• Czech neo-Nazis jailed for arson attack on Roma
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[QUOTE](CNN) -- Four Czech neo-Nazis were sentenced Wednesday to long prison terms and steep fines for an arson attack on the house of a Roma, or Gypsy, family, which nearly killed a 2-year-old girl, the national news agency reported. David Vaculik, Ivo Mueller, Jaromir Lukes and Vaclav Cojocaru were found guilty of throwing Molotov cocktails at the house in April 2009, in an attack to mark Adolf Hitler's birthday, the Czech News Agency reported. Vaculik, Mueller and Lukes each were sentenced to 22 years in a high-security prison. Cojocaru got 20 years. They were also ordered to pay more than 17 million Czech crowns ($968,000) in medical treatment and compensation. All four men filed an appeal immediately, the agency reported. The Ostrava Regional Court in the northeast of the Czech Republic found them guilty of attempted murder and damage to property. Natalka Kudrikova, who was 2 years old at the time of the attack, lost 80 percent of her skin and two fingers (a third was later amputated) and spent months lying in an induced coma after the attack last year in Vitkov, in the Czech Republic. She has undergone at least 14 major surgeries. Her family and authorities say she was targeted because they are Roma, or Gypsies. After police asserted that Natalka's family were victims of a racist attack, many Czechs opened their wallets and their hearts. Then-Prime Minister Jan Fischer's wife and son spearheaded a nationwide campaign to help them -- a move that led to the Fischer family having full-time police protection after they received anonymous death threats. Natalka's mother, Anna Sivakova, expressed surprise at the long sentences but welcomed them, the Czech News Agency said. Prime Minister Petr Necas also praised the result, calling the arsonists' crime serious and reprehensible, the agency said. Vaculik, Mueller and Lukes got longer sentences than the fourth man mainly because they prepared the attack together and had been charged with violent crimes and promoting Nazism in the past, it added. Cojocaru joined the others at the last moment, the court found. Court experts confirmed swastikas and other Nazi memorabilia were found in the defendants' homes. The Czech Republic, like other countries in the region, has a history of violent attacks against Roma, one of the most visible ethnic minority groups in central and eastern Europe. Surveys show anti-Roma sentiment is widespread. The European Union's website says Czech Romas endure extremely high unemployment rates, low educational standards, isolation, and the prejudices of the majority population. In the last two years, nine Roma have been killed in Hungary in unprovoked night-time attacks, according to the European Roma Rights Centre.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/10/20/czech.republic.arson.verdict/index.html[/url]
Why do they call themselves "Neo-Nazis"? Prejudice is as old as history itself.
... Because they're proudly a bunch of massive nazis perhaps?
Emperor Scorpious, a Roma family... there's got to be some irony in there
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;25548990]Emperor Scorpious, a Roma family... there's got to be some irony in there[/QUOTE] To be honest, my family heritage is German, Polish and Irish :v: ....unless you mean something completely different of what I inferred.
Well, someone has to step up to the plate. I wouldn't tolerate gyppos either, but then again, we have private security for that. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("" - TH89))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("" - TH89))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Racism, advocating lynching" - TH89))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;25549015]To be honest, my family heritage is German, Polish and Irish :v: ....unless you mean something completely different of what I inferred.[/QUOTE] I mean by your nickname after a roman emperor, your roman helmet as an avatar and the attack on a Roma family :v:
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;25549221]I mean by your nickname after a roman emperor, your roman helmet as an avatar and the attack on a Roma family :v:[/QUOTE] Roma are actually from India, not the Roman Empire.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;25549221]I mean by your nickname after a roman emperor, your roman helmet as an avatar and the attack on a Roma family :v:[/QUOTE] Roma are absolutely not affiliated in any way with the ancient Romans.
The court seriously absolutely fucked up on this one. And by absolutely I mean exactly this. Naturally these people ought to have been punished, but due to the media coverage of the case, they got exemplary punishments. Our law usually considers examplary punishments to be in between 20-25 years with a possibility of life imprisonment and this case is in absolutely worthy of it. It was attempted murder and not murder, which in itself should prevent any examplary punishments. Basically the judge probably gave them this punishment due to being afraid of being labeled a racist if the punishment would not have been severe enough. Hell even the president is criticising him for the severity right now. Still this thing isn't over yet - this was just the first instance and the lawyers of the 3 have asked for an appeal. My best guess is that the upper court will repeal the current decision and return it back to the lower instance with a recommendation going from 10 to 14 years. At least that's my assumption. So in short - a punishment is right - the severity of the punishment is not.
I live in the city where this happened. It's a beautiful place. By the way, by this, I am not trying to advocate those nazi shitheads, they deserve all of it, but you guys might want to know this. Later, after this incident, there were more unlit bottles of petrol thrown into the houses of the roman families and were reported to police by them. Later, it was proven by the police that those bottles were put there by the roman families themselves, to accuse others of another attempt at crime. That's how they roll.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;25549284]Roma are actually from India, not the Roman Empire.[/QUOTE] I knooooow :P I should have used quotation marks over the "Roma" word [editline]21st October 2010[/editline] Anyway, forgetaboutit :P
To put it into perspective for you Americans, if you ever played Mass Effect, then gypsies are sort of like the Vorcha.
[QUOTE=VintageDinger;25550703]To put it into perspective for you Americans, if you ever played Mass Effect, then gypsies are sort of like the Vorcha.[/QUOTE] Never played Mass Effect.
[QUOTE=not_Morph53;25548738]Why do they call themselves "Neo-Nazis"? Prejudice is as old as history itself.[/QUOTE] Because they're post-war nazis. "New" nazis.
[QUOTE=VintageDinger;25550703]To put it into perspective for you Americans, if you ever played Mass Effect, then gypsies are sort of like the Vorcha.[/QUOTE] You mean underprivileged people who are forced into the worst jobs imaginable because everyone around them treats them like shit? Yeah I can see your analogy.
Alternatively people who get about 200k CZK spend on them per capita annually (the average wage is 20k) manage to trash a number of neighbourhoods in which they live and over time refuse to integrate. To be honest the whole problem is multifaceted. They refuse to integrate into society, society starts viewing them negatively and thus they tend to deintegrate even more. But at the same time this is often a non-personal racist issue. While a large number of people do have problems with the group as a whole, they tend to overcome racist notions towards a large number of the groups members. There's plenty of gypsy doctor's for instance which society treats no differently to other doctors. I mean seriously - we have nine years of compulsive school here. Authorities have problems getting roma kids to be in school for more than five - and they do try. And still the situation here is a lot better than over in Slovakia. Is the attack on this family excuseable? In no way. The attack should be punished according to the law. But at the same time it ought to be punished fairly and as is usual for a crime of this sort. There is a reason why France did what it did.
@wraithcat - There was a very successful pilot program in Romania that was getting their kids educated and into good jobs, but it's being closed down by the government because they don't want to pay for it. So it's not like people are trying very hard to help them.
[QUOTE=VintageDinger;25549080]Well, someone has to step up to the plate. I wouldn't tolerate gyppos either, but then again, we have private security for that. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("" - TH89))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("" - TH89))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Racism, advocating lynching" - TH89))[/highlight][/QUOTE] holy shit that was quick
[QUOTE=Lambeth;25553911]holy shit that was quick[/QUOTE] He'll be back, I'm sure. Just like JDK
Was he an alt of some guy?
[QUOTE=TH89;25553153]@wraithcat - There was a very successful pilot program in Romania that was getting their kids educated and into good jobs, but it's being closed down by the government because they don't want to pay for it. So it's not like people are trying very hard to help them.[/QUOTE] I'm all for these kinds of programs. The problem though runs a bit deeper. You essentially get a community of people who's parents live "decently" in their own eyes with little to no education, little to no work. It creates a certain disrespect for education. Essentially boils down to - if things get paid for us, why would we want to actually improve our situation a certain disrespect if you will. Something like this would create massive issues in any community, regardless of race. These problems only increase in more isolationist communities like the roma one is. The fact that there are more programs targeted at minorities compared to people in need in general doesn't help either. It really is an extremely complex issue and one that cannot be solved overnight. Hell I doubt it can be solved in a decade. The question is where to start.
[QUOTE=TH89;25554545]Was he an alt of some guy?[/QUOTE] Yes. And you perm'd him if I remember correctly. Had some very racist remarks with out quite out right slurs. He trashed the gypsies at ever turn he could. And any other minority at that. Kept the same avatar.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;25554003]He'll be back, I'm sure. Just like JDK[/QUOTE] :smug: [editline]21st October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;25554940]Yes. And you perm'd him if I remember correctly. Had some very racist remarks with out quite out right slurs. He trashed the gypsies at ever turn he could. And any other minority at that. Kept the same avatar.[/QUOTE] He's a Swedish Neo-Nazi or something who thinks that Europe is being taken over by minorities.
How can you commit arson on those which have no homes? (TH89: I'm talking about the Roma subculture, not the race)
[QUOTE=Raneman;25561336]How can you commit arson on those which have no homes? (TH89: I'm talking about the Roma subculture, not the race)[/QUOTE] but they obviously had a house, what are you even trying to say
[QUOTE=TH89;25561606]but they obviously had a house, what are you even trying to say[/QUOTE] I think he's saying that all Romanies are nomadic.
[QUOTE=Raneman;25561336]How can you commit arson on those which have no homes? (TH89: I'm talking about the Roma subculture, not the race)[/QUOTE] A "home" and a "house" don't always have to be the same thing. A home is a dwelling. Why not a tent? A shack?
[QUOTE=Raneman;25561336]How can you commit arson on those which have no homes? (TH89: I'm talking about the Roma subculture, not the race)[/QUOTE] I'd say the time of nomadic gypsies is long past in central europe. Was mostly cancelled out by the Austrian monarchy with laws punishing vagrancy. I'd say the vast majority of Roma do have permanent abodes.
[QUOTE=VintageDinger;25549080]Well, someone has to step up to the plate. I wouldn't tolerate gyppos either, but then again, we have private security for that. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("" - TH89))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("" - TH89))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Racism, advocating lynching" - TH89))[/highlight][/QUOTE] overkill mate
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