[b]Star Wars: The Force Awakens – initial verdicts suggest 'overwhelming experience' [/b]
[url=http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/dec/15/star-wars-the-force-awakens-first-reactions-suggest-overwhelming-experience]source, includes tweets from all your favourite celebrities[/url]
[quote]There were “smiling faces” from the crowds exiting the Los Angeles premiere of The Force Awakens on Monday night. Amongst these, presumably, were Disney executives ecstatic that the $4bn they paid George Lucas for franchise rights looks to have been a sound investment.
Initial reactions from all three screening rooms where the film was shown for the first time – as well as from social media – suggest that JJ Abrams has the chops to please both critics and fans, and that The Force Awakens may well recoup at least half the $4bn by itself. [/quote]
[b]Carrie Fisher turns red carpet blue and George Lucas gets standing ovation at Star Wars premiere [/b]
[url=http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/dec/15/star-wars-the-force-awakens-premiere-carrie-fisher-turns-red-carpet-blue-and-george-lucas-gets-standing-ovation]source[/url]
[quote]The world premiere of the hugely anticipated Star Wars film, The Force Awakens, was staged on Monday across three cinemas in Los Angeles.
Audiences at the Hollywood and Highland complex reserved their biggest cheers for the stars and creators of the original Star Wars trilogy, which was in cinemas between 1977 and 1983 and ushered in the current blockbuster era. Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill, who will reprise their roles as Leia (now General) Organa, Han Solo and Luke Skywalker, all received huge roars – and there was a standing ovation for Star Wars creator George Lucas.
Disney chief Bob Iger thanked director JJ Abrams for delivering “a film that exceeded even our loftiest dreams and expectations”. Early reaction on social media by premiere attendees suggested the new film could be a hit.
The premiere was one of the most elaborate to take place in Hollywood and was said to involve preparations far beyond those required for the Oscars. Disney erected a huge tent, covering four blocks of Hollywood Boulevard in an effort to maintain secrecy outside the Chinese, Dolby and El Capitan theatres. Security was tight, with metal detectors and police dogs on hand to check bags, as well as 50 police officers. [/quote]
can't say i'm surprised, abrams did a hell of a job on the new star treks
People were happy after TPM premiere as well.
Christ i was afraid they were going to fuck it up, even though all the trailers looked promising.
Good job for Abrams.
:snip: Read it wrong
[QUOTE=Damjen;49321704]People were happy after TPM premiere as well.[/QUOTE]
This. This is the thing to bear in mind.
It was only once people took a step back from the sheer thrill of a new Star Wars movie that The Phantom Menace fell apart under scrutiny.
people applauded Lucas?
what in the fuck didn't he make the prequels
[QUOTE=Scorpo;49321754]people applauded Lucas?
what in the fuck didn't he make the prequels[/QUOTE]
And the original trilogy?
[QUOTE=Wormy;49321762]He did, but he also made Star Wars, so.[/QUOTE]
I suppose, but I wouldn't applaud him for turning the Star Wars backstory into a pile of shit
however I can see where you're coming from
EDIT : I do respect him for the shit he went through making the first movie and the whole Star Wars idea though.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;49321782]And the original trilogy?[/QUOTE]
Empire strikes back wasn't directed by Lucas.
[QUOTE=Scorpo;49321754]people applauded Lucas?
what in the fuck didn't he make the prequels[/QUOTE]
He directed Episode 1 2 and 3 yeah but the whole Star Wars idea is all his work so of course you have to thank the inventor of the whole thing, i mean just remember that George Lucas has (nearly) zero involvement in this new movie as even his original script for Episode 7 got purged and rewritten by someone else (co-writer of Star Wars ep 5 and 6).
People love jumping on the Lucas hating band wagon
I actually like the prequels
[QUOTE=Shadow801;49321816]People love jumping on the Lucas hating band wagon
I actually like the prequels[/QUOTE]
This isn't a band wagon
Those movies were shit
It's been said before but yeah, the prequels objectively aren't the greatest movies. They can be fun to watch for a Star Wars fan though
I pray that this movie is great
I saw one headline that was "Better than the prequels".
Okay and? The prequels are generally considered pretty damn shitty, does this mean TFA is only normally shitty?
I dont want "better than the prequels", I want a good film that can stand on its own as opposed to just nostalgia and being better than the last and hopefully thats what we get.
They said the same thing about fantastic four. Lets just wait until it premieres for the general public before we get a general idea of the consensus
[QUOTE=Shadow801;49321816]People love jumping on the Lucas hating band wagon
I actually like the prequels[/QUOTE]
I watched the Star Wars series for the first time about a month ago so I could have the new movie to look forward to. I didn't really know which was considered bad or good at the time as I'd never paid much attention to the series.
The Phantom Menace literally felt like it was trying so hard to appeal to kids at the time that it fucked the whole film up. Young Anakin was fucking [I]cringe-worthy[/I] especially when he ends up in the fighter near the end. It honestly doesn't take much to know this film was one of the ones that [I]fucking sucked.[/I]
Yeah better than utter shit still leaves you associated with utter shit
I was hoping/expecting for RotJ level: pretty great and solid movie, with a few mistakes in it
I won't know myself until the 18th so here's hoping
[QUOTE=PieClock;49321909]I watched the Star Wars series for the first time about a month ago so I could have the new movie to look forward to. I didn't really know which was considered bad or good at the time as I'd never paid much attention to the series.
The Phantom Menace literally felt like it was trying so hard to appeal to kids at the time that it fucked the whole film up. Young Anakin was fucking [I]cringe-worthy[/I] especially when he ends up in the fighter near the end. It honestly doesn't take much to know this film was one of the ones that [I]fucking sucked.[/I][/QUOTE]
The Phantom Menace was too much focused on merchandise it seems. Before the film was even released you had a serious fuckload of merchandise with Darth Maul on it and in the end that guy had a little rol in TPM and of course he died as well just as fast, including Qui Gon Jinn.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;49321816]People love jumping on the Lucas hating band wagon
I actually like the prequels[/QUOTE]
The first movie had no main character and a story that made literally zero sense. The second one was a jumbled mess that made a shitton of serious assumptions and forced plot advances and [I]super[/I] cringy romances. And the third one was just all around a shittily shot movie that only served to make lucas' failure [I]Cohmpleet[/I]
[QUOTE=darth-veger;49321931]The Phantom Menace was too much focused on merchandise it seems. Before the film was even released you had a serious fuckload of merchandise with Darth Maul on it and in the end that guy had a little rol in TPM and of course he died as well just as fast, including Qui Gon Jinn.[/QUOTE]
Glad I'm not the only one who thought along these lines. But yes, definitely. It felt like Anakin's primary role in the film was to be relatable with the young audience so they would leave wanting to buy all sorts of Jedi merch.
Bob Iger said it was good, guys. WE DID IT!
[QUOTE=Fort83;49321997]No it's a bandwagon now. People blindly hate them to be "cool". Especially those that continue to say the prequels were entirely cgi and green screen[/QUOTE]
shit my brain must've tricked me into thinking i hated those movies
[editline]15th December 2015[/editline]
any and all criticism towards the prequels has just become null and void after fort83's enlightening statement
[QUOTE=Fort83;49321997]No it's a bandwagon now. People blindly hate them to be "cool". Especially those that continue to say the prequels were entirely cgi and green screen[/QUOTE]
It's not necessarily a matter of hating it to be cool. For the most part even to this day I'm pretty good with the phantom menace. Aside from the ending being a tad outlandish I found it to be enjoyable. EP. 2 and 3 are what's shit, and I mostly blame how anakin Skywalker was portrayed. Maybe it's because Hayden Christianson looks like a whiney bitch, maybe it's because George Lucas wrote anakin up as a whiney bitch. Either way Anakin Skywalker was a whiney bitch all the way through when he should have been portrayed as a a boy with a bright future turning cold and dark.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;49321816]People love jumping on the Lucas hating band wagon
I actually like the prequels[/QUOTE]
I don't hate them because it's popular to hate them
I hate them because Lucas is an amazingly bad director and if people didn't constantly tell him not to do something in the originals and he had full power, they would have been awful as well
[QUOTE=Fort83;49321997]No it's a bandwagon now. People blindly hate them to be "cool". Especially those that continue to say the prequels were entirely cgi and green screen[/QUOTE]
What is even the point of this though
the movies WERE entirely green screen and CGI, except for the actors of course
like of course people are going to say that, because it's true. There are tons of movies that do green screen seamlessly, and the prequals absolutely did not.
like is my disliking of the characters invalid because you say people just hate them to be cool now? that's great.
Considering people were utterly blinded by Star Wars fan fuel after prequels and this was a Premiere, it would have to be a literal shit-stain for someone to say something bad initially.
[QUOTE=Fort83;49321997]No it's a bandwagon now. People blindly hate them to be "cool". Especially those that continue to say the prequels were entirely cgi and green screen[/QUOTE]
what the fuck?
is it really a bandwagon when something is so objectively bad that everything that makes it bad has become well documented and analyzed as much as the prequels have?
[quote]especially those that continue to say the prequels were entirely cgi and green screen[/quote]
might help that most of the minor scenes of characters sitting and talking or walking and talking were actually entirely blue screen (for no reason), or that many action sequences where actors had to react to shit that wasn't there and failed miserably due to lack of direction were also the product of messy blue screen usage. when compared to the previous movies in the series that used primarily props, real sets and puppetry, the difference in quality is fucking staggering.
maybe you believe we are jumping on a bandwagon because you enjoyed the prequels. that's fine, dude, but everything has flaws.
I think people who call the hate 'bandwagonning' are trying to justify thinking it isn't objectively an awful series
kind of like how people call Alien: Colonial Marines an amazing game to justify their pre-orders
[QUOTE=Fort83;49321997]No it's a bandwagon now. People blindly hate them to be "cool".[B] Especially those that continue to say the prequels were entirely cgi and green screen[/B][/QUOTE]They were for the most part
~~IMO~~~:
The prequels were terrible but George Lucas is not a terrible human being, just a shitty filmmaker. His ideas gave birth to a franchise that millions cherish and despite staining it with a few bad movies his accomplishments should still be recognized.
Half of these things 'bad' about the prequels, as a child growing up with Star Wars I loved.
1) The cheesy dialogue - as a child, I prefered this. It blended well with my innocent mind. Complicated dialogue as a child would of flown right over my head. It still had the right level of mystique to inspire me.
2) The CGI - I grew up in a world of crazy action films and arguing with my friends about who was the coolest hero in Star Wars (I always leaned towards the Fetts). So to me, the CGI was a plus since it enhanced that.
Honestly they might not appeal to you, but perhaps you were never the intended audience anyway.
People love to hate on George Lucas. It's a popular thing to do.
And yes, the prequels were made for merch. But I don't care - I enjoyed them.
ALTHOUGH
I loved the TPM as a kid, I even had a fucking Jar Jar Binks toy.
But today I can very much agree that film is garbage.
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