• Confederate Memorial Vandalized in Charleston
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[QUOTE]Police say someone spray-painted the message "Black Lives Mater" on a statue memorializing the Confederacy in Charleston several days after a shooting at a historic black church. Police spokesman Charles Francis said city workers used a tarp to cover up the graffiti marking the stone pedestal beneath the statue. He said he didn't know when the graffiti was spray-painted there, but said it would be cleaned off. He said police are investigating.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/21/charleston-confederate-statue-vandalism_n_7632702.html?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000051[/url] [img]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3099526/thumbs/o-CHARLESTON-570.jpg?4[/img]
Good.
The US is becoming like Germany after this. So many people are trying to remove reminders of our past. While I don't condone this, I am not gonna cry about it.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044507]Good.[/QUOTE] Defacing public property and causing people tax dollars=good
"Black lives mater"
Honestly seems more like someone trying to stir shit up rather than an actual protester.
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;48044512]The US is becoming like Germany after this. So many people are trying to remove reminders of our past. While I don't condone this, I am not gonna cry about it.[/QUOTE] History of one's past wrongdoings are better left in textbooks and museums, not memorials honoring the memory of people that fought for the wrongdoings. In other words, build memorials to the victims of the holocaust, not to the people that caused it.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044507]Good.[/QUOTE] Educate yourself [QUOTE=The Calzone;48044540]History of one's past wrongdoings are better left in textbooks and museums, not memorials honoring the memory of people that fought for the wrongdoings. In other words, build memorials to the victims of the holocaust, not to the people that caused it.[/QUOTE] Educate yourself
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044507]Good.[/QUOTE] Defacing monuments isn't good. History is important.
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;48044512]The US is becoming like Germany after this. So many people are trying to remove reminders of our past. While I don't condone this, I am not gonna cry about it.[/QUOTE] I can understand a lot of them where the "reminders of our past" were statues put up in the 50s by Dixiecrats. If they were defacing actual civil war battlefields or something like that it would be much different.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044540]History of one's past wrongdoings are better left in textbooks and museums, not memorials honoring the memory of people that fought for the wrongdoings. In other words, build memorials to the victims of the holocaust, not to the people that caused it.[/QUOTE] That memorial in question doesnt even look like it has Americans on it. It looks like some Rome type shit meant to symbolize something.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48044555]That memorial in question doesnt even look like it has Americans on it. It looks like some Rome type shit meant to symbolize something.[/QUOTE] "To the Confederate Defenders of Charleston - Fort Sumter 1861-1865" [QUOTE=OvB;48044542]Defacing monuments isn't good. History is important.[/QUOTE] American history is full of people destroying and defacing things that we don't particularly care for, especially if the thing in question is symbolic of oppression. Memorials dedicated to Confederate soldiers are reminders of a dark time in American history. I don't disagree that history should be preserved, but monuments honoring the oppressors are not the way to go about it.
How about this: Every life matters
The Vance Monument in Asheville, NC was also vandalized the other day. [url]http://www.wlos.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/vance-monument-vandalized-21620.shtml#.VYtBLEamsb4[/url] [IMG]http://www.wlos.com/news/features/top-stories/stories//images/0623-vance-monument-graffiti2_21620.jpg[/IMG]
wonder what they expect to solve by spraying "BLACK LIVES MATTER" on a monument. I guess they sure taught someone a lesson.
What kind of acidic moron defaces a historical monument and expects to carry a positive or empowering message
When you vandalize a war memorial with BLACK LIVES MATER, you are saying BLACK LIVES MATER MORE. And that's divisive.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48044602]How about this: Every life matters[/QUOTE] All lives do matter, but right now it's black lives that are in danger. You don't hear about cops killing white twelve year olds or cops crashing white pool parties and beating the shit out of unarmed 14 year old girls. That stuff is happening to black people. All lives matter, but racism isn't putting all lives in danger. I know that Facepunch is full of racists that like to dance around the fact that they're racists so I'm essentially wasting my time here trying to explain it, but I feel the need to at least attempt to do it. The bad parts of America's history are to be recognized and remembered, but they aren't to be celebrated. Memorials like this are celebrating the memory of the things the confederacy fought for. That's not the way to go about it.
Yes vandalize a memorial dedicated to the lives lost during the Civil War while thinking it's about racism. Jesus some people are so fucking close minded.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044664]All lives do matter, but right now it's black lives that are in danger. You don't hear about cops killing white twelve year olds or cops crashing white pool parties and beating the shit out of unarmed 14 year old girls. That stuff is happening to black people. All lives matter, but racism isn't putting all lives in danger. I know that Facepunch is full of racists that like to dance around the fact that they're racists so I'm essentially wasting my time here trying to explain it, but I feel the need to at least attempt to do it. The bad parts of America's history are to be recognized and remembered, but they aren't to be celebrated. Memorials like this are celebrating the memory of the things the confederacy fought for. That's not the way to go about it.[/QUOTE] you should probably off yourself [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitpost" - Orkel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044664]All lives do matter, but right now it's black lives that are in danger. You don't hear about cops killing white twelve year olds or cops crashing white pool parties and beating the shit out of unarmed 14 year old girls. That stuff is happening to black people. All lives matter, but racism isn't putting all lives in danger. I know that Facepunch is full of racists that like to dance around the fact that they're racists so I'm essentially wasting my time here trying to explain it, but I feel the need to at least attempt to do it. The bad parts of America's history are to be recognized and remembered, but they aren't to be celebrated. Memorials like this are celebrating the memory of the things the confederacy fought for. That's not the way to go about it.[/QUOTE] I'm really starting to sound like a broken record here. Confederate soldiers and the general citizenry did not benefit from slavery. They were not slave owners. Slavery was generally regarded as a moral evil. Many of them were slaves in all but name, paid pennies by plantation owners, then charged their salary to live on the land they worked, and not allowed to work the land unless they lived on it. Racism was a theme on both sides of the conflict. If you don't understand why someone would fight for the Confederacy take a look at how the Union invasion force operated in Southern territories. Burning cities to the ground, massacring civilians, destroying farm land, maiming workers (including slaves). The Confederate military had a rifle and a uniform for anyone interested in protecting their plot of land. Argue all you want about the Confederacy's many wrongdoings and missteps and its awful political stances but do not demonize 250,000 men who were killed fighting their own countrymen in a war they didn't want.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044664] [B]I know that Facepunch is full of racists[/B] that like to dance around the fact that they're racists so I'm essentially wasting my time here trying to explain it, but I feel the need to at least attempt to do it. The bad parts of America's history are to be recognized and remembered, but they aren't to be celebrated. [B]Memorials like this are celebrating the memory of the things the confederacy fought for.[/B] That's not the way to go about it.[/QUOTE] Ok for starters, can you prove that facepunch is full of racists? Secondly, memorials like this are for remembrance of the lives lost during the Civil War, not celebrating what the Confederacy fought for. Almost NOBODY celebrates the Confederacy and goes "THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN". [editline]24th June 2015[/editline] Except for extremists groups in the US like the KKK.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044664]The bad parts of America's history are to be recognized and remembered, but they aren't to be celebrated. [B]Memorials like this are celebrating the memory of the things the confederacy fought for. That's not the way to go about it.[/B][/QUOTE] well you hit a brick wall there because that memorial isn't even closely celebrating anything. it is a memorial for the lives lost defending charleston during the civil war.
[QUOTE=Uncle Phil;48044680]you should probably off yourself[/QUOTE] His post may have been pretty bad but seriously mate? This is pretty uncalled for.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;48044698]well you hit a brick wall there because that memorial isn't even closely celebrating anything. it is a memorial for the lives lost defending charleston during the civil war.[/QUOTE] Yep. It clearly states here on the plaque of the memorial itself. [IMG]http://www.charlestonfootprints.com/images/gallery/sm_december2011013.JPG[/IMG] What do you have to say about that Calzone?
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48044684]Ok for starters, can you prove that facepunch is full of racists? Secondly, memorials like this are for remembrance of the lives lost during the Civil War, not celebrating what the Confederacy fought for. Almost NOBODY celebrates the Confederacy and goes "THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN". [editline]24th June 2015[/editline] Except for extremists groups in the US like the KKK.[/QUOTE] "Ok for starters, can you prove that facepunch is full of racists? " you can start by looking at the person above telling me I should kill myself for suggesting that black people are negatively affected by racism "Secondly, memorials like this are for remembrance of the lives lost during the Civil War, not celebrating what the Confederacy fought for" The memorial says "To the Confederate defenders of Charleston." It is specifically in the memory of the soldiers and what they fought for. I happen to notice that you're Canadian, yeah? Your notion that "Almost NOBODY celebrates the Confederacy and goes 'THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN,'" what exactly is that based on? Because I live in the state of Georgia and I have seen first hand people celebrating the Confederacy, its values, and saying things like "THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN." [QUOTE=joshuadim;48044713]Yep. It clearly states here on the plaque of the memorial itself. [IMG]http://www.charlestonfootprints.com/images/gallery/sm_december2011013.JPG[/IMG] What do you have to say about that Calzone?[/QUOTE] We both used the exact words on the sign in different ways. Cute.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48044684]Ok for starters, can you prove that facepunch is full of racists? [/QUOTE] That is actually common knowledge, and readily apparent to any regular here
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044714]"Ok for starters, can you prove that facepunch is full of racists? " you can start by looking at the person above telling me I should kill myself for suggesting that black people are negatively affected by racism "Secondly, memorials like this are for remembrance of the lives lost during the Civil War, not celebrating what the Confederacy fought for" The memorial says "To the Confederate defenders of Charleston." It is specifically in the memory of the soldiers and what they fought for. I happen to notice that you're Canadian, yeah? Your notion that "Almost NOBODY celebrates the Confederacy and goes 'THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN,'" what exactly is that based on? Because I live in the state of Georgia and I have seen first hand people celebrating the Confederacy, its values, and saying things like "THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN."[/QUOTE] I'm visiting Canada, hence the Canada flag because of the IP im at. I am a native of Florida. I have seen no one talk like that in both the cities and the countryside here. Also what he said doesn't exactly mean RACISM I HATE BLACK PEOPLE >:(, it just means he's either trolling or just didn't read your post.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044714]The memorial says "To the Confederate defenders of Charleston." It is specifically in the memory of the soldiers and what they fought for.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the memorial is made in memory of the soldiers defending Charleston and Ft. Sumter during the Civil War...? It's simply that.
Apparently spelling doesnt mater either.
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