Apple bans iFixit developer account (and associated app) after Apple TV teardown, claims actions wer
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[url]http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/30/apple-bans-ifixit-developer-account-apple-tv/[/url]
[quote=MacRumors]After the new fourth-generation Apple TV was announced on September 9, Apple provided developers with Apple TV Dev Kits to be used to create tvOS apps for the device. Teardown site iFixit took apart one of those Apple TV units meant for developers and has now run into some repercussions for doing so.
According to a post on the iFixit blog, the teardown, which unveiled all of the internal components of the new Apple TV, violated Apple's terms and conditions. As a result, iFixit's developer account was banned, leading to the removal of the iFixit app from the App Store.
iFixit's Apple TV unit was sent directly from Apple with the same restrictions placed on Apple TV units sent to other developers, but iFixit ignored the fine print. "We weighed the risks, blithely tossed those risks over our shoulder, and tore down the Apple TV anyway," reads the blog post.[/quote]
"Please don't reverse engineer or look inside our products." What a load of shit. If people want to tinker and learn about products, they should have the right to do so without repercussions.
[QUOTE=code_gs;48799919]"Please don't reverse engineer or look inside our products." What a load of shit. If people want to tinker and learn about products, they should have the right to do so without repercussions.[/QUOTE]
that's not really what the issue is. these guys signed something not allowing them to take apart their dev kit shit. they did it anyway and these are the consequences. violating non disclosure stuff has these kind of effects
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;48799929]that's not really what the issue is. these guys signed something not allowing them to take apart their dev kit shit. they did it anyway and these are the consequences. violating non disclosure stuff has these kind of effects[/QUOTE]
Then why are they dodging the fact that the NDA exists by pointing to the generic TOS instead of saying "you violated this clause of the NDA that really shouldn't be legal but is anyway" up front?
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;48799929]that's not really what the issue is. these guys signed something not allowing them to take apart their dev kit shit. they did it anyway and these are the consequences. violating non disclosure stuff has these kind of effects[/QUOTE]
Although I agree that Apple may have taken the proper steps on the legal response, I believe that the problem still resides in the contract that devs had to sign in order to receive the kit.
reverse engineering is 100% legal
NDAs goals are to prevent you from disclosing such details(often tied into noncompetes and whatnot)
They agreed to a contract for them to receive the device and immediately violated it, can't blame Apple at all.
If they went out and bought it off a store shelf then it would be a different story, they didn't.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;48800246]reverse engineering is 100% legal
NDAs goals are to prevent you from disclosing such details(often tied into noncompetes and whatnot)[/QUOTE]
This isnt even reverse engineering, this is just taking it out of its case.
Dev kits are usually pre-release correct? If this is the case, I think Apple are in the right. I love reading iFixit's teardowns but they really should honour any NDAs they sign as a matter of trust.
This is basically just a product leak.
I'm never opposed to someone breaking an NDA.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48801230]I'm never opposed to someone breaking an NDA.[/QUOTE]
why
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48801230]I'm never opposed to someone breaking an NDA.[/QUOTE]
NDAs exist because companies have a right to not want proprietary, sensitive information about their products to be leaked, allowing competitors a chance to copy that data.
Technically speaking, a lot of things become legal if you sign a document from apple telling you that in order to have access to X, you need to follow Y rules, or suffer Z consequences. Following the NDA is following the law. Advocating to break an NDA is advocating to break the law, and i feel no sympathy for anyone who breaks an NDA despite being aware of the consequences.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;48800246]reverse engineering is 100% legal
NDAs goals are to prevent you from disclosing such details(often tied into noncompetes and whatnot)[/QUOTE]
I agree, if the product is in stores for regular consumers to buy. Which this isnt yet.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48801230]I'm never opposed to someone breaking an NDA.[/QUOTE]
Me either, it's selfish but I get to see everything before it's supposed to come out...
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48801253]NDAs exist because companies have a right to not want proprietary, sensitive information about their products to be leaked, allowing competitors a chance to copy that data.
Technically speaking, a lot of things become legal if you sign a document from apple telling you that in order to have access to X, you need to follow Y rules, or suffer Z consequences. Following the NDA is following the law. Advocating to break an NDA is advocating to break the law, and i feel no sympathy for anyone who breaks an NDA despite being aware of the consequences.[/QUOTE]
Ndas aren't law, they're at best a contract
They did mention that the app was broken and had iOS 4-era code…
[QUOTE=Sableye;48804492]Ndas aren't law, they're at best a contract[/QUOTE]
Contract law is a thing
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48801253]NDAs exist because companies have a right to not want proprietary, sensitive information about their products to be leaked, allowing competitors a chance to copy that data.
Technically speaking, a lot of things become legal if you sign a document from apple telling you that in order to have access to X, you need to follow Y rules, or suffer Z consequences. Following the NDA is following the law. Advocating to break an NDA is advocating to break the law, and i feel no sympathy for anyone who breaks an NDA despite being aware of the consequences.[/QUOTE]
NDAs are also used to hush up employees who find out about shit like money laundering and chemical spills.
Sooo..
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Its one of the reasons why corporate employees try so hard to avoid whistleblowing because they can get sued out the ass for releasing any documents and are found out.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48826431]NDAs are also used to hush up employees who find out about shit like money laundering and chemical spills.
Sooo..
[editline]4th October 2015[/editline]
Its one of the reasons why corporate employees try so hard to avoid whistleblowing because they can get sued out the ass for releasing any documents and are found out.[/QUOTE]
Yes all businesses that use NDA's are super evil.
Especially my start up small business we are a money laundering firm and use NDAs not to keep ideas and operations secret, but to cover up our spooky corporate misconduct!
Really man.
why couldn't they do this after the NDA or was this a permanent NDA?
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