-11e6-bc52-0c7211ef3198&usg=AFQjCNHrvU_emCToQgloDF3USkiXvnJtEg&sig2=45F87lFh6w50M1kMWn-Dvg[/url][/QUOTE] Sure, why not replace the head of a country with someone you like, after reading two articles about him?
lalalalalala cant hear you, oh this media boss said the same thing as me, finally some PROOF! lalalalalalalala
There was a BBC article with some economic guy stating the UK should do a full brexit to achieve a better economy, but I can't find it.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;51117925]karlosfandango's Brexit thread of the week continues to ignore the simple fact that Article 50 has not yet been invoked. I looked this man up and this "media boss" owns what is basically the German equivalent of The Sun. It's no wonder he's saying fundamentally the same thing as Rupert Murdoch.[/QUOTE] It's the same with all sources at the moment. You can't even predict what'll happen yet, and you won't be able to at all until Article 50 is triggered. And then you have two years minimum of trade negotiations and all the other legal things such as EU policies (regulation & legislation) that we want to keep that have to be copied and enacted as our own (which parliament can debate and could block and as a result leave gaps in existing legislature) and during this time new EU policies that are made (which we can't oppose because we lose our say in EU matters because we're "leaving") also need to be looked at. And ultimately a lot of our trade that comes to us purely because we're in the EU will also need to be negotiated with with countries outside of the EU. The long and short of it is that we could easily come off worse, but we could come off better and stronger. And you simply can't predict it because we haven't even started Article 50 or the trade negotiations that go with it and because we haven't left yet our economy hasn't even felt any of the changes in taxation or prices of goods going up/down because [i]we're still in the EU[/i]. I hear too many people say "We're not in the EU anymore, see nothing has changed!"
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;51121207]but we could come off better and stronger."[/QUOTE] [I]How[/I] This is the one thing that has never been explained. [I]How[/I] are we going to get better deals with our major trading partners if we split from the EU? If we stick with the guys we've traded with for decades, we'll still be forced to take on a number of EU regulations with no wiggle room unlike now, but at least the trade will be regulated a quality control will exist. If we decide to be massive tosspots and abandon those trading partners, we're left with trading partners with questionable moral and ethical positions if we want anything of volume, and people we were already trading with anyway such as the USA having an easier time getting the cunts in power to implement anti-consumer trade laws easier. We'd lose a lot of consumer goods regulation that ensures we don't have lead in our toys or whatever the fuck with some of these trading partners too. We [I]can[/I] make predictions based on what we know of our time before the EU, and our time in the EU. We [I]can[/I] make predictions by looking at other countries and seeing how their interactions with trading partners outside of the EU are going. Saying "hurr durr not invoked can't predict" is a complete cop-out. (btw, the economy has been effected despite the lack of Article 50, the value of GBP has dropped considerably, and hasn't recovered still. If this is what not leaving can do, leaving is going to fucking kill our worth)
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51117530]This fella should replace Merkel. [url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/german-media-boss-mathias-dopfner-says-uk-economy-will-grow-stronger-post-brexit-1583443[/url] [url]https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi-u-qhobDPAhWiOsAKHX38D_EQqQIIITAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2Fec53be7c-819d-11e6-bc52-0c7211ef3198&usg=AFQjCNHrvU_emCToQgloDF3USkiXvnJtEg&sig2=45F87lFh6w50M1kMWn-Dvg[/url][/QUOTE] Just for the record: The British equivalent would be getting the manager of the Sun to be King of the British Empire.
[QUOTE=uber.;51126305]Just for the record: The British equivalent would be getting the manager of the Sun to be King of the British Empire.[/QUOTE] Just for the record if you are attempting comparisons don't bother with half arsed illogical ones.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51126353]Just for the record if you are attempting comparisons don't bother with half arsed illogical ones.[/QUOTE] lol what was your message in the op about then
[QUOTE=Saturn V;51126358]lol what was your message in the op about then[/QUOTE] It wasn't a comparison.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51123517][I]How[/I] This is the one thing that has never been explained. [I]How[/I] are we going to get better deals with our major trading partners if we split from the EU? If we stick with the guys we've traded with for decades, we'll still be forced to take on a number of EU regulations with no wiggle room unlike now, but at least the trade will be regulated a quality control will exist. If we decide to be massive tosspots and abandon those trading partners, we're left with trading partners with questionable moral and ethical positions if we want anything of volume, and people we were already trading with anyway such as the USA having an easier time getting the cunts in power to implement anti-consumer trade laws easier. We'd lose a lot of consumer goods regulation that ensures we don't have lead in our toys or whatever the fuck with some of these trading partners too. We [I]can[/I] make predictions based on what we know of our time before the EU, and our time in the EU. We [I]can[/I] make predictions by looking at other countries and seeing how their interactions with trading partners outside of the EU are going. Saying "hurr durr not invoked can't predict" is a complete cop-out. (btw, the economy has been effected despite the lack of Article 50, the value of GBP has dropped considerably, and hasn't recovered still. If this is what not leaving can do, leaving is going to fucking kill our worth)[/QUOTE] Growth predictions were also axed. People predicting better economy are citing free trade and increased globalisation as their reason. Ironic that many of the people who voted for brexit were opposed to globalisation. Duped! Free trade with other countries (aside from being a pain to negotiate) will mean loss of jobs, why would companies in the UK buy UK produced stuff when it can be made for cheaper elsewhere? We could slash our restrictions but then we can't have free trade with europe and it will mean worse conditions for our workers (Who voted for this mess!) and will mean we have worse quality products and potentially more pollution. It's lose lose. Nice one brexit clowns. The working class were tricked into voting for free market radicals who thoughts the Conservatives were too far left.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51126361]It wasn't a comparison.[/QUOTE] well it certainly wasn't not retarded
[QUOTE=Saturn V;51126370]well it certainly wasn't not retarded[/QUOTE] It was tongue in cheek but possible, whereas the comparison was not.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51126385]It was tongue in cheek but possible, whereas the comparison was not.[/QUOTE] what universe do you live in
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51126385]It was tongue in cheek but possible, whereas the comparison was not.[/QUOTE] but brexit will get us our empire back and then we will have a king and rule the waves again and no more EUrocrats being drunk and telling us what shape our bananas should be we take back control on independence day hail farage and the queen! It is possible an overwhelming majority of 52% voted for it and now its happening! Bring back the shilling and blue passport!
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51126368] Free trade with other countries will mean loss of jobs, why would companies in the UK buy UK produced stuff when it can be made for cheaper elsewhere? We could slash our restrictions but then we can't have free trade with europe and it will mean worse conditions for our workers (Who voted for this mess!) and will mean we have worse quality products and potentially more pollution. It's lose lose. Nice one brexit clowns. [/QUOTE] Please enlighten me on how this will happen only if we leave the EU?
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51126353]Just for the record if you are attempting comparisons don't bother with [B]half arsed illogical ones[/B].[/QUOTE] Says the guy who suggested Mathias Döpfner should be chancelor of Germany. Jesus Christ, man.
[QUOTE=uber.;51126406]Says the guy who suggested Mathias Döpfner should be chancelor of Germany. Jesus Christ, man.[/QUOTE] in their defense, it wasn't a comparison
[QUOTE=uber.;51126406]Says the guy who suggested Mathias Döpfner should be chancelor of Germany. Jesus Christ, man.[/QUOTE] I'm sure he wouldn't have fucked up as much as Merkel has.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51126414]I'm sure he wouldn't have fucked up as much as Merkel has.[/QUOTE] ah yes, the-run-of-the-mill merkel is worse than hitler argument
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51126399]but brexit will get us our empire back and then we will have a king and rule the waves again and no more EUrocrats being drunk and telling us what shape our bananas should be we take back control on independence day hail farage and the queen! It is possible an overwhelming majority of 52% voted for it and now its happening! Bring back the shilling and blue passport![/QUOTE] I only ever see this sort of thing being quoted by remainers? Are you suggesting this is how 17 million people think? You often make decent arguments for your beliefs bit on Brexit you need to step back and think about how you keep behaving when this subject comes up, you constantly come across as a butt mad, bad losing child.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51126414]I'm sure he wouldn't have fucked up as much as Merkel has.[/QUOTE] Since this is about economics: explain how Merkel fucked up.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51126414]I'm sure he wouldn't have fucked up as much as Merkel has.[/QUOTE] And how exactly did Merkel fuck up? And I don't mean the immensely flawed thatcheresque "lol, fuck poor people" style of government that she continued after Schröder, while heavily promoting low income jobs to disguse the unemployment rate. You probably mean that she supposedly did fuck up by actually doing one of the few decent things she did in her career, like dismissing an egocentric world view.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51126405]Please enlighten me on how this will happen only if we leave the EU?[/QUOTE] Because in the EU free trade standards and regulations are enforced blockwide - meaning undercutting is hard because they generally follow the same standards. Trade with external countries who may try to undercut us is subject to protective tariffs artificially making their products more expensive and keeping british/european(since we negotiate as a block) companies and industries competitive. The EU is protective to outside trade so bad deals like TTIP are blocked and they tried to increase protective tariffs on the cheap chinese steel, had those tariffs been successful european steel industry (Tata for example) would have been able to remain competative, sadly Cameron blocked the tariff increases so Tata along with other european steel suffered. If we stay in the EU then we keep the regulations and remain competitive - if other, growing, countries wish to free trade with us they'll have to adopt those standards and regulations too allowing our industry a look in to compete. If we leave the EU and try to go free trade everywhere then we have no protection and cheap [insert product here] will be sold to our companies for cheaper than we can produce it and we lose our industries. (or adopt a race to the bottom leading in shitty working conditions for workers and potentially more pollution) If we leave the EU and don't free trade with anyone then we are selling expensive goods made more expensive from tariffs - why would anyone buy our stuff? Because our still is somehow higher quality than that produced in Europe? If we leave the EU and keep free trade with Europe (and nations with similarly high standards/regulations) then we're in the same position as now only with no input on those regulations and less sovereignty than we have currently (EU: You will accept these new regulations and have no input on them. Don't like it? Enjoy your tariffs son). Best scenario is try to stay in EEA. But for that our dear tory friends in government need to convince the EU that they don't want free movement. All the while Farage is still paying the occasional visit to EU Parliament to bark at french people.
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