James Mattis Freezes Transgender Policy; Allows Troops to Continue Serving, Pending Study
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[QUOTE]Defense Secretary Jim Mattis late Tuesday announced that transgender troops will be allowed to continue serving in the military pending the results of a study by experts.
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"Once the panel reports its recommendations and following my consultation with the secretary of Homeland Security, I will provide my advice to the president concerning implementation of his policy direction," Mattis said in the statement. "In the interim, current policy with respect to currently serving members will remain in place."
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The president [...] directed Mattis to study the issue and determine how to implement Trump's direction. It was assailed by advocates for transgender troops who called it discriminatory, and the American Civil Liberties Union has filed suit against it.[/QUOTE]
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I will update with additional sources as they become available to me.
Just goes to show Trump has no power.
i'm excited for him to be fired a week from now
Mad dog for president
What evil fuck is gonna replace him now? Vlad the Impaler?
[QUOTE=Judas;52627964]i'm excited for him to be fired a week from now[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure only congress can remove him, and given his massive popularity among current and ex-soldiers as well as a lot of regular folk that would be some shit.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52627966]Mad dog for president[/QUOTE]
At this point, he'd probably do a better job than the parasite or Pence.
This is fantastic to hear. I'm glad there are still some adults in the room.
[QUOTE=Judas;52627964]i'm excited for him to be fired a week from now[/QUOTE]
If he does get fired, Trump loses the support of a decent amount of the Military. Granted, should that happen, this might be a good thing in the long run if Trump loses even more support and people feel more comfortable throwing out the idea of impeaching him.
What mattis has done here has nothing to do with the transgender ban. Trans people still can't join the military, all he's saying is "we arent going to kick active transgender service members out of the military until the study is concluded"
[QUOTE=Judas;52627964]i'm excited for him to be fired a week from now[/QUOTE]
adn thats how trump drops his ratings by 10-20 points
getting rid of mad dog would be political suicide
[QUOTE=Judas;52627993]What mattis has done here has nothing to do with the transgender ban. Trans people still can't join the military, all he's saying is "we arent going to kick active transgender service members out of the military until the study is concluded"[/QUOTE]
In the context of what could've been, I still consider this as good-enough news as long as currently enlisted Transgendered soldiers can still serve.
[QUOTE=Wii60;52628011]adn thats how trump drops his ratings by 10-20 points
getting rid of mad dog would be political suicide[/QUOTE]
Would his ratings drop? Mostly likely, yes. But, political suicide? Like half of what Trump has done should have been considered political suicide. "Grab her by the pussy," firing Comey, and a countless onslaught of other controversies should have been political suicide but they weren't. It would hurt him but it wouldn't outright act as a "suicide" to his political career sadly.
Untouchable Mad Dog saves the day! God bless this marvelous bastard.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52627966]Mad dog for president[/QUOTE]
Chaos for military coup.
[QUOTE=Wii60;52628011]adn thats how trump drops his ratings by 10-20 points
getting rid of mad dog would be political suicide[/QUOTE]
pretty sure everything trump has done is political suicide but he doesnt care.
[QUOTE=Naught;52628094]pretty sure everything trump has done is political suicide but he doesnt care.[/QUOTE]
If he really is a Putin puppet after all, his endgame is to bring the US down with him. The ultimate goal is diminishing America's power and destabilizing it as hard as possible.
If America has to spend the next 10 years having long and difficult conversations about reforming its democracy and health care and economic ideas, one way or another, that's a decade of ineffective organization and greatly diminished international reach. Just the way certain ambitious world leaders would like it.
Saint Mattis ain't taking none of this shit.
Good, imo if you can pass certification, then make it through boot camp, you are fit to serve in the military.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52628103]If he really is a Putin puppet after all, his endgame is to bring the US down with him. The ultimate goal is diminishing America's power and destabilizing it as hard as possible.
If America has to spend the next 10 years having long and difficult conversations about reforming its democracy and health care and economic ideas, one way or another, that's a decade of ineffective organization and greatly diminished international reach. Just the way certain ambitious world leaders would like it.[/QUOTE]
It's possible, and I think likely, that Trump is an unwitting puppet – groomed by Putin to ease sanctions on Russia. He doesn't have to be a sleeper agent when you can just appeal to his narcissism.
Coup d'état when? At this point the military would do a better job, perhaps James has enough constitution left in him to actually restore democracy once Trump is out of office.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;52627920]Fucking thank you.
Every good thing to come out of the Trump administration has not come from Trump himself, that's weird.[/QUOTE]
indirectly the best president by being the worst?
[QUOTE=Megadave;52628400]Coup d'état when? At this point the military would do a better job, perhaps James has enough constitution left in him to actually restore democracy once Trump is out of office.[/QUOTE]
No. No we wouldn't. Plus, the military would never do it. That's highly illegal, and absolutely unnecessary in this case.
um isn't the homeland security director spot vacant at this time?
[editline]30th August 2017[/editline]
ha, ya it is, and with the logjam in congress and trumps inability to nominate people its gonna be years before that slot gets filled
[QUOTE=SKEEA;52628454]No. No we wouldn't. Plus, the military would never do it. That's highly illegal, and absolutely unnecessary in this case.[/QUOTE]
You have to admit though, this is exactly what a democracy on the verge of total collapse looks like. Some people have lost so much confidence in the American system of government that they're openly calling for a military takeover. If things aren't rectified soon, it can only get worse.
Mattis was reportedly very impressed by Trump's order and will stick it up on the fridge so that he can look at it every day
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;52629220][B]You have to admit though, this is exactly what a democracy on the verge of total collapse looks like.[/B] Some people have lost so much confidence in the American system of government that they're openly calling for a military takeover. If things aren't rectified soon, it can only get worse.[/QUOTE]
What.
Seriously, what?
Nothing even remotely resembles "the verge of total collapse" anywhere, not even in Houston, which is currently under give-or-take ten feet of water.
There is still a glut of food on consumer's shelves, the economy is currently on an upward trend (regardless of whatever issues it faces), the "big bad dictator president >:(" is under a thorough investigation which grows by the day, the military is conscientious and run by a well respected as well as dutiful commander, and no matter what the news tells you, violence of virtually all types is at a historical low just going off of raw figures.
Let me put it like this.
In 1979, with a gasoline crisis, active communist terror cells bombing public buildings, open protests that culminated in race riots which killed double-digits of people easily, and more, America looked closer to collapse than it does now.
So what, in god's name, motivates you to say America, "looks like it's on the brink of collapse"? Posts on Punchbook and Twumblr? Who are these "people" calling for a military take over? What power do they have?
Serious question.
[QUOTE=Megadave;52628400]Coup d'état when? At this point the military would do a better job, perhaps James has enough constitution left in him to actually restore democracy once Trump is out of office.[/QUOTE]
how do you mean restore democracy? trump is a democratically elected official. America is also still a democracy last I heard
so what are you guys praising mattis going to be saying if he looks at this study and goes "ye actually lets ban them from serving"
i feel you are probably calling it a bit early, its not like he's just straight up went "its not happening period"
[QUOTE=Marzipas;52629495]so what are you guys praising mattis going to be saying if he looks at this study and goes "ye actually lets ban them from serving"
i feel you are probably calling it a bit early, its not like he's just straight up went "its not happening period"[/QUOTE]
Waiting for a study by experts to provide insight rather than acting purely on emotion indicates a level-headedness scarcely seen in this administration.
Shit will be flung his way if the outcome isn't satisfactory but this is still better than what you could expect.
[QUOTE=Marzipas;52629495]so what are you guys praising mattis going to be saying if he looks at this study and goes "ye actually lets ban them from serving"
i feel you are probably calling it a bit early, its not like he's just straight up went "its not happening period"[/QUOTE]
I'd say "Well, if he personally thinks trans people as a whole should not serve, there's not much to say. After all, he's someone with lot of respect in the military so there probably is good reason for decision. At least he waited for an actual report and made his decision based on that like a proper leader should, unlike the bigot-in-command."
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52629476]how do you mean restore democracy? trump is a democratically elected official. America is also still a democracy last I heard[/QUOTE]
Although the states are gerrymandered to hell so representatives don't have to worry about getting thrown out. You also have a party and president who is actively trying to make the problem of gerrymandering worse
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