Israeli soldiers assault Reuters cameramen, force them to strip, suffocate them with tear gas, and s
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20724966[/url]
[quote=BBC News][B]Reuters news agency has accused Israeli soldiers of hitting two of its cameramen and forcing them to strip in the West Bank city of Hebron.[/B]
Yousri al-Jamal and Mamoun Wazwaz said they were stopped near a checkpoint where a Palestinian teenager had been shot dead by an Israeli border guard.
The soldiers then allegedly struck them with their rifles and made them strip before letting off a tear-gas canister.
The Israeli military said it had ordered an investigation.
Tensions have been running high in Hebron in the past week following repeated clashes between soldiers and stone-throwing youths.
Hebron is home to about 180,000 Palestinians and some 500 Jewish settlers who live in the centre of the city, guarded by Israeli troops.
Israeli police said the teenager was shot dead on Thursday after he attacked an Israeli border guard and threatened him with what turned out to be a metal toy pistol.
[B]'Assault and humiliation'[/B]
Reuters said its cameramen had driven towards the scene of the shooting in a car which was clearly marked "TV". They were also both wearing blue flak jackets with "Press" on the front.
After being stopped by an Israeli military foot patrol, they were forced to leave the vehicle and struck with the butts of the soldiers' rifles, the cameramen said.
The cameramen said the soldiers did not let them produce their official media ID papers and forced them to strip down to their underwear, making them kneel on the road with their hands behind their heads.
Two other Palestinian journalists working for local news organisations were also stopped and forced to the ground, they said.
One of the soldiers then dropped a tear-gas canister between the men and the Israeli patrol ran away, having taken a video camera and their gas masks, the Reuters cameramen added.
More tear gas was allegedly fired as the men tried to escape. Mr Wazwaz was overwhelmed by the fumes and had to be taken to hospital.
"We deplore the mistreatment of our journalists and have registered our extreme dismay with the Israeli military authorities," said Stephen Adler, editor-in-chief of Reuters News.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it took the allegations seriously.
"The regional brigade commander was ordered to open an investigation," spokeswoman Col Avital Leibovich told Reuters in an email.
The Foreign Press Association in Israel said it condemned in the strongest terms the alleged assault.
"Press freedom is the signal of a civilised nation. The assault and humiliation of reporters trying to do their work is unacceptable and falls far, far below the standards that the IDF says it adheres to," it added.[/quote]
[quote]"Press freedom is the signal of a civilised nation. The assault and humiliation of reporters trying to do their work is unacceptable and falls far, far below the standards that the IDF says it adheres to," it added.[/quote]
I don't know how true that rings, considering Israel has been acting like anything [b]but[/b] civilized as of late.
How did Netanyahu describe the IDF?
The most humane armed force in the world? I can't remember.
What the fuck?
this is what happens when you send conscripts to modern war against an irregular enemy
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38831136]this is what happens when you send conscripts to modern war against an irregular enemy[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty big conclusion to one little incident.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38831183]That's a pretty big conclusion to one little incident.[/QUOTE]
mmm I'm pretty sure there's plenty of similar incidents
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38831183]That's a pretty big conclusion to one little incident.[/QUOTE]
Well it isn't.
That big report made by the US army on the IDF said pretty much the same thing.
That sending badly trained soldiers led by badly trained officers into a shoehorned police role in the West Bank and elsewhere has greatly degraded the IDF's general ability.
Oh, so they die from the suffocation.
That's good
[editline]oops[/editline]
I meant to say didn't die*
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38831210]Well it isn't.
That big report made by the US army on the IDF said pretty much the same thing.
That sending badly trained soldiers led by badly trained officers into a shoehorned police role in the West Bank and elsewhere has greatly degraded the IDF's general ability.[/QUOTE]
A big report, sure. But it's a bit hard to conclude that's the definite cause of this incident simply from reading a news article on it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38831257]A big report, sure. But it's a bit hard to conclude that's the definite cause of this incident simply from reading a news article on it.[/QUOTE]
So you don't think there is a greater overarching problem?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38831274]So you don't think there is a greater overarching problem?[/QUOTE]
I do. I just don't think it can be concluded that them being conscripts lead to the incident in the article.
The article doesn't state whether they were conscripts or not. So how can what trotskygrad said be 100% definitely right?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38831257]A big report, sure. But it's a bit hard to conclude that's the definite cause of this incident simply from reading a news article on it.[/QUOTE]
Have you missed all the shit going down between Israel and Palestine?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38831342]I do. I just don't think it can be concluded that them being conscripts lead to the incident in the article.
The article doesn't state whether they were conscripts or not. So how can what trotskygrad said be 100% definitely right?[/QUOTE]
He said a general comment about a general problem.
Pull the rod out of your arse.
The Most Moral Army In The World™
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38831342]
The article doesn't state whether they were conscripts or not. So how can what trotskygrad said be 100% definitely right?[/QUOTE]
I can't but it definitely seems like something conscripts would do, hence my assumption
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38831361]He said a general comment about a general problem.
Pull the rod out of your arse.[/QUOTE]
I read it as about the specific event in the article.
I guess I simply misread his meaning.
[QUOTE=Lamar;38831411]The Most Moral Army In The World™[/QUOTE]
That that's the USMC. :v:
Regarding conscripts doing stupid shit just look back at Vietnam. Conscripts doing stupid shit is bound to happen in Palestine.
If you read the article the soldiers had supposedly killed a kid who was throwing stones at them and pointing a toy gun at them. They probably panicked when the reporters came, its not every day you get interviewed about killing a kid.
Israel is just as uncivilized as their fundamentalist neighbours.
[quote]Tensions have been running high in Hebron in the past week following repeated clashes between soldiers and stone-throwing youths.[/quote]
oh shit no not stones
open fire
[QUOTE=zombojoe;38831651]They probably panicked when the reporters came, its not every day you get interviewed about killing a kid.[/QUOTE]
Extensively torturing media personnel is not a reaction from "panic"
[editline]14th December 2012[/editline]
what a dumb, idiotic, israeli-apologist post
[QUOTE=Starpluck;38832022]
what a dumb, idiotic, israeli-apologist post[/QUOTE]
I think it's more innocent ignorance than that. That's a bit harsh imho.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38832171]I think it's more innocent ignorance than that. That's a bit harsh imho.[/QUOTE]
Disdain for people who try to belittle or otherwise justify despicable acts like these is justified.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;38832193]Disdain for people who try to belittle or otherwise justify horrible acts like these is justified.[/QUOTE]
I think you're overreacting just a little :v:
I was "panicking" after seeing such a dumb post
Shooting and killing a teen is not a good thing, but neither is throwing stones at armed men and threatening them with what one could mistake as a real gun. Arguing about which one is worse is just plain retarded. The world is not black and white and I really wish Starpluck could open his eyes to see that.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;38831651]That that's the USMC. :v:
Regarding conscripts doing stupid shit just look back at Vietnam. Conscripts doing stupid shit is bound to happen in Palestine.
If you read the article the soldiers had supposedly killed a kid who was throwing stones at them and pointing a toy gun at them. They probably panicked when the reporters came, its not every day you get interviewed about killing a kid.[/QUOTE]
"JAMES IT'S A REPORTER MAN, FUCK MAN MY PALMS ARE SWEATING!"
"Relax Dave, I've got this, we've got tear gas and we can strip them naked and beat them, there's nothing to worry about."
"Wow thanks James, you always put my mind at ease."
[QUOTE=zombojoe;38832659]Shooting and killing a teen is not a good thing, but neither is throwing stones at armed men and threatening them with what one could mistake as a real gun. Arguing about which one is worse is just plain retarded. The world is not black and white and I really wish Starpluck could open his eyes to see that.[/QUOTE]
From what I'm reading he hasn't passed any judgement on that incident, he only talked about the journalists that were assaulted
Plot twist: Israel is the terrorist
No, John. You are the enemies.
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