• I performed brain surgery on my CPU to lower its temperature 15 degrees
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I still don't understand why Intel uses such a poor TIM for their products. De-lidding and reapplying a new paste does decrease temperatures, but if you incorrectly remove the lid and take the actual cpu with it; you're in trouble.
[QUOTE=KnightVista;52403873]I still don't understand why Intel uses such a poor TIM for their products. De-lidding and reapplying a new paste does decrease temperatures, but if you incorrectly remove the lid and take the actual cpu with it; you're in trouble.[/QUOTE] I got some shitty old cpus at the Salvation Army and tried to delid them. The first delid took a dent right out of the processor. You don't wanna do it to anything you care about the first time.
[QUOTE=KnightVista;52403873]I still don't understand why Intel uses such a poor TIM for their products. De-lidding and reapplying a new paste does decrease temperatures, but if you incorrectly remove the lid and take the actual cpu with it; you're in trouble.[/QUOTE] Because the less money you spend on quality, the more money that goes into your pocket.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52404164]Because they less money you spend on quality, the more money that goes into your pocket.[/QUOTE] Which is ironic as the cheaper Ryzen alternatives do in fact have soldered lids, as I've pointed out in previous threads.
[QUOTE=KnightVista;52403873]I still don't understand why Intel uses such a poor TIM for their products. De-lidding and reapplying a new paste does decrease temperatures, but if you incorrectly remove the lid and take the actual cpu with it; you're in trouble.[/QUOTE] forced obsolescence. :tinfoil: the last mainstream intel cpu to use soldering was the 2500k, and those fuckers last forever.
[QUOTE=meppers;52404312]forced obsolescence. :tinfoil: the last mainstream intel cpu to use soldering was the 2500k, and those fuckers last forever.[/QUOTE] I'm still using a 2500k. :v: And yeah basically Intel did it on purpose as both a cost cutting method and to push for upgrades, its a really dirty tactic but at the time they had basically no competition.
I know that AMD had a bare die in the Thunderbird/Athlon XP days and same with Intel in the Coppermine core chips. I also seem to recall that they were equally fragile chips because with the backside of the die exposed one good chip or two much pressure form the heatsink and the CPU is ruined.
[QUOTE=Reagy;52404320]I'm still using a 2500k. :v: And yeah basically Intel did it on purpose as both a cost cutting method and to push for upgrades, its a really dirty tactic but at the time they had basically no competition.[/QUOTE] Same here and had absolutely no complaints so far. Hope I won't have to upgrade anytime soon.
I literally did this last week to my 6700k. Went perfectly. I used the Rockit 88 delidder though. Using the Rockit is so simple, anyone could probably do it. I followed the video underneath as well. [video=youtube;bwg0HRw17lY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwg0HRw17lY[/video] I had a solid 12-15c drop. It's something to read about online but once you see the drop for yourself, you just think "why isn't Intel improving the TIM?"
[QUOTE=pentium;52404347]I know that AMD had a bare die in the Thunderbird/Athlon XP days and same with Intel in the Coppermine core chips. I also seem to recall that they were equally fragile chips because with the backside of the die exposed one good chip or two much pressure form the heatsink and the CPU is ruined.[/QUOTE] Mm, yah back in Socket 939's heyday we'd delid and just throw the heatsink on right atop the bare die. I never chipped one personally, then again I only ever did it once, and I knew guys that did chip dies.
[QUOTE=trainplane3;52404682]It's something to read about online but once you see the drop for yourself, you just think "why isn't Intel improving the TIM?"[/QUOTE] the better question is: why are they using gutter junk scraped off the street outside the factory in china as TIM?
The only reasons I can think for Intel to continue using shit TIM instead of solder is either cost or the dies can't handle being soldered for whatever reason. I had to de-lid my 4790k due to poor thermals. I'd say it was incredibly easy to do but not something I wanted to do, something about putting an expensive processor into a vice didn't feel right.
I have a 6600k, what should I consider normal idle and high temps? I sit around 40 C idle so I'm not sure if that's worth delidding
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52404894]I have a 6600k, what should I consider normal idle and high temps? I sit around 40 C idle so I'm not sure if that's worth delidding[/QUOTE] What do you max out at during a game? I can say when I was researching about delidding, literally 99.99% of people saw a very solid drop (at least 8-10c minimum). There must've been one person that didn't and it was probably due to them not putting it back together right.
[QUOTE=trainplane3;52404903]What do you max out at during a game? I can say when I was researching about delidding, literally 99.99% of people saw a very solid drop (at least 8-10c minimum). There must've been one person that didn't and it was probably due to them not putting it back together right.[/QUOTE] Running CPU Burner on all 4 threads after about a minute seems to be capping at 51.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52404913]Running CPU Burner on all 4 threads after about a minute seems to be capping at 51.[/QUOTE] That...isn't bad honestly. I'd say let it run for a half hour though. Are you running your fans maxed out to maintain that temp? If you are, delidding would let you have a quiet system while being just a cool.
I wouldn't risk delidding unless you're hitting over 85°C when putting your CPU under load for extended periods of time.
I've delidded probably 50 different processors over the years, only broke about 5, maybe 8 on the high end. so long as you do one that's not known to be a guaranteed cracked die it's pretty foolproof. we used to just throw the heatsink right on the bare die. always worked good, just don't crank down too hard on your cooler bracket
[QUOTE=butre;52405010]I've delidded probably 50 different processors over the years, only broke about 5, maybe 8 on the high end. so long as you do one that's not known to be a guaranteed cracked die it's pretty foolproof[/QUOTE] A 10% failure rate is pretty decent risk for something as expensive as a CPU :v:
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52405025]A 10% failure rate is pretty decent risk for something as expensive as a CPU :v:[/QUOTE] yeah it's a risk but what isn't? the results are good enough to be worth the risk more often than not. these were all cheaper or older cpus that I got my hands on specifically for overclocking though now that they make special tools for it I'm sure the failure rates are near zero. I always just done it with razor blades the old school way.
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