Innocent Man shot 20 times while in bed by police - Dept. of Corrections says "Justified"
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[url="http://www.king5.com/news/investigators/Police-shooting-could-cost-taxpayers-millions-200657821.html"]K5 News (King County)[/url]
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Just another day on the job...
Yeah somedays I really don't want to get out of the bed, as well.
When some kid working at mcdonalds fucks up, your burger is missing lettuce.
When cops fuck up, people die.
They should make a new system to prevent these kinds of things from happening.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40144350]When some kid working at mcdonalds fucks up, your burger is missing lettuce.
When cops fuck up, people die.
They should make a new system to prevent these kinds of things from happening.[/QUOTE]
Except in this case the guy did not die. He is instead basically a sack of broken bones, and he has no hope for recovery to 'work'ing condition.
At least he's alive, the cops might actually get in trouble this time.
(who am i kidding of course they won't, all the cops are going to defend the two that shot him up and they're going to try and bury everything by saying the guy was reaching into his mattress to grab a gun that wasn't there)
before this thread goes any further, please do not start a rant about all cops being corrupt.
I can understand why this happened, but it's still a horrible case of shoot first, ask later.
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I get the feeling this is fake.
Missing in the title: Guy was asked if he had any weapons, he said yes and then reached into the mattress
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;40144526]Missing in the title: Guy was asked if he had any weapons, he said yes and then reached into the mattress[/QUOTE]
Missing in your post: Police did not properly identify themselves or have authority to go in his room.
Here is the article:
[url]http://www.king5.com/news/investigators/Police-shooting-could-cost-taxpayers-millions-200657821.html[/url]
This is sad.
All I will be saying.
If 2 random guys are appearing in my bedroom, waking me with the if I got any weapons and yell at me, of course I try to defend myself or try something to distract those two GUYS... robbers? rapists!?!
What did the cops expect?
Sorry to start this but US cops are most likely overreacting and start answering with violence and this goes on and on and on for years. If it's shooting people, kicking them to the ground or tasering them for not being able to turn around with a broken leg
I think they should start rethinking who to pick for the force and rethinking HOW to train them for such situations.
[QUOTE=DMGaina;40144896]If 2 random guys are appearing in my bedroom, waking me with the if I got any weapons and yell at me, of course I try to defend myself or try something to distract those two GUYS... robbers? rapists!?!
What did the cops expect?
Sorry to start this but US cops are most likely overreacting and start answering with violence and this goes on and on and on for years. If it's shooting people, kicking them to the ground or tasering them for not being able to turn around with a broken leg
I think they should start rethinking who to pick for the force and rethinking HOW to train them for such situations.[/QUOTE]
While I agree that the situation is far from perfect, thinking they just need to pick better people is naive.
Police has to work with the people who apply for the job.The less people applies, the less people can they turn down. To get more people to apply, they would have to increase the salaries. And it's not like they have a big load of dosh to spare.
If someone jumped on me in the middle of the night shouting PUT YOUR HANDS UP I would be confused and try to reach for a light source.
Try putting your self in his position
[quote]Then-Sheriff Steve Strachan defended the shooting. "He [Theoharis] made reference to having three guns, and the deputy and the officer felt threatened."[/quote]
If you felt threatened you don't put [b]16 goddamn bullets[/b] in someone. How in the [b][i]FUCK[/i][/b] is that justified!?
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40145239]If you felt threatened you don't put [b]16 goddamn bullets[/b] in someone. How in the [b][i]FUCK[/i][/b] is that justified!?[/QUOTE]
You shoot him once and then check to see if he's dead right??
Please know the first thing about police procedure before posting in one of these threads thank you
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40144540]Missing in your post: Police did not properly identify themselves or have authority to go in his room.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Theoharis had not committed a crime--police entered his room to search for weapons after arresting someone else at the Auburn home.[/quote]
Seems like he knew the police were there, and they were already in the house.
[quote]"He looked back and forth at Kris and I and Kris asked him if he had any weapons. And he said yes," Thompson said in a recorded statement describing the shooting.
"Both of us were shouting at him, 'Put your hands up! Put your hands up! Put your hands up!'" Thompson continued. "And he stopped and looked at us and then he jammed his hand like he was reaching. I thought he was probably reaching between the mattress and box spring to get something and that's when we started shooting."[/quote]
[editline]3rd April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40145239]If you felt threatened you don't put [b]16 goddamn bullets[/b] in someone. How in the [b][i]FUCK[/i][/b] is that justified!?[/QUOTE]
If he kept reaching, they're going to keep shooting. Shoot until the threat is no more.
[QUOTE=scout1;40145326]You shoot him once and then check to see if he's dead right??
Please know the first thing about police procedure before posting in one of these threads thank you[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you make sure to kill the guy 16 times.
[QUOTE=pkhzor;40145386]Yeah, you make sure to kill the guy 16 times.[/QUOTE]
He survived the 16 shots, so it wasn't overkill in that sense.
The police didn't follow proper procedure but I can understand how a scenario like this can happen, the guys actions taken into account and everything. Small and understandable mistakes leading to one huge mistake.
[QUOTE=mac338;40145464]He survived the 16 shots, so it wasn't overkill in that sense.
The police didn't follow proper procedure but I can understand how a scenario like this can happen.[/QUOTE]
Hope they get praised for their valiant effort at least..
Every time there is yet another story about members of the US law enforcement acting like a bunch of untrained goons with guns I say to myself 'Well, this shows that something is clearly wrong with police training and if anyone can't see that it couldn't get more obvious' Then something more obviously fucked happens. I mean, how much worse can you screw up? Wait, forget I asked, I don't want to know.
If you're constantly put your own safety above the safety of whoever is involved in the crime, culprit or victim, based on baseless assumptions and, of all things, fear, you should not be considered a trained professional with the authority to make life or death choices, simple as that.
Why does police exist? So you have people who put their life on the line to defuse emergency situations. Yes, that's dangerous and you can potentially die from not prematurely shooting a person 20 times but that's the reason why noone is forced to become an officer. That's why it's your choice to pursue a law enforcement career or not, if you don't thing you'd risk your life for that of potentially a criminal. This is obviously an aspect that is not a big enough part of police training and employment
[QUOTE=DMGaina;40144896]If 2 random guys are appearing in my bedroom, waking me with the if I got any weapons and yell at me, of course I try to defend myself or try something to distract those two GUYS... robbers? rapists!?!
What did the cops expect?
Sorry to start this but US cops are most likely overreacting and start answering with violence and this goes on and on and on for years. If it's shooting people, kicking them to the ground or tasering them for not being able to turn around with a broken leg
I think they should start rethinking who to pick for the force and rethinking HOW to train them for such situations.[/QUOTE]
Adachi-baby, still got so much to learn...
Why the hell would you even shoot a guy in his bed 20 times? [B]EVEN IF HE WAS REACHING FOR A GUN[/B], two cops could of either tackled him before he drew or tasered him.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;40146361]Why the hell would you even shoot a guy in his bed 20 times? [B]EVEN IF HE WAS REACHING FOR A GUN[/B], two cops could of either tackled him before he drew or tasered him.[/QUOTE]
I think you underestimate just how fast you can put a weapon into battery from a concealed position. They already had weapons trained on him, so you meet deadly force with deadly force. You take no chances when dealing with firearms or the possibility of firearms being used against you.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;40146361]Why the hell would you even shoot a guy in his bed 20 times? [B]EVEN IF HE WAS REACHING FOR A GUN[/B], two cops could of either tackled him before he drew or tasered him.[/QUOTE]
No, they couldn't. Or at least, they couldn't know it. Firing 10 bullets from a drawn weapon is arguably faster than doing any kind of tackling or tasering. As stupid as it is, they have to assume the guy is armed to his teeth and any sudden moves warrant a sudden reaction that makes sure they aren't threatened.
If you're holding a gun and a guy you have it pointed at suddenly reaches somewhere, what do you do? Do you use your gun or do you holster your gun and then go use a taser (not 100% guaranteed to work effectively) or tackle him (which is an incredibly bad idea if he has a knife or remembers how to bite and has an infectious disease)? As stupid as the whole situation was, they reacted appropriately.
(This is only regarding their reaction by firing, not the whole event)
[QUOTE=cqbcat;40146361]Why the hell would you even shoot a guy in his bed 20 times? [B]EVEN IF HE WAS REACHING FOR A GUN[/B], two cops could of either tackled him before he drew or tasered him.[/QUOTE]
People always seem to make this argument, I honestly don't get it. I'm not trying to say they were right, but if you are presented with a situation where you have a gun, and a another man has a gun and attempts to use it in a threatening manner, you do [I]not[/I] put away your gun and take out your taser, and you do [I]not[/I] run at the man with a deadly weapon and tackle him. It puts your life at unnecessary risk. Expecting police to do this in these sorts of extreme situations is both ignorant and unrealistic. They're not trained to get killed, they're trained to attempt to eliminate the threat.
So did the guy fart, or how could you possibly startle a bunch of cops by lying motionless in your bed, sleeping?
Police didn't properly announce themselves and had no authority to be searching his house in the middle of the night. That's illegal search and seizure followed by a confused, innocent man getting shot.
The police are on maximum damage control; despite saying their actions were justified.
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