• House votes in favor of bill to repeal Obamacare
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[QUOTE]The U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday voted largely along party lines to approve a bill by Rep. Bradley Byrne, R-Fairhope, to repeal the Affordable Care Act. The final vote was 239-186, with all but three Republicans in favor and all Democrats opposed. It was the 56th time the House has voted to junk the law known as Obamacare since Congress passed it in 2010. "Obamacare is full of broken promises," Byrne said during the debate on the House floor preceding the vote. Under Byrne's bill, the massive health care reform would be repealed and relevant congressional committees would be charged with devising a replacement. Byrne agreed to an amendment that would delay his repeal from taking effect for 180 days in order to give those committees time to come up with concrete proposals.[/QUOTE] [img]http://media.cagle.com/10/2013/08/03/135509_600.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/02/house_votes_in_favor_of_congre.html[/url] Here we go
Indeed, here we go again. This doesn't mean anything. It'll have to pass in the senate, which it won't. I doubt it'll cause another government shut down, though.
[QUOTE=Article] It was the 56th time the House has voted to junk the law known as Obamacare since Congress passed it in 2010. [/QUOTE] good thing the republicans are hard at work saving america :downs:
Okay, wait, so they'd have 6 months to [I]come up with proposals[/I] before Obamacare gets repealed. [B]How long to implement those fucking proposals?[/B] Proof that Republicans today are more interested in tearing down the other side's work than actually doing what's right. Rip it all down, worry about replacing it sometime later. For fuck's sake. If a Republican president gets elected in 2016 I'm moving to space. There is no country on the planet with indoor plumbing that can get me far enough away from America.
And then the next step is to institute real national healthcare, right?
Seriously why can't the Republicans all just fuck off already, just because they don't like what is most likely they're financial backers getting shafted. I'm not even American and i hate the Republicans from all i read and see, it pisses me off as much as our cunt load of politicians who go over to America and claim the NHS is a pile of shit, i wanna be waiting at the airport so i can fucking kick them in the nuts and send them straight back on the plane and tell them to not fucking come back. Rant over!
[QUOTE=FZE;47071914]And then the next step is to institute real national healthcare, right?[/QUOTE] Nope because thats socialist!!!!
[QUOTE=Source;47071921]Seriously why can't the Republicans all just fuck off already, just because they don't like what is most likely they're financial backers getting shafted. I'm not even American and i hate the Republicans from all i read and see, it pisses me off as much as our cunt load of politicians who go over to America and claim the NHS is a pile of shit, i wanna be waiting at the airport so i can fucking kick them in the nuts and send them straight back on the plane and tell them to not fucking come back. Rant over![/QUOTE] They're panicking since most Americans are slowly starting to realize that Obamacare isn't the big evil thing it was trumped up to be. The longer it goes the less support they'll have, and they know that if they don't stop it within the next administration then there's no way they'll be able to end it without a bipartisan shit storm, and it'll most likely end up becoming Obamas biggest legacy.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47071910]Okay, wait, so they'd have 6 months to [I]come up with proposals[/I] before Obamacare gets repealed. [B]How long to implement those fucking proposals?[/B] Proof that Republicans today are more interested in tearing down the other side's work than actually doing what's right. Rip it all down, worry about replacing it sometime later. For fuck's sake. If a Republican president gets elected in 2016 I'm moving to space. There is no country on the planet with indoor plumbing that can get me far enough away from America.[/QUOTE] Come to Australia, where the liberal party thinks it's 1850 and the labor party doesn't understand the idea of paying debt back
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;47071927]Nope because thats socialist!!!![/QUOTE] I wonder what it would be like if a conservative american politician started posting here "wow imagine helping the lowers rofl realtalk tho fuck off and stop being poor already"
[quote]It was the 56th time the House has voted to junk the law known as Obamacare since Congress passed it in 2010.[/quote] If it didn't work the first 55 times, it's probably not going to work the 56th time. And people wonder why congress has such a low approval rating.
What's kind of astonishing is that the Republican party's built itself around Obama not fulfilling his campaign promises over the past few years, and the second he actually gets one of the major things he promised to do done, they throw a fit and try to get it repealed. Don't complain about him not doing anything if you don't want him to do anything. What a bunch of assholes.
Why does anyone vote republican
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/Escher_Waterfall.jpg[/t] Navigate the great river of US politics with skill and you'll be back at stage 1.
[quote]Byrne agreed to an amendment that would delay his repeal from taking effect for 180 days in order to give those committees time to come up with concrete proposals.[/quote] soooooo a bill written in 3 months is somehow going to be [B]much much[/B] better than anything the democrats [B]AND[/B] republicans spent years devising and delayed 2 years to impliment riiiiiiight.... [editline]4th February 2015[/editline] also i'd be astonished if they didn't just go with the same god damn insurance mandate thats making insurance companies a fucking fortune seeing as how any other way to give healthcare in every other part of the world involves a nationalized healthcare system really i'd love to see how they can provide universal healthcare AND have a free-market approach that isn't exactly what we have right now fuckoff tea-party, there's no way they'd even try to come up with an alternative, they'd just let their own deadline slip then go "well we tried guys, guess we're back to 2007 insurance though, have fun being denied coverage and being dropped for mischecking boxes, not our fault, blame obama for not fixing healthcare"
[QUOTE=woolio1;47072144]What's kind of astonishing is that the Republican party's built itself around Obama not fulfilling his campaign promises over the past few years, and the second he actually gets one of the major things he promised to do done, they throw a fit and try to get it repealed. Don't complain about him not doing anything if you don't want him to do anything. What a bunch of assholes.[/QUOTE] This isnt really exclusive to the republican party. Democrats have done this in the past. Basically, American politics is easily the equivalent of two 5 year olds arguing at a playground.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;47072073]I wonder what it would be like if a conservative american politician started posting here "wow imagine helping the lowers rofl realtalk tho fuck off and stop being poor already"[/QUOTE] that's not why conservatives are against obamacare. obamacare is a shitty compromise where nobody wins except insurance companies and the politicians they paid off. the old system was shit but not near as shit as obamacare. the right move would have either been to deregulate the existing system and allow insurance companies to compete across state lines (which would drive down costs in all states) or to go full on the other way with a european style healthcare system. obamacare doesn't do shit for poor people either.
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GOPHealthPlan_061709.pdf[/url] this is generally what a republican plan will look like, nowhere in there is anything resembling universal healthcare litterally they're expanding tax credits to people who's employers offer it, making it cheaper for employers but not really doing anything about the unemployed, disabled, and employers that flat out fucking don't offer healthcare coverage, nor does it address the current problem of everyone being an "independant" contractor, in fact it does the exact opposite, not encouraging employers to even offer heathcare how can you call this universal healthcare?
[QUOTE=Mr.Moustachio;47072267]Why does anyone vote republican[/QUOTE] because both parties are comprised of big fat stupid babies
[QUOTE=hydrated;47072316]that's not why conservatives are against obamacare. obamacare is a shitty compromise w[B]here nobody wins except insurance companies[/B] and the politicians they paid off. the old system was shit but not near as shit as obamacare. the right move would have either been to deregulate the existing system and [B]allow insurance companies to compete across state lines (which would drive down costs in all states)[/B] or to go full on the other way with a european style healthcare system. obamacare doesn't do shit for poor people either.[/QUOTE] you're contradicting yourself... healthcare costs are enourmously high because of insurance companies, they have created a system where the only way for hospitals to get any money is to charge enourmous prices which insurance companies pay 10% of through negotiations, but it means for uninsured, they pay 100x what something should cost because they're not privy to the insurance premium discount prices if insurance companies are the problem with healthcare... how is expanding the reach and deregulating insurance companies going to fix the problem. you don't fix a leaky pipe by putting a bigger hole in it, you either replace it or patch it, obamacare is a patch
[QUOTE=Sableye;47072335]you're contradicting yourself... healthcare costs are enourmously high because of insurance companies, they have created a system where the only way for hospitals to get any money is to charge enourmous prices which insurance companies pay 10% of through negotiations, but it means for uninsured, they pay 100x what something should cost because they're not privy to the insurance premium discount prices if insurance companies are the problem with healthcare... how is expanding the reach and deregulating insurance companies going to fix the problem. you don't fix a leaky pipe by putting a bigger hole in it, you either replace it or patch it, obamacare is a patch[/QUOTE] I didn't say insurance companies are the problem, I said that insurance companies bribing politicians to pass a law that makes it illegal to not buy their services is the problem.
I hope with every fiber of my being that the Republicans get culled in 2016.
[QUOTE=hydrated;47072344]I didn't say insurance companies are the problem, I said that insurance companies bribing politicians to pass a law that makes it illegal to not buy their services is the problem.[/QUOTE] but the reason why the ACA was passed was specifically because, it is at its base, insurance reform which prevents the gross misconduct insurance companies got away with for decades. ya on the surface it made it illegal technically to not have insurance, but i sincerely doubt insurance companies who have historically fought any sort of reforms for decades, would pay to have all the government regulations and scrutiny that has cut their remarkibly large profit margains by a few % in recent years. remember, insurance companies used to always deny a claim first, now they can't do that because we overwhelmingly demanded something be done about that so ya you want to deregulate insurance companies, and give them more reach, while at the same time, free-market insurance with little regulation doesn't work, never worked, and will never work
[QUOTE=FuriousMonkey;47071969]Come to Australia, where the liberal party thinks it's 1850 and the labor party doesn't understand the idea of paying debt back[/QUOTE] Come to the US where the Republicans think it is 1550 and the Democrats are well meaning but utterly spineless. I swear Republicans keep a bible and a copy of the fucking malleus maleficarum on their nightstand.
Maybe they'll finally be productive if we let them repeal it.
[QUOTE=GunFox;47072536]Come to the US where the Republicans think it is 1550 and the Democrats are well meaning but utterly spineless. I swear Republicans keep a bible and a copy of the fucking malleus maleficarum on their nightstand.[/QUOTE] Right next to Machiavelli.
Can anyone explain why there is so much opposition to obamacare?
[QUOTE=meharryp;47072677]Can anyone explain why there is so much opposition to obamacare?[/QUOTE] 1) it makes the companies who lobby republicans less money 2) it was made by a black person
[QUOTE=E1025;47072816]1) it makes the companies who lobby republicans less money 2) it was made by a black person[/QUOTE] 3) The black guy beat their favoured candidate and "stole" the presidency from them 4) Like hell they're going to let a democrat, much less a black one, do anything
[QUOTE=meharryp;47072677]Can anyone explain why there is so much opposition to obamacare?[/QUOTE] Obama wrote it. That's pretty much it. It has a ton of problems, and it has its benefits, but in the end, the Republicans just hate Obama.
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