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[b](PhysOrg.com) -- It has just been decided that CERN will run for the next two years without a break. The Higgs could be within reach sooner than previously thought so all researchers are keen to continue the experiments in the LHC accelerator. [/b]
The Higgs is the particle that physicists are looking for with the experiments in the 27 km long subterranean particle accelerator at CERN. According to the theories the Higgs particle gives all things mass and for decades researchers have been hunting for this particle, which is needed to describe the structure of nature.
The plan was that the experiments would continue through all of 2011 at an energy of 7 TeV (1 TeV is 1000 billion electron Volts) and then be shut down in 2012 to upgrade to full energy of 14 TeV.
"But now the Higgs is lying in wait and we may find it by running for a year at ’low’ energy, so we are going to try", explains particle physicist Rasmus Mackeprang, who has just received the news from the annual meeting in Chamonix, where CERN's leadership and researchers are taking stock and planning the course for the coming year.
The detailed plan also tells us that there will be more ‘proton packs’ in the accelerator. This increases the chances of a collision, where you can ‘smash’ the protons and get a look into the quark’s universe, where the Higgs is presumed to exist.
[url=http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-01-cern-higgs.html]Source[/url]
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;27983641]Why the fuck did I remember of Mass Effect[/QUOTE]
Because if we can understand how to manipulate the higgs boson, much like the electron, we would be able to manipulate mass itself. Just like the mass effect described in the codex in the game mass effect.
My first thought was that a "Professor Higgs" had gotten lost in the CERN facility :v:
My initial Thoughts were Higs, as in Helghast.
Racists, WE RISE ABOVE ALL.
I doubt they'll find anything of use.
[QUOTE=BAZ;27983675]Because if we can understand how to manipulate the higgs boson, much like the electron, we would be able to manipulate mass itself. Just like the mass effect described in the codex in the game mass effect.[/QUOTE]
gog
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
also it says it'll be shut down in 2012
take that conspiracy nutters
[QUOTE=Pepin;27984568]I doubt they'll find anything of use.[/QUOTE]
If they don't find anything, they'll know not to do the exact same thing again, expecting result.
That's a pretty useful find.
[QUOTE=BAZ;27983675]Because if we can understand how to manipulate the higgs boson, much like the electron, we would be able to manipulate mass itself. Just like the mass effect described in the codex in the game mass effect.[/QUOTE]
But sadly, the "Mass Effect" of Mass Effect is nothing comparable to anything in real life. If and only if the Higgs Boson exists and if and only if we figure out how to manipulate it in the far future, it would only allow reducing the mass of particles, which allows acceleration [i]near[/i] light-speed with less energy-consumption for the acceleration. But since nothing is "free" in the universe, the energy saved there will be used many-times on a "higgs-field-manipulator" to reduce the mass.
[QUOTE=aVoN;27986235]But sadly, the "Mass Effect" of Mass Effect is nothing comparable to anything in real life..[/QUOTE]
What? Something out of a game isn't like in real life? Quit trolling!
[QUOTE=aVoN;27986235]But sadly, the "Mass Effect" of Mass Effect is nothing comparable to anything in real life. If and only if the Higgs Boson exists and if and only if we figure out how to manipulate it in the far future, it would only allow reducing the mass of particles, which allows acceleration [i]near[/i] light-speed with less energy-consumption for the acceleration. But since nothing is "free" in the universe, the energy saved there will be used many-times on a "higgs-field-manipulator" to reduce the mass.[/QUOTE]
Not to turn this into a Mass Effect discussion or anything, but I don't think they truly understand how Mass Effect technology works in Mass Effect. Like Vigil said in ME1 the Protheans only JUST managed to work out how Mass Relays worked. So I don't think it's as simple as 'reduce mass of ship' even though the Codex says that (unless 'reduce mass' means... 'reduce past 0 until it's negative').
They know what the Mass Relays do, but not how they work. They create a Mass Effect field around the ship which allows it to travel at FTL speeds.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Higgs doesn't exist, just like scientists thought the ether existed.
[QUOTE=noobcake;27984909]gog
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
also it says it'll be shut down in 2012
take that conspiracy nutters[/QUOTE]
They're shutting it down so they can upgrade their power to double the voltage
[QUOTE=aVoN;27986235]But sadly, the "Mass Effect" of Mass Effect is nothing comparable to anything in real life. If and only if the Higgs Boson exists and if and only if we figure out how to manipulate it in the far future, it would only allow reducing the mass of particles, which allows acceleration [i]near[/i] light-speed with less energy-consumption for the acceleration. But since nothing is "free" in the universe, the energy saved there will be used many-times on a "higgs-field-manipulator" to reduce the mass.[/QUOTE]
So the overall energy expendeture on reducing the mass of an object to almost nothing and then accelerating it to near light speed would use the exact same amount of energy as just accelerating the object to near light speed in the first place.
Damn.
[QUOTE=sltungle;27986430]Not to turn this into a Mass Effect discussion or anything, but I don't think they truly understand how Mass Effect technology works in Mass Effect. Like Vigil said in ME1 the Protheans only JUST managed to work out how Mass Relays worked. So I don't think it's as simple as 'reduce mass of ship' even though the Codex says that (unless 'reduce mass' means... 'reduce past 0 until it's negative').[/QUOTE]
Even "negative mass" wouldn't solve the speed-of-light barrier problem.
[list]
[*]Real mass: Only below speed of light
[*]Zero Mass: Only at speed of light
[*]Imaginary Mass: Only above speed of light
[/list]
The barrier still does exist, no matter what you do. That's why I said that a "mass effect" how it is described in the game does not make any sense in the real world. Anyway, it's a game.
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[QUOTE=Randdalf;27986588]They know what the Mass Relays do, but not how they work. They create a Mass Effect field around the ship which allows it to travel at FTL speeds.[/QUOTE]
Yep, and Mass Effect relays were just way more efficient than normal Mass Effect FTL drives in ships.
[editline]11th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;27986763]They're shutting it down so they can upgrade their power to double the voltage[/QUOTE]
Double the energy. eV (electron times volts = Joule) is a measure of energy.
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[QUOTE=Jookia;27986742]I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Higgs doesn't exist, just like scientists thought the ether existed.[/QUOTE]
If the higgs-boson does not exist (which is quite unlikely), the standard-model of particle physics has to be replaced by a better theory. But the thing is, the standard-model is so very good confirmed yet that it's unlikely to be wrong. (Even predictions of the higg's mass are made)
Anyway, the quest for the higgs boson is exactly to show it's existance or non-existance. Either result will lead to promising new science.
[editline]11th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jallen;27986798]So the overall energy expendeture on reducing the mass of an object to almost nothing and then accelerating it to near light speed would use the exact same amount of energy as just accelerating the object to near light speed in the first place.
Damn.[/QUOTE]
I'd say so, because all I learned and experienced so far in physics is, that there is no free breakfast (energy for free). If you'd be able to manipulate a particles mass, accelerate it to light speed using lesser energy and increase it's mass again and get back the now greater energy (due to higher mass) would violate this. So it's more likely, if any possible, that the energy required for a hypothetical device to lower the mass of an object is at least at the scale or times above the one you would save at the acceleration.
[QUOTE=Randdalf;27986588]They know what the Mass Relays do, but not how they work. They create a Mass Effect field around the ship which allows it to travel at FTL speeds.[/QUOTE]
No they don't
Mass Relay create a mass free tunnel between point A and B, which allows instant traveling
Mass Effect drives 'just' reduces the mass of a ship which allows it to travel faster than light
[QUOTE=Haxxer;27987138]No they don't
Mass Relay create a mass free tunnel between point A and B, which allows instant traveling
Mass Effect drives 'just' reduces the mass of a ship which allows it to travel faster than light[/QUOTE]
[quote]a mass free tunnel[/quote]
*blink*
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[QUOTE=Contag;27987636]*blink*[/QUOTE]
It's a game you idiot!
[QUOTE=Contag;27987636]It's a game you idiot![/QUOTE]
So? He posted something that wasn't correct, shouldn't you correct him?
Ugh sooo many years to wait, results in a few years should be great though!
Anyways Mass effect technology only works with element zero, and there's no such thing in real life (that we know of anyway) so it's quite pointless to compare
[QUOTE=DrBreen;27989494]Anyways Mass effect technology only works with element zero, and there's no such thing in real life (that we know of anyway) so it's quite pointless to compare[/QUOTE]
"Element Zero" (no proton or neutron):
[list]
[*]Myonium
[*]Positronium
[*]...
[/list]
[QUOTE=DrBreen;27989494]Anyways Mass effect technology only works with element zero, and there's no such thing in real life (that we know of anyway) so it's quite pointless to compare[/QUOTE]
Guys can we just let aVoN do the science-talking, please.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;27989800]Guys can we just let aVoN do the science-talking, please.[/QUOTE]
Or yourself, right? aVoN and you always came off as two of the most intelligent, and scientifically informed (at least in the area of physics) people on Facepunch.
[QUOTE=sltungle;27989908]Or yourself, right? aVoN and you always came off as two of the most intelligent, and scientifically informed (at least in the area of physics) people on Facepunch.[/QUOTE]
Well, aVoN is the one with the actual physics degree at the moment, even though others are studying it.
This thread is about mass effect.
On Topic: I thought they already found it; did I read something wrong?
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;27991336]This thread is about mass effect.
On Topic: I thought they already found it; did I read something wrong?[/QUOTE]
The title says "CERN [u][b]CONTINUES[/u][/b] THE HUNT FOR THE HIGGS"
What makes you think they found it?
With near-the-speed-of-light travel we'd possibly have in the future, how many years it would take a ship to reach the closest solar system?
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as just going from point A to B accelerating as much as possible without the (what the term was again) turning around and starting to decelerate
Well the nearest stars are about 4 lght years away.
Epsilon eridani has got at least 2 planets and is about 10 light years away. so at least 10 years.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;27990143]Well, aVoN is the one with the actual physics degree at the moment, even though others are studying it.[/QUOTE]
Every physics thread is just aVon posting something informative, and correcting wrong people.
[QUOTE=aVoN;27989634]"Element Zero" (no proton or neutron):
[list]
[*]Myonium
[*]Positronium
[*]...
[/list][/QUOTE]
And do those elements have the same properties as eezo?
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