[quote]U.S. President Barack Obama declared his readiness to supply the EU volume of natural gas, which require member countries to the organization, "Interfax".
«We are ready to allow the export of natural gas in such quantities daily, which uses it every day Europe” - said at a press conference in Brussels, the head of state. As Obama said, like Washington’s intentions caused the current geopolitical situation in the world.
In addition, the U.S. leader called on European counterparts to accelerate the work on the creation of a free trade zone between the United States and the EU. For his part, he promised to ease the rules in force in the United States to export natural gas from the country.
At the moment there is a meeting in Brussels with European Union leaders Obama. On the agenda for delegates costs extremely important for the EU gas issue. According to media reports, the Europeans are going to convince the American president in need of large-scale increase in gas supplies from the United States to the organization was able to abandon Russian gas.[/quote]
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So instead of one gas monopolist another one comes by. One may think it was clever US's doing with all the situation in Crimea. If so, well played, if not, fucking lucky.
So this was the plan all along.
Uhh.
Good luck finding enough ships to transport gas in needed quantities.
There's a reason Europe was importing gas from Russia, and it's the reliability and massive output pipelines have.
I bet he's gonna replace it with Taco Bell victims or something.
Yeah, um, no. Don't bully the EU into accepting the trade agreement just because of a war that's not going to happen.
He'll build a huge line that goes from New York to Lisbon, Portugal
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;44363583]He'll build a huge line that goes from New York to Lisbon, Portugal[/QUOTE]
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[sp]replace semen with gas[/sp]
We should finish ITER and start building fusion NPPs at large flipping the rest of the world off as far as energy is concerned.
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[sp]replace semen with gas[/sp][/QUOTE]
That pipe should be connected to Florida.
If we're going to start posting comics then into relevancy polandball becomes.
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This is going to be expensive as FUCK
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;44363580]Yeah, um, no. Don't bully the EU into accepting the trade agreement just because of a war that's not going to happen.[/QUOTE]
I think you're looking at this all wrong. This is a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" situation IMO. We have a HUGE reserve of natural gas, more than we need by far but it isn't being pumped right now. If europe and the US come to an agreement to build a new super-pipe under the ocean, this could be good for everyone except Russia, who is relying on gas and oil exports to run their industrial machine.
I only see this as a good thing for the EU and the US
We may do some dirty shit, but that doesn't mean that everyone here is just out to fuck you. Governments are made up of a great number of people with different interests, and I seriously doubt that Obama was teh original author of this idea. I think this is a light at the end of the tunnel for the nations in europe and asia that rely on Russian gas. Hopefully, our government will do things morally and efficiently to end this crisis. It is my belief that a Russia without gas exports is a neutered Russia that is much less of a threat to world peace.
[QUOTE=maxumym;44363505]Uhh.
Good luck finding enough ships to transport gas in needed quantities.
There's a reason Europe was importing gas from Russia, and it's the reliability and massive output pipelines have.[/QUOTE]
The issue isn't the ships, it's where to dock them. There are docks designed for such supertankers, but they are few and far between.
[QUOTE=Memobot;44364012]The issue isn't the ships, it's where to dock them. There are docks designed for such supertankers, but they are few and far between.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, and there have to be pretty massive reservoirs for storing the gas that arrives.
The idea is unreal, it requires too much money, time and effort to be put into it: new ships, new docks, new reservoirs, new crews, a steady schedule of delivery.
Considering how irritating this administration has been about Oil in North America to begin with, and how much we're already using this winter, I'm pretty skeptical about this.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44364005] It is my belief that a Russia without gas exports is a neutered Russia that is much less of a threat to world peace.[/QUOTE]
lol nah. Making them starved of an economic engine may very well make them even more likely to go to war, not less. Having a shit economy is historically one of the big reasons countries have looked towards war, and as recently as the 1940s war has been proven to have the capability of making an economy.
I wouldn't be surprised if Russia is willing to make that gamble if their natural gas exports shut off overnight.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44364005]I If europe and the US come to an agreement to build a [B]new super-pipe under the ocean[/B], this could be good for everyone except Russia, who is relying on gas and oil exports to run their industrial machine.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but do you actually believe that?
The deepest planned pipeline is Technip's 2900m line in Mexican gulf, but it's only planned and I think it's supposed to only be from the platform to the storages.
The longest underwater pipeline is the Nord Stream at 1222 km and at 290m depth.
Both are laid(will be laid) along the shore.
You're suggesting a 4000+ km pipeline at the average of 3500m depth through goddamn open ocean.
This is utter and absolute nonsense.
And a pipeline isn't just a "put it and forget about it" thing either. It requires regular maintenance, anti-corrosion measures, and a crapload of other things. It's not as easy as laying a communications cable, you see.
Undersea pipeline of such magnitude would probably not be worth it when we already got ships and ports that could start the transactions today.
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You'd need to order a few dozen supertankers though, and find a safe route through the Atlantic, and upgrade ports to (Probably Houston for the American side) accept the increase in traffic.
[QUOTE=maxumym;44363505]Uhh.
Good luck finding enough ships to transport gas in needed quantities.
There's a reason Europe was importing gas from Russia, and it's the reliability and massive output pipelines have.[/QUOTE]
Fuck it, we can just build a pipeline across the Atlantic.
(Im sure this is one of the least silly ideas involving transporting anything across the Atlantic)
But the security of it would not be guaranteed. Just this week an oil spill from a barge crashing into a tanker closed the Houston Ship Channel for four days, causing hundreds of ships to be backed up at the entrance. I'm not sure the Europeans would like their flow of gas to be so easily cut off from a minor accident caused by a few people's mistake.
So you have gas from Russia possibly being cut off by politics and war, or gas from the United States possibly being cut off from route closures due to accidents/natural disasters (hurricane season might hold up shipments)
Or you could ship gas out from an east coast port but I don't think there are currently any that would be able to meet the demand. Houston is the 2nd biggest gas moving city in the world.
Germany's gas stock is pretty limited, it only has a one-time supply for six million people.
For people talking about a pipeline. You're forgetting about the giant seismically active mountain range that lays in the middle of the Atlantic. The mountain range of which Iceland is the summit. You'd need some serious engineering to make a pipe viable. It would make the Keystone XL look like a garden hose.
wouldn't it be easier to build a pipeline up through greenland and then along the arctic since it's considerably shallower than the atlantic?
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for certain values of easier
[QUOTE=OvB;44364769]For people talking about a pipeline. You're forgetting about the giant seismically active mountain range that lays in the middle of the Atlantic. The mountain range of which Iceland is the summit. You'd need some serious engineering to make a pipe viable. It would make the Keystone XL look like a garden hose.[/QUOTE]
[del] Also a pipeline bursting on the floor of the atlantic would end in the largest enviormental disaster in history, and with pipelines its almost certain you will have a failure at some point or another. [/del]
Sorry, natural gas, not petroleum.
How about a pipeline from Alaska going through Russia to Europe. Then everyone wins
[QUOTE=TestECull;44364153]and as recently as the 1940s war has been proven to have the capability of making an economy[/QUOTE]
Only if you win and your country isn't used as a battlefield. I doubt Russia wouldn't get it's land wrecked in a war with NATO.
Europe was completely wrecked after WW2, both European Allies and Axis had their economy fucked because their industries and infrastructures got wrecked. The US was pretty much the only one to get out with a strong economy from WW2 because their mainland, where all their industry is, remained intact, the reason Europe recovered fast was because of stuff like the "Marshall Plan" where the US helped the reconstruction of Europe and the creation of organizations like the "European Coal and Steel Community".
I remember hearing Baby-Boomers always talk about this type of things, "We'll let the oil-wells in the Middle East run dry, cause the Russians to over-use their oil for pointless ventures, and then start rigging in Alaska, Alberta, and North Dakota to dig ourselves out of any economic recession."
Either way... North Dakota's State Seal is so fitting right now:
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Using the oil you get from the Canadians and the keystone xl righ-
Oh shit
This is about how this news made me feel.
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Sounds nice. Would be a bastard transporting all that to Europe, but think about it.
Europeans can still drive their kids to school, and we get profit from it.
And considering the sorta up down economic uncertainty these days, this is something very good for us.
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