• Texas Governor Rick Perry Wants Texas And Other States To Secede
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[url]http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/rick-perry-let-states-secede-from-social-security.php[/url] [quote]Freshly reelected Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) just isn't ready to give up on the secession talk that made him a topic of conversation last year. Taking a national victory lap after his election to an unprecedented third term this week, Perry is out talking up his new plan to break up the union, kind of: It's time, he says, to let states opt out of Social Security. Last April, Perry told some Austin tea partiers that though "there's absolutely no reason to dissolve" the union the state of Texas has been a part of for about 160 years, "if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that." Texas, he suggested, could lead the charge. His new suggestion is not to split Texas from the other 49 states, but rather to give it the option to secede from the national pension program that has defined retirement in the country for 75 years. "When you look at social security, it's broke," Perry told the hosts of MSNBC's Morning Joe this morning. "My kids, 27 and 24, they know this is a Ponzi scheme." One way out of this mess, in Perry's mind? Just abandon Social Security altogether and let the states handle it. Texas (of course) has already fixed Social Security's problem, Perry says, so why should it be saddled with paying the Ponzi debts of every other sucker? "Why is the federal government even in the pension program or the health care delivery program?" Perry asked. "Let the states do it." Perry is currently on a national tour touting his book Fed Up! which is focused on the many ways the federal government should, in essence, get off the backs of the 50 states. The tools of federal tyranny Perry describes would be at home at any tea party rally: In a nutshell, taxes are too high, the EPA is too nosy and the health care reform law is an existential terror. It all goes back to the Founding Fathers, Perry says. "They did not believe that all of us would be alike, and they really didn't like centralized government and mandating down to these states how to act, how to look," he told NPR. Not surprisingly, some on the Democratic side of things are a bit skeptical of Perry's new secession plan. On Parker-Spitzer last night, former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer (D) took Perry on over his Social Security vision. Spitzer said Perry's Social Security idea isn't more widely discussed "because it doesn't work." Perry says seceding from Social Security is just one of many ways the system could get fixed -- he said that raising the retirement age or privatizing parts of the system are changes he could support. He responded to comparing federal obligations to a perhaps unfortunately chosen article of clothing, considering he was debating the infamous Client 9. "I think all of those are legitimate options out there, but let the states decide," Perry said. "Don't force us from Washington, DC to say, 'here is the size of tube socks that you're gonna wear down in Texas. Put 'em on."[/quote]
Woop
Because it worked so [i]well[/i] last time. Actually, can we give Texas back to Mexico?
[QUOTE=Esrange;25884400] Actually, can we give Texas back to Mexico?[/QUOTE] Can you not say such stupid things like this
ah Republicans, the Constitution means absolutely nothing to them
Just what we need, another oil-filled, mostly desert rogue state run by religious extremism.
[QUOTE=JerryK;25884422]ah Republicans, the Constitution means absolutely nothing to them[/QUOTE] That can be said about the Democrats as well.
pretty much but the way i see it is the Republicans are a bunch of dumb people leading even more dumb people and the democrats are a bunch of dumb people with a bit of education leading dumb people with some smart people
How did he win reelection? Did the other candidates mysteriously disappear on election day?
[quote]"They did not believe that all of us would be alike, and they really didn't like centralized government and mandating down to these states how to act, how to look," he told NPR.[/quote] actually most founding fathers were federalist and therefore pushed for a strong central government
[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;25884455]That can be said about the Democrats as well.[/QUOTE] When has a democrat ever doubted the separation of church or state was in the constitution? Or tried to start a succession?
[QUOTE=JerryK;25884470]pretty much but the way i see it is the Republicans are a bunch of dumb people leading even more dumb people and the democrats are a bunch of dumb people with a bit of education leading dumb people with some smart people[/QUOTE] Educated people shouldn't be aligning themselves with either party. [QUOTE=Lick;25884501]When has a democrat ever doubted the separation of church or state was in the constitution?[/QUOTE] Don't know, but I can't take them seriously when such a large majority of Democrats can't even interpret the Second Amendment properly.
[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;25884510]Educated people shouldn't be aligning themselves with either party.[/QUOTE]
Can Texas just sink to the bottom of the Gulf? Wait, I like the Cowboys, Even better, can we have portions of the Tea Party on the bottom of the Gulf instead?
Fuck it, get rid of Texas, U.S. Your national average IQ would increase many fold.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;25884519]Can Texas just sink to the bottom of the Gulf?[/QUOTE] ugh [editline]5th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=BBKF;25884532]Fuck it, get rid of Texas, U.S. Your national average IQ would increase many fold.[/QUOTE] !
wow and i'm referring to these stupid posts when i say wow
well guess what, an independent guy is never going to win, so why bother
[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;25884510]Don't know, but I can't take them seriously when such a large majority of Democrats can't even interpret the Second Amendment properly.[/QUOTE] It was intended to apply to militias etc. Things were very different back then.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;25884547]ugh [editline]5th November 2010[/editline] ![/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvkjewgF8GQ[/media]
[QUOTE=JerryK;25884580]well guess what, an independent guy is never going to win, so why bother[/QUOTE] Nearly all independents share the same sentiment, which is why it's never going to happen. [QUOTE=Lick;25884591]It was intended to apply to militias etc. Things were very different back then.[/QUOTE] It was intended to apply to the people of the United States, a traditional militia is made up of self armed citizens, the National Guard isn't a militia, it's a military organization.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;25884594][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvkjewgF8GQ[/media][/QUOTE] wow
[QUOTE=Craptasket;25884609]wow[/QUOTE] texas suxx lmao xD!!!!!
if texas seceded then they'd no longer be part of the US that would be [i]unamerican[/i] HERESY
[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;25884510]Educated people shouldn't be aligning themselves with either party.[/QUOTE] Sure the democrats aren't great. I find myself disagreeing with them to a certain degree, however, in my opinion they're a hell of a lot better then the state of the republican party right now.
States to opt out of Social Security what a fucking bad idea.
[QUOTE=Lick;25884622]Sure the democrats aren't great. I find myself disagreeing with them to a certain degree, however, in my opinion they're a hell of a lot better then the state of the republican party right now.[/QUOTE] It's going to be a very looong time before we have an Independent President. I guess Democrats are the lesser of the two evils.
[I]What we will hear:[/I] "Texas has seceded from the USA!" [I]What Texans will hear:[/I] "Every other state secedes form the USA besides Texas."
Well we beat them once, we'll beat them again.
[QUOTE=JerryK;25884470]pretty much but the way i see it is the Republicans are a bunch of dumb people leading even more dumb people and the democrats are a bunch of dumb people with a bit of education leading dumb people with some smart people[/QUOTE] Studies show that more Republicans have college educations than Democrats... [editline]5th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Lick;25884591]It was intended to apply to militias etc. Things were very different back then.[/QUOTE] Militias, which were, everybody between the age of 16 and 60, I believe. [editline]5th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Aide;25884639]States to opt out of Social Security what a fucking bad idea.[/QUOTE] Why? It's a money pit that none of the future generations would get to use. If I was given the option of never having to pay in again, and losing everything I've put in thus far, I'd gladly take it.
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