• Poland tasks lawmakers with estimating German war reparations
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[IMG_thumb]https://www.thelocal.de/userdata/images/article/3313504a7c90161a0c222033d7fa4b82f3b33efb9a1045b3ed01626ab13fd4f8.jpg[/IMG_thumb] [QUOTE]Poland's governing conservatives have set up a parliamentary committee tasked with looking into the extent of World War II reparations they claim is owed by Germany, the new body's head said Friday. "We want to begin work in the Polish parliament that will result in an analysis of the estimated amount that Germany owes Poland," the committee's presiding lawmaker Arkadiusz Mularczyk told the Polish news agency PAP. The member of the governing Law and Justice (PiS) party added that there is no set date for the committee to produce its results. The issue of war reparations -- for years considered as settled – was revived in July by PiS leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski. Earlier this month Prime Minister Beata Szydlo said Warsaw "has the right" to ask for reparations. But German government spokesman Steffen Seibert responded that the issue had already been settled when "Poland made a binding decision in August 1953... to relinquish demands for further war reparations." Signed by Warsaw's communist authorities, the 1953 agreement on reparations renounced further claims against Germany. Poland's foreign and interior ministers have estimated potential reparations reaching as high as $1 trillion (850 billion euros).[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.thelocal.de/20170930/poland-tasks-lawmakers-with-estimating-german-war-reparations[/url]
This sounds odd. It isn't the current government's fault, plus it won't change anything. It sounds more like a "give me moeny" lawsuit than something done for justice, but heh what do I know...
Poland sounds like North Korea. Shame for such a great country.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;52736344]It isn't the current government's fault, plus it won't change anything.[/QUOTE] That doesn't matter, new governments are responsible for the old government's actions. Germany was paying WW1 reparations until 2010. That said, Poland is just mad that the European Union wants to punish them for refusing to take refugees.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52736379]That doesn't matter, new governments are responsible for the old government's actions.[/QUOTE] This statement needs so many caveats attached to it. That is certainly not universal. I'm not sure of Germany's liability to pay for reparations or not, but there are many many instances where a new government is not responsible for an old government's actions. Regimes/colonial/revolutionary powers at at play for example.
War reparations are absolutely ridiculous, especially one that happend 70 years ago. If the Polish conservatives are going to be petty, they should be asking Russia for reparations for 50 years of oppression and mass murder.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52736661]War reparations are absolutely ridiculous, especially one that happend 70 years ago. If the Polish conservatives are going to be petty, they should be asking Russia for reparations for 50 years of oppression and mass murder.[/QUOTE] I guess Germany is easier to extort than Russia
Supposedly "Poland" at the time made a binding decisions although if my memory is correct Poland was under communist rule at the time. The same communists that signed away Poland reparations are the same communists that stopped at the Vistula and watched the polish resistance and hundreds of thousands of innocent polish citizens get exterminated, The reason for uprising was basically promise from the soviets they would help, This idelogy that did such horrors to Poland and many many more made these decisions on Poland's behalf. Germans killed 200k Polish civilians in Warsaw from aug to Oct. 200k. Europe loves to do one thing, Promise, Betray, Hate Poland time and time again. also for people interested another horrible thing soviets did to Poland [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre[/URL] [editline]2nd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52736379]That doesn't matter, new governments are responsible for the old government's actions. Germany was paying WW1 reparations until 2010. That said, Poland is just mad that the European Union wants to punish them for refusing to take refugees.[/QUOTE] Can we stop these lies Poland did take refugees just not illegal ones, they took over a million Ukranian refugees.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52736379]That doesn't matter, new governments are responsible for the old government's actions. Germany was paying WW1 reparations until 2010. That said, Poland is just mad that the European Union wants to punish them for refusing to take refugees.[/QUOTE] then wouldn't the polish puppet government accepting soviet "terms" about reparations just after the war mean the current government should inherit that decision as well? there's about as much continuation of authority and responsibility between the communist government and post-communist government as there is between nazi germany and west germany
what is this post [QUOTE=cartman;52736764]Supposedly "Poland" at the time made a binding decisions although if my memory is correct Poland was under communist rule at the time. [/quote] why yes that's correct. Thanks to the communist rule, we managed to get a lot of land from Germany. Germany, that was just as independent as Poland during that time. With whatever we bring to the table, Germany can use the same arguments to get back western poland and ostpreussen. [QUOTE=cartman;52736764] The same communists that signed away Poland reparations are the same communists that stopped at the Vistula and watched the polish resistance and hundreds of thousands of innocent polish citizens get exterminated, The reason for uprising was basically promise from the soviets they would help, This idelogy that did such horrors to Poland and many many more made these decisions on Poland's behalf. Germans killed 200k Polish civilians in Warsaw from aug to Oct. 200k. Europe loves to do one thing, Promise, Betray, Hate Poland time and time again. also for people interested another horrible thing soviets did to Poland [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre[/URL] [/quote] Soviets performed terrible war crimes, so did nazi germany, and you spin it into blaming the entirety of Europe wth [QUOTE=cartman;52736764] Can we stop these lies Poland did take refugees just not illegal ones, they took over a million Ukranian refugees.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I don't think we officialy have a lot of refugees. What we do have are ukrainians on work permits that arrived when their currency crashed. Economic migrants, that even in the terrible state of the Polish-Ukrainian relationships, are still very welcome in our country. But the previous goverment did accept taking in the specific asylum seekers. Few thousands of them, but apperently you don't have to look more than 50 years back to put the line on when the goverment is still responsible for old goverment's actions. Just a few years is already pushing it: [quote=http://www.politico.eu/article/politics-nationalism-and-religion-explain-why-poland-doesnt-want-refugees/]Warsaw shrugged off the threat. “In agreeing to take in refugees, the [previous government] put a ticking bomb under us,” Interior Minister Mariusz Błaszczak told reporters in Brussels. “We’re defusing that bomb.”[/quote] [editline]fake editline, eat me[/editline] Regarding the subject specifically, I don't think there's anything tangible coming out of this farce. The current populist goverment simply wants to spice the population up against Germany and EU, by talking like they're about to fucking own the entirety of Germany, while backing away every time someone assumes that they're actually serious - saying that they're only considering war reparations, and it's a normal thing to build commitees about. And then, when an interview or a radio debate is over, they're back to screaming. I'm glad that other goverments aren't taking this as seriously as PiS wants, though. I genuinely hope the political situation will flip after the next elections.
So Germany supported polish aspirations to join NATO and EU, supported Poland economically and monetary. And Poland thanks them by demanding reparations that are irrelevant today. Poland gained their "reparations" with annexation of former East Germany. There is no need on reparations and PiS wouldn't use their money well. [editline]2nd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52736379]That doesn't matter, new governments are responsible for the old government's actions. Germany was paying WW1 reparations until 2010. That said, Poland is just mad that the European Union wants to punish them for refusing to take refugees.[/QUOTE] Not only refugees. There's so much shit there that you wouldn't understand what the polish really want.
Exactly, what else does Poland want? I think you already have Breslau, Hirschberg Im Riesengebirge and other zones of the former East Germany as well as got money from war reparations and more money from the European Union. What are those kind of "War Reparations" and why so late those are asked? Stupid PiS, Poland is a great country, ruined by a shitty party.
[QUOTE=MarcusSmith;52738936]Exactly, what else does Poland want? I think you already have Breslau, Hirschberg Im Riesengebirge and other zones of the former East Germany as well as got money from war reparations and more money from the European Union. What are those kind of "War Reparations" and why so late those are asked? Stupid PiS, Poland is a great country, ruined by a shitty party.[/QUOTE] Why do you say this? Historically the lands "gained" where Poland's first
[QUOTE=cartman;52740846]Why do you say this? Historically the lands "gained" where Poland's first[/QUOTE] For like 100 yeats? Poland lost Pomerania during division of Poland when Branderburg March took over. Masuria never belonged to Poland before. Sikesia was incorporated willingly into the Crown of Bohemia. Who really cares who had what before. The truth is we were given these lands, because Stalin knew that it will heavily damage polish-german relations, which meant Poland would look for assistance in USSR (Russia).
War reparations aren't stupid if they're made immediately after the war and part of the treaty that ends the war. Like the ones Germany finished paying in 2010. They are stupid if you wait almost a century before realizing you're broke as shit and decide that someone owe you money all of a sudden.
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