• Fascist government prevents republican from getting the medical care he deserves
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Source: [URL="http://gawker.com/man-who-would-rather-go-blind-than-get-obamacare-now-go-1704019495"]http://gawker.com/man-who-would-rather-go-blind-than-get-obamacare-now-go-1704019495[/URL] [thumb]http://xxx.freeimage.us/image.php?id=5141_555284C5[/thumb] [QUOTE]Who should save the sight of an uninsured South Carolina man who can’t afford eye surgery? That’s the question the Charlotte Observer asks in a story about a 49-year-old Republican who declined to sign up for Obamacare because he “prided himself on paying his own medical bills,” and is now upset that the Affordable Care Act won’t bail him out.[/QUOTE] I guess you could say that he didn't see it coming :quagmire:
Wait, it gets better [QUOTE=The Charlotte Observer]Lang, a Republican, says he knew the act required him to get coverage, but he chose not to do so. But he thought help would be available in an emergency. He and his wife blame President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats for passing a complex and flawed bill. “(My husband) should be at the front of the line, because he doesn’t work and because he has medical issues,” Mary Lang said last week. “We call it the Not Fair Health Care Act.”[/QUOTE] [editline]13th May 2015[/editline] [URL="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/health-care/health-care-challenge-blog/article20696283.html"]Wait, it gets better[/URL] [quote=The Charlotte Observer] Lang, a Republican, says he knew the act required him to get coverage, but he chose not to do so. But he thought help would be available in an emergency. He and his wife blame President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats for passing a complex and flawed bill. “(My husband) should be at the front of the line, because he doesn’t work and because he has medical issues,” Mary Lang said last week. “We call it the Not Fair Health Care Act.”[/quote]
I have an aunt and uncle who are super staunch conservatives, and their daughter had a psychotic break and they were dreading the medical bills that were about to come, then realized it came at a reduced rate because of the ACA
Americans love to hate public health insurance and call Obama a communist, socialist, fascist or *insert any system that isnt capitalism here* until they get sick.
Having insurance is good and all, but public health care should exists as well. Full coverage, not part of any program. Of course, this requires HEAVY investments.
[url]http://www.gofundme.com/s78e9w[/url] Jesus fuck the comments on that gofundme page. They're shredding him alive. Deservedly so, but godDAMN. [quote]Eric Clark 221221 1 day ago I've donated to several idiot Republicans here on GoFundMe who were too pig headed to go out and buy health care then subsequently faced life changing health issues because I felt it was the right thing to do. But not any more. I have had it. SCREW YOU, REAP WHAT YOU SOW. Doesn't seem to me going blind should be a real problem for you. You were pretty blind about the issues people faced that prompted the need for affordable health care in the first place. Think of it as God's judgement to you for living your life with blinders on.[/quote] [quote]Maureen Vail 428428 1 day ago If only there was some type of program that would allow people to pay money into a pool even if they were healthy so that if the time ever came when they would need it, they would not have to worry about losing evetrything they worked for. Maybe they could even have a preexisting condition and not have to worry about it being covered. Oh, and if they couldn't afford the premium, maybe the state they live in could expand medicaid so it it can help them afford it. A subsidy, if you will. If that was offered by the Federal Government to states it would be CRAZY for the states to deny that to their citizens. Yeah, if only.[/quote] [quote]Ed Gruberman 589589 23 hours ago I want to donate enough to really help you out, but I can't figure out how to get GoFundMe to accept bootstraps [/quote]
So dude refuses to sign up during open enrollment then bitches to the paper that he cannot sign up after the 4 month enrollment period has long since ended...........is this a contender for a Darwin award?
[QUOTE=T553412;47716200] [URL="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/health-care/health-care-challenge-blog/article20696283.html"]Wait, it gets better[/URL][/QUOTE] I fucking love people who say "but I don't need health insurance, I am healthy!" That's not how health insurance fucking works It's the POINT that the healthy people pay it too, and if they get ill and need a million dollar surgery, it's going to get covered from the insurance of the other healthy people. If everyone only got healthcare if they got ill, what black magic would summon the money to pay for the treatment?
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;47716591][url]http://www.gofundme.com/s78e9w[/url] Jesus fuck the comments on that gofundme page. They're shredding him alive. Deservedly so, but godDAMN.[/QUOTE] Obummer is bad until you need his handouts, huh?
I don't get why the US never implemented a universal healthcare service altogether and have it funded it via taxes, I'm sure they can give up a tiny percentage of their military budget/something else that isn't entirely essential if it means that people can get access to healthcare without bankrupting themselves due to greedy insurance companies and so on. This wouldn't be a problem in the first place if it wasn't due to that.
If we bail him out he might become dependent.
[QUOTE=Buck.;47716276][B]Americans[/B] love to hate public health insurance and call Obama a communist, socialist, fascist or *insert any system that isnt capitalism here* until they get sick.[/QUOTE] Don't even go there, dude. The media typically reports on people who don't like public health insurance. But every person I have talked to, even conservatives in the US, are for universal care. Just because a few don't like it doesn't mean you have to put all of us on the same ship.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;47717537]I don't get why the US never implemented a universal healthcare service altogether and fund it via taxes, [b]I'm sure they can give up a tiny percentage of their military budget[/b]/something else that isn't entirely essential if it means that people can get access to healthcare without bankrupting themselves due to greedy insurance companies and so on. This wouldn't be a problem in the first place if it wasn't due to that.[/QUOTE] That right there is where the plan falls apart. The DoD has contracts with Lockheed and Boeing to the point where they're not even sure whose dick to suck at this point, on top of various other defense contracts. And as soon as they make any cuts to spending, it doesn't get cut there, they usually end up cutting vets benefits and pensions for our own damned troops who likely only signed up so they could afford to go to college.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;47717537]I don't get why the US never implemented a universal healthcare service altogether and fund it via taxes, I'm sure they can give up a tiny percentage of their military budget/something else that isn't entirely essential if it means that people can get access to healthcare without bankrupting themselves due to greedy insurance companies and so on. This wouldn't be a problem in the first place if it wasn't due to that.[/QUOTE] because its socialism and cold war propaganda has really fucked with our minds
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47717887]because its socialism and cold war propaganda has really fucked with our minds[/QUOTE] Pure capitalism is the best way to do anything! If you make health care public, it's just going to motivate people to not even [I]try[/I] to not get sick! And they'll kill off the old people! And ruin jobs! What about the poor insurance companies who deny people's claims for bullshit reasons, and have a tendency to automatically dismiss certain claims until the person whines for long enough, even if that claim is perfectly valid? When will those poor souls ever get a break? Seriously though, it's because people buy into what politicians say, and politicians get lobbied by big companies to do what big companies want. As well as that lingering "oh my god the government paid for something to help someone, they're going to send us all to the gulags next week!"
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;47717537]I don't get why the US never implemented a universal healthcare service altogether and have it funded it via taxes, I'm sure they can give up a tiny percentage of their military budget/something else that isn't entirely essential if it means that people can get access to healthcare without bankrupting themselves due to greedy insurance companies and so on. This wouldn't be a problem in the first place if it wasn't due to that.[/QUOTE] It would kill insurance companies. Pretty much the only time we could have done this was like after ww2 when the rest of Europe did theirs and private insurance was not a hundred billion dollar industry, today there's way too much money being made off sick people to stop
Seems that a lot of right-wing Americans really like the benefits of socialism until you tell them it's socialism, then they act irrational.
[QUOTE=Last or First;47717963]Seriously though, it's because people buy into what politicians say, and politicians get lobbied by big companies to do what big companies want. [B]As well as that lingering "oh my god the government paid for something to help someone, they're going to send us all to the gulags next week!"[/B][/QUOTE] The funny thing is that similar arguments (along with people having a general laisez-faire attitude) popped up around the time we first introduced free healthcare over here, around the 1920s-40s.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;47717537]I don't get why the US never implemented a universal healthcare service altogether and have it funded it via taxes, I'm sure they can give up a tiny percentage of their military budget/something else that isn't entirely essential if it means that people can get access to healthcare without bankrupting themselves due to greedy insurance companies and so on. This wouldn't be a problem in the first place if it wasn't due to that.[/QUOTE] I've said this for ages now. If they had just cut the F35 program, and diverted all $400 billion dollars towards upgrading legacy fighters, education, and funding public health care, literally everything would be better. [editline]13th May 2015[/editline] But they will never do that because muh joint strike fighter
jesus, you fucking people are something else. yeah, the guy has dumb views that he chose to follow which got him here but he might lose his fucking sight. give your heads a shake.
[quote]“(My husband) should be at the front of the line, because he doesn’t work and because he has medical issues.”[/quote] I think it should be the opposite. People who don't work should have lowest priority as they bring nothing to the economy at all.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;47718307]jesus, you fucking people are something else. yeah, the guy has dumb views that he chose to follow which got him here but he might lose his fucking sight. give your heads a shake.[/QUOTE] Sure I have sympathy for the guy, but only so much. People like him have usually espoused views that you should be on your own and should have to fend for yourself and solve your own problems. There is palpable irony here and it's hard to ignore that just to be sympathetic with a person who's put themselves in this position. But yes, it's sad.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;47718307]jesus, you fucking people are something else. yeah, the guy has dumb views that he chose to follow which got him here but he might lose his fucking sight. give your heads a shake.[/QUOTE] These dumb views have caused entire states to forego even participating in the ACA, causing millions of people to go without insurance where they would've otherwise qualified it. What about them and their needs? They didn't get to make a decision; this dumbass voluntarily opted out, and now he's finally facing the consequences. And he's a diabetic, health issues as you age should be practically expected, but no, pride before actually thinking things through. At what point do people have to take responsibility for their actions? This guy is only a couple steps smarter than the kind of idiot who tries to pull a tooth out himself because he knows better than the snooty big-city dentist that'll charge him out the ass, and then he ends up with triple the costs to fix the unsanitary butcher job he does to his own mouth instead of getting the help of a professional at regular price. I hope the guy saves his eyesight, but he's made it unnecessarily difficult for himself and he has no one else to blame. I mean, fuck, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ant_and_the_Grasshopper"]this lesson is literally an Aesop fable[/URL] -- if you don't work during the good times to prepare during the bad times, you get to suffer the full brunt of the consequences when those bad times inevitably come.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;47718307]jesus, you fucking people are something else. yeah, the guy has dumb views that he chose to follow which got him here but he might lose his fucking sight. give your heads a shake.[/QUOTE] So I should feel bad for him? Is that what youre saying? I should feel bad because he knowingly and willfully made decisions when directly lead to this? I'm not shaking a damn thing. He knew exactly what was going to happen and to no one's surprise, did.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;47718307]jesus, you fucking people are something else. yeah, the guy has dumb views that he chose to follow which got him here but he might lose his fucking sight. give your heads a shake.[/QUOTE] I do not feel bad for him at all. Tough shit, people make mistakes every day that they have to live with. His was out of outright ignorance.
[QUOTE=Sableye;47718079]It would kill insurance companies. Pretty much the only time we could have done this was like after ww2 when the rest of Europe did theirs and private insurance was not a hundred billion dollar industry, today there's way too much money being made off sick people to stop[/QUOTE]another time it could have been done was while we had teddy Roosevelt (or possibly Taft as well) as presidents, as they weren't against that kind of thing AFAIK.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;47718307]jesus, you fucking people are something else. yeah, the guy has dumb views that he chose to follow which got him here but he might lose his fucking sight. give your heads a shake.[/QUOTE] I actually experienced the same condition he currently has, a retinal detachment, which caused me to slowly start losing vision in one eye before it was diagnosed. I underwent surgery, which involved stitching a silicone band to my eyeball, and then sat in the dark in excruciating pain for the next three days. I wore an eyepatch for three months as the muscles of my eye refused to work correctly, giving me stabbing pain every time the eyeball moved, only slowly healing to the point where I could see again. The white of my eye is now permanently pinkish-red and bloodshot and the blind spots will likely never heal. So yeah, having been through that nightmare, I have sympathy for his condition. But I was lucky in that I had healthcare to cover my expenses. People go blind because they can't afford the treatment, and when the government steps in to provide a solution offered in pretty much every modern country on the planet, it's guys like him who oppose it. Now when he finds himself getting screwed over by the system he supported, and is begging for a handout of exactly the type his ilk look down on, do I have much sympathy for his situation? Nope. Not really. He and people like him are the reason our healthcare is such a mess, and now he's experiencing the results of his beliefs firsthand. You reap what you sow.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;47718307]jesus, you fucking people are something else. yeah, the guy has dumb views that he chose to follow which got him here but he might lose his fucking sight. give your heads a shake.[/QUOTE] How about no? I'm tired of this mentality. You shouldn't feel sympathy for this kind of person. They'll take advantage of your kindness and will not learn a lesson. He's an idiot who got himself into this mess in the first place. He doesn't take care of himself despite having diabetes and mini-strokes (by his own admission, retinal detachment and blindness aside; he even continues to smoke), he and his wife both knew the ACA required them to sign up for it in order to receive any kind of help (they never did, because, as Republicans, they wanted to pay their own medical expenses and not rely on the government and were evidently opponents of the ACA-- even though they're quietly refusing to admit so now that they need help), and they apparently wanted to be champions of "personal responsibility". Here's the deal: they failed to take personal responsibility. With all of the above in mind, it's glaringly obvious these two are just ridiculously stupid. And now that their stupidity has landed one of them in trouble with his health and both of them together in financial trouble, they want someone to come along and save them no strings attached from themselves. Life does not work this way. And this is the harsh lesson they're learning first-hand. Perhaps if they'd learned it earlier in their lives, they would've been spared this embarassing situation. I love how his wife calls the ACA the "Not Fair Health Care Act". How is it unfair? It isn't. You and your husband didn't do what you needed to do when you needed to do it, and that's how simple it is. He didn't take care of himself, neither one of you signed up when you were supposed to, and that's how simple it is. You had no trouble lauding "personal responsibility" when you were paying your own medical bills and refused to support or opt in for the ACA, so how about you both take personal responsibility now and stop trying to blame others for your own idiocy? And while you're at it, buck up and face the consequences for what you did (or more correctly, what you [i]didn't[/i] do). That one GoFundMe comment said it best: [quote]I want to donate enough to really help you out, but I can't figure out how to get GoFundMe to accept bootstraps[/quote] No handouts for you.
I think that this type of interpretation of Rand needs to be wholly discredited, because it [I]always[/I] boils down to this exact hypocrisy: Everyone should have pride and integrity and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and not expect anything to be handed to them, work for your riches, etc. And then, starting with Ayn Rand herself, they inevitably end up in trouble when money's tight, and they turn to the state or the public with their hands out, begging for help now that they're [B]actually[/B] suffering. Atlas Shrugged needs to stop being used as an acceptable way to legitimize being a selfish fuck until you really get screwed like this guy. I don't know if he's specifically invested in Randian philosophy, but the way he's acting puts him close enough to those idiots. If he really believed in paying for his own medical bills and taking care of himself without taking handouts, he'd get a [I]loan[/I] and go into debt like so many Americans under the system he voluntarily decided to remain in. Instead, he's holding out his hat to the Internet like a common beggar. Or, maybe I'm being too harsh, and he's already tried to get a loan -- and was unable to secure a loan for enough because he doesn't have employment income. Oops. How's that pride feel now?
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47718624]If he really believed in paying for his own medical bills and taking care of himself without taking handouts, he'd get a [I]loan[/I] and go into debt like so many Americans under the system he voluntarily decided to remain in. [/QUOTE] Not to mention he has a house and a wife who isn't working. He could refinance his home, move someplace cheaper, or have his wife get a job to earn the money to ~bootstrap~ his way back to health. But instead he's asking for handouts. There is an ideological hypocrisy here.
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