• Austria's far-right presidential candidate narrowly defeated
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36362505[/url] [quote]Independent candidate Alexander Van der Bellen has won Austria's presidential election, preventing Norbert Hofer from becoming the EU's first far-right head of state, the BBC has been told. Mr Hofer led narrowly after Sunday's election but postal votes counted on Monday gave Mr Van der Bellen victory. Mr Van der Bellen campaigned on a pro-EU platform, backed by the Green Party. Mr Hofer, of the Freedom Party, had tapped into anti-EU sentiment and fears about rising numbers of asylum seekers.[/quote]
[QUOTE]The FPÖ itself was founded in 1956 as the successor to the short-lived Federation of Independents (VdU) and Anton Reinthaller, a former Nazi Minister of Agriculture and SS officer became the party's first leader.[/QUOTE] Oh God.
Seeing how many feel they need to vote for the far-right, that should be a wake up call for the politicians that the current immigration politics aren't accepted by a very large part of the people.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50376764]Seeing how many are voting for the far-right, that should be a wake up call for the politicians that the current immigration politics aren't acceptable by a very large part of the people.[/QUOTE] Well obviously there are parties for those people, otherwise SD wouldn't exist. If every politician just pandered right, who's going to represent everyone else.
thank you austria for not making a terrible mistake
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50376764]Seeing how many feel they need to vote for the far-right, that should be a wake up call for the politicians that the current immigration politics aren't accepted by a very large part of the people.[/QUOTE] There isn't exactly so much you can do to stop refugees that isn't already being done, and in either case with the recent deal with Turkey the immigration situation isn't really an issue.
Van der Bellen defeats Van der Bellend
what a shame
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50376764]Seeing how many feel they need to vote for the far-right, that should be a wake up call for the politicians that the current immigration politics aren't accepted by a very large part of the people.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure they already know that, Merkel is trying to get the egg off her face by suddenly backing immigration quotas and a working system, but like donnald trump, there are a lot of people want to take the easy route and elect someone who promises immediate action. Not saying the existing politics aren't innocent, the open welcoming message Germany forced many European countries to send attracted basically everyone but the Syrian refugees that they intended
Welp, the road to hell is paved in good intentions as some would say.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50376995]Welp, the road to hell is paved in good intentions as some would say.[/QUOTE] are you saying that not having a far-right party rule would be bad? you realize that this party's first leader was an SS officer, right
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50376713][quote]The FPÖ itself was founded in 1956 as the successor to the short-lived Federation of Independents (VdU) and Anton Reinthaller, a former Nazi Minister of Agriculture and SS officer became the party's first leader.[/quote] Oh God.[/QUOTE] When europeans go far right, they go FAR right.
Good job, now we have a left wing extremist fascist that wants to kill parliament if a right wing party wins next elections. Good job. [editline]23rd May 2016[/editline] Did I forget to mention he also supports TTIP?
I heard he was a good candidate.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;50377383]I heard he was a good candidate.[/QUOTE] For fucks sake he is not. If you ever watched any sort of TV interview or TV duel with him against Hofer, he seems close to fucking senile the way he acts.
[QUOTE=jonoPorter;50377360]Good job, now we have a left wing extremist fascist that wants to kill parliament if a right wing party wins next elections. Good job. [editline]23rd May 2016[/editline] Did I forget to mention he also supports TTIP?[/QUOTE] TTIP? Oh no, literally Hitler!
[QUOTE=jonoPorter;50377360]Good job, now we have a [B]left wing extremist fascist [/B]that wants to kill parliament if a right wing party wins next elections. Good job. [editline]23rd May 2016[/editline] Did I forget to mention he also supports TTIP?[/QUOTE] Sure you haven't forgotten a few words ? How about marxist, leninist, sexist, chauvinist...
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50377540]TTIP? Oh no, literally Hitler![/QUOTE] Thank you for showing everyone how uninformed you are. [QUOTE=Dim;50377563]Sure you haven't forgotten a few words ? How about marxist, leninist, sexist, chauvinist...[/QUOTE] Yeah, sorry for not going about the leftist way of accusing him of half a billion things that are not true and just going with the facts. Yep, my bad.
[QUOTE=jonoPorter;50377568] Yeah, sorry for not going about the leftist way of accusing him of half a billion things that are not true and [U]just going with the facts[/U]. Yep, my bad.[/QUOTE] Please elaborate
So I have a serious question for Europeans. Why is it that there are so many modern parties that openly state they are Neo-Nazi or far-right fascist ultra-nationalist and tend to garner so much support in European countries like Sweden, Norway, the UK, and Germany when we live in a world where everybody is well aware through the Internet and social medias of the atrocities of WWII committed by the Nazi party from the early 20th century? I mean is it purely an extremist belief in that movement/Holocaust denial/attention seeking/all of the above? It boggles the mind how it seems that there's, at least through media, a large presence of these people with power. But who am I to say when we have Trump in the US.
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;50377606][B]So I have a serious question for Europeans. Why is it that there are so many modern parties that openly state they are Neo-Nazi or far-right fascist ultra-nationalist and tend to garner so much support in European countries like Sweden, Norway, the UK, and Germany when we live in a world where everybody is well aware through the Internet and social medias of the atrocities of WWII committed by the Nazi party from the early 20th century?[/B] I mean is it purely an extremist belief in that movement/Holocaust denial/attention seeking/all of the above? It boggles the mind how it seems that there's, at least through media, a large presence of these people with power. But who am I to say when we have Trump in the US.[/QUOTE] because no one else wants to admit or even talk about [I]the biggest problem in europe right now[/I] (which is immigration) besides these nutjobs
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;50377606]So I have a serious question for Europeans. Why is it that there are so many modern parties that openly state they are Neo-Nazi or far-right fascist ultra-nationalist and tend to garner so much support in European countries like Sweden, Norway, the UK, and Germany when we live in a world where everybody is well aware through the Internet and social medias of the atrocities of WWII committed by the Nazi party from the early 20th century? I mean is it purely an extremist belief in that movement/Holocaust denial/attention seeking/all of the above? It boggles the mind how it seems that there's, at least through media, a large presence of these people with power. But who am I to say when we have Trump in the US.[/QUOTE] I think it's a complex issue, a combination of fear, media constantly talking about how shitty the world is, poor source criticism and general critical thinking, and probably a little bit of "we and them" mentality. [editline]23rd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kentz;50377624]because no one else wants to admit or even talk about [I]the biggest problem in europe right now[/I] (which is immigration) besides these nutjobs[/QUOTE] Immigration is not the biggest problem in Europe right now :v:
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50377638] Immigration is not the biggest problem in Europe right now :v:[/QUOTE] yes it is * financial burden * people get more and more euroskeptic as the EU forces them to take in immigrants * giant surge in crime and terrorism ??? whatever your stance on the issue is, this is by far the most important political question in europe right now
[QUOTE=jonoPorter;50377568]Thank you for showing everyone how uninformed you are. Yeah, sorry for not going about the leftist way of accusing him of half a billion things that are not true and just going with the facts. Yep, my bad.[/QUOTE] is your biggest concern really a boring trade deal with a few corporatist provisions rather than the rise of the far-right in your own country
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50376764]Seeing how many feel they need to vote for the far-right, that should be a wake up call for the politicians that the current immigration politics aren't accepted by a very large part of the people.[/QUOTE] If you want to employ a far-right policy, you should elect far-right parties. It's ridiculous to demand that other parties conform to your policies despite losing the elections. [editline]23rd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kentz;50377624]because no one else wants to admit or even talk about [I]the biggest problem in europe right now[/I] (which is immigration) besides these nutjobs[/QUOTE] These modern parties existed before, some even decades before the current refugee issue, so it's safe to say that you are wrong.
[QUOTE=jonoPorter;50377568]Yeah, sorry for not going about the leftist way of accusing him of half a billion things that are not true and just going with the facts. Yep, my bad.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile you accuse him of being a extremist and facist (???). Good job.
[QUOTE=phaedon;50377659] These modern parties existed before, some even decades before the current refugee issue, so it's safe to say that you are wrong.[/QUOTE] he asked why they have massive support do you think europeans just woke up one morning thinking "man i fucking hate these brown people now" or do you think that maybe umh they are tired of muslims striping their state of resources
The Freedom Party of Austria is fucking terrifying. I've ranted on this before, but it's one of the most concerning nationalist movements in Europe in my opinion. Heinz-Christian Strache, the head of the party, is a lunatic. One of his campaign slogans six years ago was "Mehr Mut für unser Wiener Blut," or "More Strength for our Viennese Blood." He uses rhetoric concerning "das Volk" regularly, he's called for the unification of Austria and Germany under a single great pan-Germanic state... the dude is nuts. His rhetoric echoes the NDP and the past head of the FPO, Jorg Haider - except instead of being anti-semitic and getting support from Gaddafi and Hussein like Haider did, he's incredibly pro-Israel and despises all Islam. [URL="http://www.languageandcapitalism.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/slc3-4_turner-graham.pdf"]This is an excellent read on Heinz-Christian Strache and the Freedom Party of Austria[/URL]. It's already eight years old, but it highlights the tactical rhetoric and youth-targeted media that the FPO has used to garner youth support. Hofer has been instrumental in popularizing this type of rhetoric, disguising pan-Germanic and pan-European nationalist identity pride as a positive embrace of history rather than a reactionary, exclusionary attempt to disenfranchise and incite tensions against Muslims and Arabs and every manner of non-European influence - including American multiculturalism or globalism. He's a calm, mild-mannered face on a spiteful and hateful party that is reigniting nationalistic and racial pride in the youth. This party is incredibly concerning to watch from the outside. I understand that unchecked immigration is an issues to many European countries, but supporting a nationalistic party that was founded by ex-Nazis and has consistently been supported by Neo-Nazis and Nazi sympathizers is [I]not[/I] the way to react.
[QUOTE=Kentz;50377688]he asked why they have massive support[/quote] He also asked why they exist, and why they were able to be openly neo-nazi. Besides, I can't talk about Scandinavia, but FPO garnered significant support for ages. They were the second party in popularity in 1999 and were third around that time. Saxony has also had a fucked-up history with the far-right. The Front National gained traction before the refugee crisis, and Golden Dawn was the product of the 2008 financial crisis. Slovakia elected SNS and LSNS and they haven't even experienced any kind of immigration crisis. Hungary had elected Orban twice, and got Jobbik some seats way before the refugee crisis. [quote] do you think europeans just woke up one morning thinking "man i fucking hate these brown people now"[/quote] I do think that plenty of Europeans are hateful, and not only against outsiders. We are in no way different to any other continent in that regard. [quote]they are tired of muslims striping their state of resources[/QUOTE] I'm Greek mate, I've heard all variations of the parasite argument, and I've yet to hear a serious reason as to why I should vote for the cunts that wanted to subjugate Europe. EDIT: Also, obviously UKIP predates the refugee crisis as well.
[QUOTE=Kentz;50377649]yes it is * financial burden * people get more and more euroskeptic as the EU forces them to take in immigrants * giant surge in crime and terrorism ??? whatever your stance on the issue is, this is by far the most important political question in europe right now[/QUOTE] The financial burden isn't that big, such a small influx of people barely has an impact on such a wealthy part of the world as Europe and also there is no big difference in the crime rate between immigrants and citizens of european countries.
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