Illegal Immigrants (Border Jumpers)=1 Major Cause of Deficient Economy
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First Let Me Start off, i am not a southerner who hates mexicans, blacks, etcc.
I am not trying to be racist and i am not trying too, again, im not trying to be racist. SO dont post stuff like "Oh racist, im reporting youu!!"
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But what im trying to explain is that, Illegal immigrants aka border jumpers (Mostly Mexicans, Not meaning Canadians) are a major cause of our deficient economy.
The I.N.S (Immigration and neutralization service) doesn't care about it, they just let them in, since they dont think its worth the effort to stop them, and Obama passes a law stating: California allows college aid to illegal immigrants, which totally makes the economy way worse.
Millions and Millions dollars speaking here about (600 Million possibly) just to lock up illegal immigrats, and billions and billions to pay them financial aid, which is even stupider, because they just go back to mexico to pay their family which just exactly wastes our American money.
So my idea is: Hey America open your eyes here, you know whats going on! But yet the president and the government do nothing to stop it, and we wonder why we are in a deficient economy of $14,790,340,328,557.15 (15 TRILLION!) Maybe 1-5 Trillion to the immigrants.
So how bout deport the illegals, unfix the law, and fix our economy!
I just felt like posting this under frustration and stupidity of our fellow leaders, post what you think about this.
*major debate now*
Okay.
Not a very well written OP, but yes, illegal immigration is bad for the economy.
Actually you're really wrong on this but seeing as you provided no examples of anything on this other than your little anecdotal blurb there's really nothing to refute.
If you're going to start a debate at least provide some evidence rather than just be incredibly childish and angsty.
Let's just say we hypothetically legalize all currently illegal immigrants. That's plenty of taxpayers, plenty of workers, and plenty of new American citizens. Really the only half thought out criticism of this you can muster is "they take American jobs!!", which frankly isn't too great an argument.
The amount the US spends on Mexicans is insignificant to the war on drugs (one of the major causes of immigration from Mexico to the US), and the US defence budget.
Wait, is this Mass Debate or Mass Slurry of Uneducated Ramblings and Racism?
illegal immigrants work for far less than the average american, the average american will not work in a field
no really, no one will, we depend on illegals to work our fields for cheap or else we'd have expensive as fuck produce, and that'd fuck with the economy far worse than it is now
90% of U.S workers benefit from immigration with annual wage gains somewhere between $30 billion and $80 billion overall.
[url=http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/cea/cea_immigration_062007.html]Source.[/url]
A 2006 study in North Carolina showed that Hispanic immigrants improved the economy by $9 billion for a cost of $61 million.
[url=http://www.kenan-flagler.unc.edu/assets/documents/2006_KenanInstitute_HispanicStudy.pdf]Source.[/url]
1.4 million undocumented workers in Texas added an estimated $17.7 billion to Gross State Product in 2005.
[url=http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/undocumented.pdf]Source.[/url]
Illegal immigrants are in no way responsible for the economic situation in the USA, they are in fact beneficial economically.
Immigration only serves for benefit, many immigrants go to the United States not only for security from the shitholes they used to live in, but also to get a job because the "American dream" still floats around these days. So we have more (and cheaper) employment for businesses to benefit from, and this helps stimulate growth in the economy. If they are legal immigrants, that is more tax payers and of course increased government revenue. While some immigrants will leach off of the system, I can assure you that plenty don't. Here in Australia, I've never seen any immigrant being a dole-bludger. Never.
All those illegal immigrants a providing an essential service for the economy, working for below minimum wage for increased profits, true captains of industry they are
If you have to say that you're not being racist twice and, in the process, you say "colored people", you're probably racist.
Also illegal immigrants pay a [I]lot[/I] in taxes.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32694459]Let's just say we hypothetically legalize all currently illegal immigrants. That's plenty of taxpayers, plenty of workers, and plenty of new American citizens. Really the only half thought out criticism of this you can muster is "they take American jobs!!", which frankly isn't too great an argument.[/QUOTE]
How about "It's diluting American wealth because all the illegal immigrants are poor"
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[QUOTE=DOG-GY;32699135]Also illegal immigrants pay a [I]lot[/I] in taxes.[/QUOTE]
Not true, most work under the table and thus only pay sales tax which is pretty much irrelevant based on the amount of money they spend (hint: barely any)
I wouldn't have a problem with it were it not for the fact that it is difficult to tax them. Taxes suck, but they are necessary. Everyone pays them, nobody lives in this country for free.
It cant possibly be the thing that affects your economy the most at all
[QUOTE='[LOA] SonofBrim;32701148']I wouldn't have a problem with it were it not for the fact that it is difficult to tax them. Taxes suck, but they are necessary. Everyone pays them, nobody lives in this country for free.[/QUOTE]
Except for the almost half of American households that don't pay any income taxes.
They have far more of an economic impact than illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants are also less likely to use public services, so while they pay less in taxes, they also cost less.
[url]http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.rand.org/news/press/2006/11/14.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Rankxerox;32701150]It cant possibly be the thing that affects your economy the most at all[/QUOTE]
It's definitely not, but the effect is there.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;32701010]Not true, most work under the table and thus only pay sales tax which is pretty much irrelevant based on the amount of money they spend (hint: barely any)[/QUOTE]
actually they pay roughly 7 billion into social security with no benefits from it as well as the majority of them paying the regular state, local, and federal taxes
in fact they almost certainly pay more into public coffers than they cost in social services
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;32701423]actually they pay roughly 7 billion into social security with no benefits from it as well as the majority of them paying the regular state, local, and federal taxes
in fact they almost certainly pay more into public coffers than they cost in social services[/QUOTE]
Any sources on this that cite specifically mexican citizens as the source of the taxes being payed?
[QUOTE=DanTehMan;32707924]Any sources on this that cite specifically mexican citizens as the source of the taxes being payed?[/QUOTE]
Well here's something.
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[url=http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/undocumented.pdf]Source.[/url]
I don't really think is a major cause to the economic crysis, but most border jumpers tend to stick together and create their own community inside the existing one. Hard to get job, studies and proper things to do. Eventually it might lead to crime.
Either stop it all together with bat shit insane methods, or fix it with bat shit insane integration. Neither will work that efficiently.
Let's just fix mexico instead.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32694459]Let's just say we hypothetically legalize all currently illegal immigrants. That's plenty of taxpayers, plenty of workers, and plenty of new American citizens. Really the only half thought out criticism of this you can muster is "they take American jobs!!", which frankly isn't too great an argument.[/QUOTE]
They don't, and they take the jobs nobody else will even touch (i.e - construction, landscaping, etc.)
So in a way they benefit our economy and society. Unfortunately, republicans and the teabags don't get that.
I'm tempted to submit the OP's post to RSTDT. The racism is so thinly veiled it's pathetic.
Maybe if the USA stopped waging wars there would be less economic and civil problems...
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32695488]If you have to say that you're not being racist twice and, in the process, you say "colored people", you're probably racist.[/QUOTE]
And here is exhibit A, AKA forum poster who doesn't know what racism actually means.
[quote=Wikipedia]Racism is the belief that there are inherent different traits in human racial groups which justify discrimination.[/quote]
Racism is not actually what most people seem to think it is. It's the belief that, based off of skin color and nothing else, a person is inferior to another person of different skin color. Most people nowadays either confuse stereotyping for racism entirely or get the two mixed up into a whole new mess.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;32727831]Racism is not actually what most people seem to think it is. It's the belief that, based off of skin color and nothing else, a person is inferior to another person of different skin color. Most people nowadays either confuse stereotyping for racism entirely or get the two mixed up into a whole new mess.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to th89
Anywho, lol to the "OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA" then within a few posts have the argument completely destroyed.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;32727831]And here is exhibit A, AKA forum poster who doesn't know what racism actually means.
Racism is not actually what most people seem to think it is. It's the belief that, based off of skin color and nothing else, a person is inferior to another person of different skin color. Most people nowadays either confuse stereotyping for racism entirely or get the two mixed up into a whole new mess.[/QUOTE]
That isn't the only definition of racism, yes zeke knows what racism is and the op was racist.
Your argument is totally invalid because you're drawing links between unrelated issues. You are trying to argue that we can't host more people because we have a bad economy. However, it is not immigration which put the country into such a bad financial situation. That is to say: Immigration isn't the problem; the bad economy is.
If a school has small classrooms and not enough teachers, do you stop letting students come, or do you build bigger classrooms and hire more teachers? Fix the problem, don't avoid it.
I think it's the large amounts of money that "vanishes" all the time that makes economies crumble.. I'm not sure what you call that phenomenon, if it's even anything worth to mention?
But.. I Guess there's something to it when just a handful of people have more money than millions of people.
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