• Riot Patents Spectator Mode
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[url]http://www.gamebreaker.tv/news/riot-games-patents-spectator-mode/[/url] Actual Patent link: [url]http://www.google.com/patents/US8636589[/url] [QUOTE]Riot Games has been granted a patent for “systems and methods that enable a spectator’s experience for online active games” by the US Patent office. Redditor Esports-Patent-Atty — who adds he is indeed a patent attorney — shared a document of the approved patent on r/leagueoflegends noting the following things: [QUOTE] The patent appears to cover the way self-moving cameras work in spectator mode. The patent prevents others from calculating “interest values” around champions or moving the camera based on them. Riot has three more pending patent applications, two in the US and and one worldwide. Riot has applications int he works for Tribunal and Matchmaking.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
i don't know how they could possibly enforce this
how about not doing that at all
What? God damn it. The patent office needs non-old people in it or something.
I think it means they are patenting the EXACT angle height pitch etc. of the camera used in LoL. Just to make sure nothing can ever look quite like it.
[QUOTE=peabrain101;43805226]I think it means they are patenting the EXACT angle height pitch etc. of the camera used in LoL. Just to make sure nothing can ever look quite like it.[/QUOTE] [quote]The patent appears to cover the way self-moving cameras work in spectator mode.[/quote] The camera automatically moves to whatever it thinks will be the most interesting thing currently happening.
[QUOTE=Adnap;43805268]The camera automatically moves to whatever it thinks will be the most interesting thing currently happening.[/QUOTE] So like HLTV/SourceTV auto-director?
prior art? [editline]6th February 2014[/editline] let's be honest, there's a shit ton of prior art
[QUOTE=SteveUK;43805348]So like HLTV/SourceTV auto-director?[/QUOTE] Pretty much, yeah
Too bad your spectator mode is absolute dog shit, riot.
Sounds fucking dumb considering the concept has been around since eSports began, and the view angle is even older (like original RTSs used this sort of angle) - how you can even patent something that's so obvious is completely ridiculous. LoL itself isn't an original concept and they should be thanking themselves that people even play it (when there's superior games that do the concept better). It's just completely out of control that they could even possibly think of doing this. Anyone who tries to enforce a patent of this nature is a bonafide douchebag, and should probably be imprisoned for being such a total and utterly despicable cunt. I actually wish Blizzard could find some clause in their licensing that somehow makes LoL cease to exist. The people who made it are obviously complete scumbags.
and so it begins.
I don't get how they got this, plenty of games did this before LoL did
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43805423]Sounds fucking dumb considering the concept has been around since eSports began, and the view angle is even older (like original RTSs used this sort of angle) - how you can even patent something that's so obvious is completely ridiculous. LoL itself isn't an original concept and they should be thanking themselves that people even play it (when there's superior games that do the concept better). It's just completely out of control that they could even possibly think of doing this. Anyone who tries to enforce a patent of this nature is a bonafide douchebag, and should probably be imprisoned for being such a total and utterly despicable cunt. I actually wish Blizzard could find some clause in their licensing that somehow makes LoL cease to exist. The people who made it are obviously complete scumbags.[/QUOTE] And yes I know it says 'the way the camera' moves but that's beside the point. Still a complete scumbag manoeuvre by proven money-grabbers.
is it that bad though? they aren't doing a massive patent grab trying to do something horrible and vague, isn't this a fairly specific patent to what exactly they're doing with their client and program
[QUOTE=The Party Spy;43805411]Too bad your spectator mode is absolute dog shit, riot.[/QUOTE] It's actually pretty solid, although it does suffer from a lack of features.
I'm going to patent "first person character perspective"
Dota 2 has had this since 2011.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43805482]is it that bad though? they aren't doing a massive patent grab trying to do something horrible and vague, isn't this a fairly specific patent to what exactly they're doing with their client and program[/QUOTE] Riot also copyrighted the name DOTA back in the day. Blizzard stepped in and said 'nope' and it got transferred to them, and then to Steam on the condition that they changed some of the names and didn't use the artwork. AKA Riot are probably scumbags. Their interpretation of DotA is really shitty too, and I actually don't know why anyone plays it.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43805561]Riot also copyrighted the name DOTA back in the day. Blizzard stepped in and said 'nope' and it got transferred to them, and then to Steam on the condition that they changed some of the names and didn't use the artwork. AKA Riot are probably scumbags. Their interpretation of DotA is really shitty too, and I actually don't know why anyone plays it.[/QUOTE] the dota thing is douchebaggy sure but are you really able to objectively claim one games interpenetration of a genre is just flat out bad because you think it is?
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43805561] Their interpretation of DotA is really shitty too, and I actually don't know why anyone plays it.[/QUOTE] Tastes and preference for simplicity, yadda yadda yadda.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43805576]the dota thing is douchebaggy sure but are you really able to objectively claim one games interpenetration of a genre is just flat out bad because you think it is?[/QUOTE] Nope that's my opinion. My opinion is that LoL is a bad game and I'd recommend people stay away from it.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43805590]Nope that's my opinion. My opinion is that LoL is a bad game and I'd recommend people stay away from it.[/QUOTE] But you pretty much went "LoL is shit why are people even playing it" which may be your opinion but it's a really dickish, condescending way to express it.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43805561]Riot also copyrighted the name DOTA back in the day. Blizzard stepped in and said 'nope' and it got transferred to them, and then to Steam on the condition that they changed some of the names and didn't use the artwork. AKA Riot are probably scumbags. Their interpretation of DotA is really shitty too, and I actually don't know why anyone plays it.[/QUOTE] They do have some claim to it though given that the original creator of dota allstars works at Riot. Since he left it to icefrog though it should probably stay with him.
[QUOTE=Elspin;43805605]They do have some claim to it though given that the original creator of dota allstars works at Riot. Since he left it to icefrog though it should probably stay with him.[/QUOTE] Wrong. Eul, the first creator of the map, has worked at Valve since TF2. IceFrog, the guy who updated the map since 2007(?) and is the reason it's a competitive e-Sport, is working at Valve on Dota 2. Guinsoo was the middle man between Eul and IceFrog and his version was considered "fun" but seriously unbalanced and broken.
The whole claims on the DotA copyright are all retarded anyway because the original game was a mod, it wasn't sold and there was no business model attached to it whatsoever. Which is pretty much exactly the argument people used when Valve started working on DotA 2 and Blizzard decided to be dicks about it and pretended to somehow have authority over a community-driven mod for Warcraft 3. Honestly Blizzard and Riot are both cunts when it comes to the whole moba/dota thing. Both have this tendency of not treating their playerbase not nearly as well as they ought to be.
[QUOTE=Banned?;43805624]Wrong. Eul, the first creator of the map, has worked at Valve since TF2. IceFrog, the guy who updated the map since 2007(?) and is the reason it's a competitive e-Sport, is working at Valve on Dota 2. Guinsoo was the middle mad between Eul and IceFrog and his version was considered "fun" but seriously unbalanced and broken.[/QUOTE] I said dota allstars, the original dota (which like maybe less than 1% of people have played) was indeed Eul. I didn't know Eul worked at valve though, that does change things. Either way Guinsoo added a lot of the things that ended up defining the MOBA genre
It's more that when you see patent involvement and manipulation it sorta hints at something more sinister. Like, let's say theoretically:- Riot got the patent to the concept of a MOBA, despite other ones having previously existed. Then they started vehemently tackling anyone who tried to do anything with a MOBA, whether that be improving the concept, making a derivate or even mixing it with other genres - effectively forcing everyone who wanted to play a MOBA into playing their version. That would be an entirely unacceptable practice in my eyes, completely stifling a genre for the sake of the money. Imagine if Valve had pulled that shit on anyone who tried to make mods. Or anyone who used a 'buy menu' like Counter-Strike had. Or worse still, anyone who tried to digitally distribute games. But they don't, and to my knowledge they never have. If they were a public company this would likely be a different story, because it'd be purely in the interest of maximising profit - but Gabe isn't a money-grabber, and so private it remains. The question is:- Would Riot games carry out these patent-actions? If they were granted any such patents? My answer is Yes. They would. Absolutely. Based on their recent actions in invoking patent involvement, I'd say they would certainly do just that. Purely for the sake of obvious greed. They've proved themselves to be too immature and greedy to hold any patents. Does that make them a contemptible company? Once again, it's a yes from me.
I thought someone patented a camera that lets you spectate riots. That would be cool.
This is for a patent where the spectator mode gauges areas/characters by "what's the most interesting thing currently on the battlefield" and the camera switches to that, it doesn't sound that bad at all. Still, it's a shit patent. That kind of stuff would be necessary if anyone makes some 200-player game that's designed to be watched, going through players by any other order would be tedious.
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