• Obama slams Romney over 47% remarks: Workers want help, 'not a handout'
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[IMG]http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20120921&Category=NEWS15&ArtNo=309210076&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Obama-slams-Romney-over-47-remarks-Workers-want-help-not-handout-[/IMG] [QUOTE]Stepping up his criticism of Mitt Romney's caught-on-tape moment, President Barack Obama said Thursday that his Republican rival's comments about voters suggest he doesn't know Americans very well. "When you express an attitude that half the country considers itself victims, that somehow they want to be dependent on government, my thinking is maybe you haven't gotten around a lot," Obama said at a candidate forum on the Spanish-language network Univision. Obama was speaking a day after Romney appeared at the same forum and said he was committed to all Americans. In a video from a May fund-raiser, Romney told wealthy donors that 47% of the electorate are people "who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. ... "These are people who pay no income tax." Romney said his role "is not to worry about those people." Obama said Americans pay payroll taxes, gas taxes, state taxes and sales taxes. He said those who don't pay federal income taxes include workers who don't make enough to qualify, older people and students. The forum gave Obama a rebuttal of sorts. Romney spoke Wednesday at the forum, where he said his campaign was about "the 100% in America." Obama, who ran on a message of changing the partisan tone in Washington, said he had come to the conclusion that "you can't change Washington from the inside. You can only change it from the outside. "So something that I'd really like to concentrate on in my second term is being in a much more constant conversation with the American people, so that they can put pressure on Congress to help move some of these issues forward," he said. Romney responded that Obama had surrendered in the face of a broken Washington. "He said he can't change Washington from inside. He can only change it from outside," Romney told supporters in Sarasota, Fla. "I can change Washington. I will change Washington." The Univision forum gave each man a chance to appeal to Latinos, who vote in large numbers in many of the swing states. Democrats have traditionally had an advantage with Hispanics, but Obama faced tough questions on his unfulfilled pledge to overhaul the nation's immigration system. Obama said immigration reform was his biggest failure as president but "not for a lack of trying or desire." He said he couldn't find a single Republican to help work on the legislation. "I'm happy to take responsibility for being naïve here," the president said. When later asked about the video of Romney, he made his harshest criticism yet of the statement about nearly half of Americans. "Their problem is not that they're not working hard enough or they don't want to work or they're being taxed too little or they just want to loaf around and gather government checks," Obama said. "We've gone through a challenging time. People want a hand up and not a handout." He was drowned out in applause when he added that millionaires, too, are among those who abuse the tax system. Obama also was asked about the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya after the release of a video that ridiculed Islam's prophet Muhammad. "I don't want to speak to something until we have all the information," Obama said. He said "the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests." The Univision forum was scheduled because no minority journalists were selected to moderate the three presidential debates. In 2008, Obama carried the Hispanic vote by 67% to Arizona Sen. John McCain's 31%, according to exit polls. Recent polls suggest that Obama enjoys a similar lead against Romney. Obama and Romney were crisscrossing Florida on Thursday, nearly overlapping in Miami. Romney left for fund-raisers and a rally in Sarasota only a few hours before Air Force One landed at the same airport. Obama was attending a fund-raiser in Tampa later Thursday where Pearl Jam singer Eddie Vedder was to perform. In Sarasota, Romney told voters that he's looking forward to focusing on the economy during next month's debates. "He's a very eloquent speaker," Romney said of Obama. "But he can't win by his words, because his record speaks so loudly in our ears." Obama campaign manager Jim Messina also tried to raise expectations for the rival's performance in a memo saying Romney has emerged from weeks of debate preparations "quick, polished and ready with a punchy attack."[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.freep.com/article/20120921/NEWS15/309210076/Obama-slams-Romney-over-47-remarks-Workers-want-help-not-a-handout-?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs[/url]
is romney deliberately trying to fuck himself over
[QUOTE=Death_God;37745347]is romney deliberately trying to fuck himself over[/QUOTE] No, he's just Republican.
Romney has already lost the election
unrelated but I just saw this, it made me laugh [IMG]https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/533793_504994982862081_1722501458_n.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE]"He's a very eloquent speaker," Romney said of Obama. "But he can't win by his words, because [B]his record speaks so loudly in our ears.[/B]"[/QUOTE] That's really quite laughable considering who's saying it.
[QUOTE]Workers want help, 'not a handout'[/QUOTE] Damn right, I want to work and put my skills to use for a fair paycheck, but there's [I]ZERO[/I] opportunities nowadays. And I'm from a well-off European country.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;37745414]unrelated but I just saw this, it made me laugh [IMG]https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/533793_504994982862081_1722501458_n.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYZre8kEsuw[/media]
[QUOTE=thisispain;37745603][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYZre8kEsuw[/media][/QUOTE] this seems like this would be something from the Daily Show with Jon Stewart
[QUOTE=The Baconator;37745871]this seems like this would be something from the Daily Show with Jon Stewart[/QUOTE] Either him or Colbert. If I can't get enough outright republican bashing with Stewart, I go to Colbert to actually hear him say things Republican's say. We have two forms of comedy from the same base source. :v:
Men work to live, not live to work. I remember that from somewhere, I think it applies to actual life, not one Romney is putting in their mouth.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;37745331] "So something that I'd really like to concentrate on in my second term is being in a much more constant conversation with the American people, so that they can put pressure on Congress to help move some of these issues forward," he said.[/QUOTE] He hit the nail on the head right there for me about what is wrong with the government system. It seems completely idiotic that a president can get fairly voted in then constantly be shot down when he wants to do anything. The public should have more of a say in what should and shouldn't be passed.
[QUOTE=Cushie;37746867]The public should have more of a say in what should and shouldn't be passed.[/QUOTE] The public did have a say, they voted in a Republican House majority in 2010.
It's a good statement. Kind of funny because that's typically the mentality Republican voters go by. As in the whole "teach a man to fish" type of deal.
[QUOTE=Death_God;37745347]is romney deliberately trying to fuck himself over[/QUOTE] He already came on TV saying sorry and that he does care about everyone :v:
It's pretty obvious this is just a bunch of propaganda targeting Romney.
[QUOTE=Ern;37745364]No, he's just Republican.[/QUOTE] Agreed, we shouldn't make fun of his handicap like this
[QUOTE=Noble;37746899]The public did have a say, they voted in a Republican House majority in 2010.[/QUOTE]Yes, they said "Democrats should have absolutely no say" and voted in a majority of obstructionist hyper-partisan tea party candidates.
[QUOTE=Doneeh;37748055]It's pretty obvious this is just a bunch of propaganda targeting Romney.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's like Romney will say anything to make Romney look bad, If you believed everything Romney said you would think Romney is a rich bigot who couldn't care less about the lower class.
Well yea, people want hand ups versus handouts. It doesn't seem like Democrats really like that though, since the more privileged a person is, the more likely they are to vote Republican. It's much more simple to keep people in poverty, dependent on a sustinence wage and government hand outs to keep them voting on their party line rather than actually empower people.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37748255]Well yea, people want hand ups versus handouts. It doesn't seem like Democrats really like that though, since the more privileged a person is, the more likely they are to vote Republican. It's much more simple to keep people in poverty, dependent on a sustinence wage and government hand outs to keep them voting on their party line rather than actually empower people.[/QUOTE] I never knew it was the Democrats fault that people still live in poverty, thanks for the information.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37748255]Well yea, people want hand ups versus handouts. It doesn't seem like Democrats really like that though, since the more privileged a person is, the more likely they are to vote Republican. It's much more simple to keep people in poverty, dependent on a sustinence wage and government hand outs to keep them voting on their party line rather than actually empower people.[/QUOTE] Yet statistically more poor whites vote republican than democrat.
[img]http://blueollie.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/why-i-vote-republican.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Ybbats;37748295]I never knew it was the Democrats fault that people still live in poverty, thanks for the information.[/QUOTE] If we were not helping the poor out, they would realize how much it sucks to not be rich and go out and pick up a job from the job factory. I mean if they don't want to go hungry they should just borrow some cash from their parents like a real American.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;37748295]I never knew it was the Democrats fault that people still live in poverty, thanks for the information.[/QUOTE] You missed the point entirely. It isn't solely the Democrat's fault for poverty, but they aren't actually trying to create prosperity with the poorest Americans. [QUOTE=imptastick;37748312]Yet statistically more poor whites vote republican than democrat.[/QUOTE] Yea, because the Republicans mobilize the poor whites since you can't win an election on the rich alone. They use fear, racism, xenophobia, nationalism, and sexism to get a lot of these poor whites into the party. This is especially effective when these guys see the Democratic Party as being more concerned about minorities than about whites.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37748407]You missed the point entirely. It isn't solely the Democrat's fault for poverty, but they aren't actually trying to create prosperity with the poorest Americans. Yea, because the Republicans mobilize the poor whites since you can't win an election on the rich alone. They use fear, racism, xenophobia, nationalism, and sexism to get a lot of these poor whites into the party. This is especially effective when these guys see the Democratic Party as being more concerned about minorities than about whites.[/QUOTE] I would say they are doing more for the poor than the republican party, and so the argument that they are not doing enough is not logically sound as a reason to vote republican. As for the minority concern, I would say they are more about equal rights than unfair attention; unfortunately many poor whites see "We want more minorities to go to college" as "We want less whites to go to college".
[QUOTE=imptastick;37748434]I would say they are doing more for the poor than the republican party, and so the argument that they are not doing enough is not logically sound as a reason to vote republican. As for the minority concern, I would say they are more about equal rights than unfair attention; unfortunately many poor whites see "We want more minorities to go to college" as "We want less whites to go to college".[/QUOTE] It's a sad state in politics when my critique of the Democratic Party is taken as "you should vote for Republicans". I think the Republicans are way worse than the Democrats right now. However, that shouldn't excuse the Democrats of any criticism.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37748610]It's a sad state in politics when my critique of the Democratic Party is taken as "you should vote for Republicans". I think the Republicans are way worse than the Democrats right now. However, that shouldn't excuse the Democrats of any criticism.[/QUOTE] I agree it was wrong of me to make assumptions, but sadly in our current political system your choices are realistically limited to democrat or republican as the system is set up to make in near impossible to have any third party win. As for criticism of democrats I really don't believe they are trying to keep the poor down to stay strong as a party.
[QUOTE=Mortson;37748356][img]http://blueollie.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/why-i-vote-republican.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Off-topic but is putting a comma before 'and' an American thing? here in England we lose points on our english exams for it.
[QUOTE=Zethereal;37748682]Off-topic but is putting a comma before 'and' an American thing? here in England we lose points on our english exams for it.[/QUOTE] We use it sometimes... [url]http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/020204whencommabfand.htm[/url]
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