• E-sports Team Union Formalises and Reveals Demands For 2016
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[url]http://www.e-frag.net/news/esports/509/esports-team-union-demands[/url] [QUOTE]''Hi everyone, my name is Alexander Kokhanovskyy and I’m CEO of Na`Vi. I’m writing on behalf of Teams Union, which include Na`Vi, Team Liquid, CLG, Cloud9, VP, TSM, fnatic, NiP, Titan and EnVyUs. E-Sports has been developing rapidly for past few years and we want to establish more professional connection between top teams and big e-sports tournament & leagues organizers. All things listed in this e-mail applied from 1st of January 2016. This e-mail includes representatives of ESL, Dreamhack, Starladder, Faceit, PGL, MLG, CEVO, Joindota, Dotacinema, One Game Agency (DotaPit & CounterPit), ESEA, ESWC, Dreamz Media, BTS, Fragbite, Gfinity. Finally all of you are connected and you can “meet” each other. If you are not a right person for this type of information please pass it to proper people in your company. Participation policy 2016: We will decline all Dota 2 and CS:GO pure online events (without LAN Finals) invitations. The one and only exception will be US teams in CS:GO due to lack of LAN events. But they will set a minimum amount of prize money around 30.000$ USD for 1-2 months League and 10.000$ for 3-4 days event. What kind online events we are talking about: - Showmatches (except of sponsors events, for example G2A showmatch NAVI vs. Cloud9) - 1-2 day online tournaments with 4-8 teams playing - King of the Hill, Zotac, etc. - 2-3 months online leagues - Dotapit, XMG Captains Draft, GOCL etc. The minimum amount of prize money for CS:GO will be 75.000$ excluding travel support The minimum amount of prize money for Dota2 will be 100.000$ including in-game tickets, but excluding travel support Travel support: - Travel support should be completely separated from prize money - Tournaments should provide a full travel support for Dota2 and CS:GO players + manager/coach, 6 in total. - Tournaments should provide a full travel support for Hearthstone players - Tournaments should provide a partly-covered travel support for Heroes of the storm players + manager/coach, 6 in total Tournaments will have such options: Option A: Paying for tickets (economy or higher with convenient connections and layover time) and hotels (4 stars or higher) prior to the event Option B: Sending a travel support payment 7 days after event ends. Payment depends on the team origin region: - EU/CIS - US should be 12000$ or 2000$ per player in HS, 6000$ per HotS team - EU - EU should be 4000$ or 650$ per player in HS, 2000$ per HotS team - CIS - CIS should be 3000$ or 500$ per player in HS, 1500$ per HotS team - US - US should be 6000$ or 1000$ per player in HS, 3000$ per HotS team - EU - CIS should be 6000$ or 1000$ per player in HS, 3000$ per HotS team Option C: Combination of both Media reports by teams To increase overall value of events as well as media reach we are glad to do promo activities and provide media reports after each event. Each report will include: - Website news about event (link, screenshot, news views or/and daily unique visitors during news date) - Social media posts (matches, updates, info, etc.) in FB, VK, Twitter with hash-tag #teamonevent, i.e. #naviondhs15 (link, screenshot, posts views, likes, shares and comments) - Embedding tournament live broadcasting on website and social media (link, screenshot, website major stats during those days, social media posts views, likes, shares and comments) - Event promo video, i.e. highlights from online stages (if any - link, views, likes) - Event coverage on website (optional) You should receive such reports in PDF/PPT 14 days after event ends. Media report by tournaments To increase teams promotion and have a possibility to add such data in sponsors report we want to ask for such options: - Event overall details (date, location, etc.) - Tournaments standings/placements and prize money won - Event pictures (10-12 in .rar) - Teams pictures (all our teams that are on the event,2-3 photos per team in .rar) - Event sponsors - Broadcasting languages and studio - Event visitors - Broadcasting stats (online and LAN, for each unique viewers, views, hours watched, concurrent viewers) - Broadcasting geo-stats Such report should be available in PDF/PPT 14 days after event ends. Additional Dota2 / CS:GO teams requirements (please read that as recommendation for HoTS/HS): - Events should fill Tournament rider (see attached) prior to every event and send it to all teams in the group - Transportation from/to airport - Collect and store team banking details prior to the event. Just confirm with CEO/COO/Head Manager that bank details are same as they were on last event. Please don't confirm that only with team manager. - Penalizing teams and players for not obeying event rules (causing delays, misbehave, etc.) by cutting off prize money Additional Dota2 / CS:GO players requirements: (please read that as recommendation for HoTS/HS) - Prize money should be paid not later than 3 months after event ends. - Transportation from hotel to venue and back (if venue is far) - If 6 players are travelling we are expecting 3 rooms with 2 double-beds in each - Dedicated bathroom for players with no access for fans/crowd - Not more than 1x BO3 + 1x BO5 per day - If possible, equal conditions to all teams participating (avoid match-ups too early if team left venue at 2:00 am, same warmup/rest time, etc.) - Provide a good seats (comfortable chairs such as DXracer) and enough space for each player (tables at least 1.2m x 0.8m per player) - Players lounge with no access for crowd, practice area and food is warmly welcome Hope for fruitful cooperation in 2016!''[/QUOTE] The article also states [QUOTE]It is also worth mentioning that multiple players who represent the organisations listed as being members of this team union were approached and they were unaware these requests were being made on their behalf. 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You have to be kidding me.
Those demands sound pretty fair, honestly.
I don't honestly know much about this sort of thing, but some of these demands seem a little extreme.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;48816912]I don't honestly know much about this sort of thing, but some of these demands seem a little extreme.[/QUOTE] unions will start demands high, and negotiate down from there from hearing the horror stories about winning players not getting their winnings or having absurd troubles getting them, a union is a great solution
So this explains why certain people left certain teams recently.
After some of the shit some events have pulled (looking at you Gamer's Paradise CS:GO) a union idea sounds ideal, but some of these demands, especially the latter 'additional' ones, are a little bit much
Shouldn't the team organization pay at least some? It seems like it's just going to make it harder to hold events. Anyway it's funny to think how behind fighting games are in terms of competitive gaming. Almost all the time even if the players are apart of Team Razer or Evil Genuises, they never pay for trips.
I don't think forcing them to pay for travel support is coo, but everything else seems pretty standard.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;48816912]I don't honestly know much about this sort of thing, but some of these demands seem a little extreme.[/QUOTE] In negotiating you demand the blood of their first borns so you have something to give up at the table [editline]3rd October 2015[/editline] Also this is less of UAW and more NFL players union for comparison
Finally something has been done about this. But i wonder if this will work. BUT THEN AGAIN, most of the teams are pretty big names in e-sports, so this might work.
From Reddit: [quote] This isn't a players union, it's an organization's union. This is not a good thing. Organizations don't need more control over events, players need more control over their own profession. Players aren't even aware organizations were making these claims. There's more information in these demands that shills for dxracer chairs than there is conversation of player's rights in drug testing or appeals etc. People supporting this because they see the word union and forget to notice team instead of players should read again. [url]https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/650307133142134784[/url] This is not what I was hoping for. Some things here are incidentally good, like timely paying out of prize pools and player bathrooms/lounges, but the majority of this reads like it was written on behalf of people balancing the books for navi and c9 etc. Edit: To people wondering about prize pool payouts, think about what it means that this is even a topic by the teams and not by the players. Players get salary and usually 80-100% of prize money, organizations get sponsor money, players should be collectively bargaining concerning prize pools, not orgs. [/quote] And the tweet [quote="@RLewisReports"] No. As the piece explains, many players had no idea these demands were being made on their behalf @railgun1123 [/quote] This is not really what you want for the actual players IMO
Yeah, at first I also was like "oh union, sweet....wait this isn't player's union"
cynic in says these are to start getting e-sports into the Olympics... which will never happen. Edit: Holy shit the rest of the article, screw getting into the olympics... it sounds like the Union forcing teams to buy shit to shill off and less about player's rights.
e-sports in the olympics riiiiight.
[QUOTE]An organization of employers isn't a "union", it's a business relationship. Players still lack a real way to collectively negotiate.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/kptdota/status/650355874842546177[/url]
This is bad any way you slice it. It's likely the same organizations that were trying to broker the exclusivity deal. It relies on the good will of the organizations to do no evil. Fat fucking chance.
Sounds like 2016 is going to be the year of unknown e-sports teams then.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;48817335]e-sports in the olympics riiiiight.[/QUOTE] Chess and Bridge are recognized Olympic games, I don't see why there wouldn't at least be a chance. Obviously there's a huge audience.
[QUOTE=Grandzeit;48817685]Chess and Bridge are recognized Olympic games, I don't see why there wouldn't at least be a chance. Obviously there's a huge audience.[/QUOTE] In order to have E-sports to have a chance at a olympics and international player's union will have to be formed... and they cannot have a lot of the Extra stuff this has.
This is so funny. In dota 2 Navi is actually really bad right now. They really can not afford to decline tournaments under 100k. and c9 in dota is just a pretty bad NA team, probably 2nd or 3rd best in NA, but that doesn't mean anything when NA sucks.
[QUOTE=patq911;48817926]This is so funny. In dota 2 Navi is actually really bad right now. They really can not afford to decline tournaments under 100k. and c9 in dota is just a pretty bad NA team, probably 2nd or 3rd best in NA, but that doesn't mean anything when NA sucks.[/QUOTE] yeah navi is bottom teir 2 eu if that but I would say c9 aren't that bad just need some work. this being a TEAM union and not players isn't great since it is obvious money is what they really want instead of things a player union would.
Hotels: 4 star or higher ahahahahaha
[QUOTE]The minimum amount of prize money for CS:GO will be 75.000$ excluding travel support [/QUOTE] So basically they only want to have ESL/Gfinity/DreamHack/Faceit to have tournaments lol
Yep this is pretty much a joke and I don't see a lot of organisations agreeing to it. We'll likely be seeing smaller teams pop up more next year unless these teams realise this is a bad idea. I can understand some of the parts related to this, I mean look back at the drama Gamers Paradise caused, the players were fine playing for the fans but the organisations behind the teams were not happy at all. This pushes organisations really hard to match a standard that they can't all provide. Completely removing online only tournaments is a terrible idea because to the players, these are seen as really good practise events with a cash incentive at the end, removing them provides really no point other than making the players have to fall-back on other training methods which can be not as productive. Honestly some of these demands are legit and have a strong backing behind them (getting tournament documents 14 days before starting is a legit concern, look at DHS where Fnatic and LDLC didn't get a copy of the rules because the rules never actually existed in written form) but demanding stuff like 4 star hotels and minimal requirement to prize money is a joke, small leagues just can't provide that and some of these big teams like to go to the smaller tournaments. Honestly this needs some input from the players on the team because its clear it's been drafted together by the paper pushers behind them. [editline]3rd October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=michaelwang22;48818870]So basically they only want to have ESL/Gfinity/DreamHack/Faceit to have tournaments lol[/QUOTE] Think you mean ESL and Dreamhack only. Gfinity and FaceIT are small and even provide prizepools less than what they are demanding. It's ridiculous honestly.
[QUOTE=djshox;48816978]unions will start demands high, and negotiate down from there from hearing the horror stories about winning players not getting their winnings or having absurd troubles getting them, a union is a great solution[/QUOTE] Or that one tournament that had some extremely shitty conditions...
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