• Obama has Newtown Victims do Weekly Address
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[quote=http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/us/politics/mother-of-newtown-victim-gives-white-houses-weekly-address.html?_r=0]WASHINGTON — The mother of a child killed in the school shooting in Connecticut delivered a raw plea on Saturday for the Senate to pass gun control legislation, using an avenue normally reserved for the president. Struggling to maintain her composure, the mother, Francine Wheeler, spoke of her 6-year-old son, Ben, who was killed Dec. 14 at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., as she delivered the White House’s weekly address instead of President Obama. “I’ve heard people say that the tidal wave of anguish our country felt on 12/14 has receded. But not for us,” Ms. Wheeler said, her husband, David, by her side. “To us, it feels as if it happened just yesterday. And in the four months since we lost our loved ones, thousands of other Americans have died at the end of a gun. Thousands of other families across the United States are also drowning in our grief."[/quote]
How subtle.
As much as I sympathize with the families of the massacre, I never much cared for politicians using a tragedy to further their agenda. Beyond that though, I'm still not convinced that gun control would have prevented this from taking place, and it pisses me off that NOBODY is talking about how bad our mental healthcare is in this country. I know we have to [I]something[/I], but I think our time would be better spent learning to identify mental health issues at an earlier stage so we can give these people the help they need.
Well, here comes [I]everybody in SH.[/I]
[QUOTE=Reds;40265117]Well, here comes [I]everybody in SH.[/I][/QUOTE] Rally the troops.
[QUOTE=Elfy;40265125]Rally the troops.[/QUOTE] Me? Rally them? I advocate gun control thanks to being Australian, I'm getting the fuck out of here and into my vacuum-tight bunker three kilometres below the surface of the earth.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40265115]As much as I sympathize with the families of the massacre, I never much cared for politicians using a tragedy to further their agenda. Beyond that though, I'm still not convinced that gun control would have prevented this from taking place, and it pisses me off that NOBODY is talking about how bad our mental healthcare is in this country. I know we have to [I]something[/I], but I think our time would be better spent learning to identify mental health issues at an earlier stage so we can give these people the help they need.[/QUOTE] If we either A: Take care of bullying, B: Take care of our fucked up mental healthcare system or C: stop the media circus surrounding these crimes they wouldn't happen. Any one of those three disappears and so will school shootings. But nooooooo, instead congress wants to be :dumb: and enact gun control rules that won't help a bit. GG.
Enough of this shit, please.
He had a chance to do things in the past(all though with some fierce opposition), but he instead destroyed any chances he had while trying to play with emotions. Now the whole thing regarding Sandy Hook(and Aurora) has become a very, very burnt out topic. Right now I am more concerned about the ammo shortage, and how it's effecting the training of LE and CC holders. Ammo flies off the shelves in literally minutes, and the only type of ammo which doesn't get bought(.38 Special and 30.06) isn't really used all that much. This combined up with backlogging thanks to people who were on the fence(or jackass aristocrats) is making it near impossible to purchase firearm components.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;40265997]i dont trust an australian bunker, for all i know, they have bigass poisonous spiders in there[/QUOTE] The bunker is made of bigass poisonous spiders, making it nearly impervious to penetration by hostile forces or objects. This is the reason Germany never invaded Australia in WW2.
Bring on the actors, I could really need a new dose of fear again
Obama is using this so fucking hard to drill into everyones head that they need gun control.
Any ounce of respect I had for the president is gone. It's almost sickening how hard he's pushing this agenda.
I feel like pity parties (don't get me wrong, what happened was terrible) from Newtown and others who have suffered from terrible gun tragedies are the only thing they have to defend gun laws. Those who are looking to preserve more free gun laws are actually using evidence and statistics to support their claims. Remember when that armed off-duty police officer stopped another theater shooting because he was armed and shot the guy to protect lives? Obviously, no one at Newtown or in the white house cares about that.
I bet those coffins make great soap boxes since the White House has trouble getting the peoples attention when they stand on anything else. Firearm sales are a massive domestic market, people buy/sell/trade guns daily, and it helps the economy. If our economy is so bad, why are we going to start making backwards progress just because some lunatic showed us how we don't give enough attention to the sick and mentally ill, rather than just focusing our attention on what we can restrict or take away next. There are many more important things to worry about, but instead we find ourselves still quarreling over one of the dumbest arguments of all time.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;40266750]I bet those coffins make great soap boxes since the White House has trouble getting the peoples attention when they stand on anything else. Firearm sales are a massive domestic market, people buy/sell/trade guns daily, and it helps the economy. If our economy is so bad, why are we going to start making backwards progress just because some lunatic showed us how we don't give enough attention to the sick and mentally ill, rather than just focusing our attention on what we can restrict or take away next. There are many more important things to worry about, but instead we find ourselves still quarreling over one of the dumbest arguments of all time.[/QUOTE] Look on the bright side: dance is great exercise. Even when it's on the graves of children.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40265115]As much as I sympathize with the families of the massacre, I never much cared for politicians using a tragedy to further their agenda. Beyond that though, I'm still not convinced that gun control would have prevented this from taking place, and it pisses me off that NOBODY is talking about how bad our mental healthcare is in this country. I know we have to [I]something[/I], but I think our time would be better spent learning to identify mental health issues at an earlier stage so we can give these people the help they need.[/QUOTE] The only reason it's his agenda is BECAUSE of incidents like this. It wasn't his agenda before. But he's made it one because it's the right thing to do.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;40266750]I bet those coffins make great soap boxes since the White House has trouble getting the peoples attention when they stand on anything else. Firearm sales are a massive domestic market, people buy/sell/trade guns daily, and it helps the economy. If our economy is so bad, why are we going to start making backwards progress just because some lunatic showed us how we don't give enough attention to the sick and mentally ill, rather than just focusing our attention on what we can restrict or take away next. There are many more important things to worry about, but instead we find ourselves still quarreling over one of the dumbest arguments of all time.[/QUOTE] It's almost as if they're using this as a distraction so we don't notice they haven't been doing their jobs and actually attempting to fix the economy. Outlandish I know because I'm sure our politicians are above that and are moral beings, but it's possible.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;40266839]The only reason it's his agenda is BECAUSE of incidents like this. It wasn't his agenda before. But he's made it one because it's the right thing to do.[/QUOTE] The right thing to do? A lot of them have been fantasizing about confiscation. How does (unlawfully) taking property away from law-abiding citizens curb crime? It doesn't. The right thing to do would be look at the roots of violent crime in general, like poor mental health care and living conditions. All they ever talk about lessening is [i]gun violence[/i] rather than [i]violence[/i], which is not acceptable. It sends the message that they don't care about stopping crime.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;40266839]it's the right thing to do.[/QUOTE] Yeah, gun legislation that makes no sense, would only criminalize and demonize those who follow the law, would be a huge waste of time and money, and would do diddly squat to prevent massacres or hinder gun crime altogether, is [B]definitely[/B] the right thing to do. The whole "better background checks, let's make sure you're honest and sane before you get a gun" was a nice premise, but AWB 2: Electric Boogaloo is all sorts of dumb.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40265115]As much as I sympathize with the families of the massacre, I never much cared for politicians using a tragedy to further their agenda.[/QUOTE] What's the difference between using a tragedy to further your agenda and taking action because of a tragedy?
What a cunt, takes advantage of peoples loss to further his own political agenda.. and he has been doing it since December too.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;40267361]What's the difference between using a tragedy to further your agenda and taking action because of a tragedy?[/QUOTE] There is no action to take. Statistically blunt objects kill CONSIDERABLY more people than assault babby killers. Like 15x more. Obviously the twat is using the appeal to emotion fallacy to further his agenda. How many deaths are there annually from babbykillers, like 20? 20 people are nothing. It is really disgusting because tens of thousands of peopling dying of famine or genocide in some no name backwater shithole doesn't even make the headline news.
[QUOTE=sHiBaN;40266157]Bring on the actors, I could really need a new dose of fear again[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;XcztgO8jklo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcztgO8jklo[/video]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;40267361]What's the difference between using a tragedy to further your agenda and taking action because of a tragedy?[/QUOTE] The latter is more or less "This horrible thing happened. We shall make sure it never happens again", while the former is "Hey look, this horrible thing happened. Great! Now we have leverage to further our own goals even though these measures are kind of bullshit. But hey dude, dead kids. More people will support us this time."
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40265115]As much as I sympathize with the families of the massacre, I never much cared for politicians using a tragedy to further their agenda. [/QUOTE] How dare we use events as a reason to talk about things. Let's do the opposite, and never acknowledge anything that happens, as if we were living in a stark black void with no external stimuli. [editline]13th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40267423]The latter is more or less "This horrible thing happened. We shall make sure it never happens again", while the former is "Hey look, this horrible thing happened. Great! Now we have leverage to further our own goals even though these measures are kind of bullshit. But hey dude, dead kids. More people will support us this time."[/QUOTE] Actually it's more like the difference between those two things is "whether or not I agree with it"
There's a difference between using events to talk about things and using them as the basis for an appeal to emotion fallacy.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40267705]How dare we use events as a reason to talk about things. Let's do the opposite, and never acknowledge anything that happens, as if we were living in a stark black void with no external stimuli. [editline]13th April 2013[/editline] Actually it's more like the difference between those two things is "whether or not I agree with it"[/QUOTE] There is a difference between talking about the events, and dragging the relatives of the dead around and using them to push your opinion.
[QUOTE=Ridge;40267735]There is a difference between talking about the events, and dragging the relatives of the dead around and using them to push your opinion.[/QUOTE] Do you think the woman doing the address has a gun to her head off camera? She's doing it willingly because she believes what she is saying.
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40267307]Yeah, gun legislation that makes no sense, would only criminalize and demonize those who follow the law, would be a huge waste of time and money, and would do diddly squat to prevent massacres or hinder gun crime altogether, is [B]definitely[/B] the right thing to do. The whole "better background checks, let's make sure you're honest and sane before you get a gun" was a nice premise, but AWB 2: Electric Boogaloo is all sorts of dumb.[/QUOTE] Its the politically right thing to do. But no necessarily the right thing to do.
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