"Never again" - 10,000 Irish protesters march for abortion law reform, after death of woman denied a
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[quote=The Guardian]As more than 10,000 protesters demonstrated in Dublin in solidarity with the family of an Indian woman who died after being denied an abortion in Ireland, her father called on the taoiseach, Enda Kenny, to change the Republic's strict anti-abortion laws.
In an interview with the Observer, Andanappa Yalagi issued a personal challenge to Ireland's premier to legislate on abortion.
"Sir, please change your law and take consideration of humanity. Please change the law on abortion, which will help save the lives of so many women in the future," he said.
The grieving father also confirmed his family is taking legal action to prevent future acts of "inhumanity" in Irish hospitals.
His threat of legal action comes as the Royal College of Midwives said the husband and family of Savita Halappanavar could sue the hospital where she was treated for "gross negligence".
On the streets of Dublin there was palpable anger over how the 31-year-old dentist died at University Hospital Galway last month. More than 10,000 people marched from the city's Garden of Remembrance to the Irish parliament chanting "never again", while a leftwing Dáil deputy Claire Daly said the Indian woman died due to "political cowardice" among Ireland's establishment.
The death in of Savita Halappanavar from blood poisoning due to a miscarriage has refocussed global attention on the near total ban on abortion in Ireland.
Her husband Paveen described in graphic terms last week how his wife pleaded for a termination in the hospital but was told the medical team could not carry out an abortion as they had detected a foetal heartbeat. When Savita said she was a Hindu, Paveen said the couple were told: "This is a Catholic country."
When the marchers reached Merrion Square at the back of the Irish parliament a minute silence was observed in memory of Savita Halappanavar.
In their interview, the dead woman's parents said: "We want the government of India to put pressure on Ireland to change the law so that this cannot happen in the future."
India summoned the Irish ambassador in Delhi on Friday to stress that any inquiry into Halappanavar's death must be fully independent.
Back in central Dublin the demonstrators encountered some hostility from a small group of anti-abortion activists in O'Connell Street. One nun beside held up a placard opposing abortion. It read: "Must millions of innocent unborn infants be sacrificed to satan for the death of one woman?"
Pro-choice activists hung banners stating "never again" on the historic Ha'Penny Bridgem, which straddles the river Liffey.
There were other protests by pro-choice campaigners in Galway and Limerick, and outside the Irish embassy in London and the Irish consulate in Edinburgh.[/quote]
Whatever happened to doctors putting the health of the patient above religion and personal bias?
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[QUOTE]One nun beside held up a placard opposing abortion. It read: "Must millions of innocent unborn infants be sacrificed to satan for the death of one woman?"[/QUOTE]
oh, so abortion is a sacrifice to satan now? didn't know that.
Wait wait wait, lemme nail down the series of events here for her death
She wanted an abortion for X reason, reason not important yet.
Abortion denied.
Did she then... cause a miscarriage? Or did one just... happen.
miscarriage caused blood poisoning.
she died.
It's a common belief for some Christians that a human does not receive their soul until the moment of birth. Really doesn't make much sense to hate abortion and use "it's a human-being" as an excuse.
[QUOTE=mixshifter;38495740]It's a common belief for some Christians that a human does not receive their soul until the moment of birth. Really doesn't make much sense to hate abortion and use "it's a human-being" as an excuse.[/QUOTE]
I thought it was common belief in the christian religion that the soul was eternal (always existed, and will always exist).
[QUOTE=mixshifter;38495740]It's a common belief for some Christians that a human does not receive their soul until the moment of birth. Really doesn't make much sense to hate abortion and use "it's a human-being" as an excuse.[/QUOTE]
The pivotal point for most church centered resistance against abortion is the definition of a human life... Which is why many are lobbying to change the definition to retarded ass thing like "2 weeks before conception"
[QUOTE=KlaseR;38495756]I thought it was common belief in the christian religion that the soul was eternal (always existed, and will always exist).[/QUOTE]
It's one of those traits that differs depending on the person and their actual beliefs. Some Christians believe one thing, others believe another thing. In this case, some Christians believe the soul is eternal, some others believe a human doesn't receive its soul until the moment of birth. (in my opinion, the latter makes a lot more sense anyway)
[QUOTE=mixshifter;38495740]It's a common belief for some Christians that a human does not receive their soul until the moment of birth. Really doesn't make much sense to hate abortion and use "it's a human-being" as an excuse.[/QUOTE]
Sperms and ova have souls bro, didn't you know that?
That's why every time you masturbate, you commit a genocide.
[QUOTE=Cl0cK;38495894]Sperms and ova have souls bro, didn't you know that?
That's why every time you masturbate, you commit a genocide.[/QUOTE]
even if you have regular sex you commit genocide, since only one sperm cell survives.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;38495725]Wait wait wait, lemme nail down the series of events here for her death
She wanted an abortion for X reason, reason not important yet.
Abortion denied.
Did she then... cause a miscarriage? Or did one just... happen.
miscarriage caused blood poisoning.
she died.[/QUOTE]
She went to the doctor because of severe pain and found out that she was miscarrying. Her request for an abortion/induction was denied and after three or four days the fetus died. Only then did they remove it. Shortly after that, she died from the blood poisoning.
[QUOTE=Killoch0;38495689]This isn't the problem at all.
The problem is that the law in Ireland is absurdly unclear about abortion, the doctors are literally afraid of giving an abortion in any circumstances out of a fear of losing their license or going to jail.[/QUOTE]
I'd still rather lose my medical license than live with the fact that I could have saved someone's life.
[QUOTE=KlaseR;38495974]even if you have regular sex you commit genocide, since only one sperm cell survives.[/QUOTE]
Then it's obvious what we have to do... Ban sex, and have our reproductive organs removed for the greater good.
[QUOTE=Zet;38496454]Then it's obvious what we have to do... Ban sex, and have our reproductive organs removed for the greater good.[/QUOTE]
Are you being sarcastic?
[QUOTE=Ybbats;38496500]Are you being sarcastic?[/QUOTE]
If you couldn't tell that immediately than I fear for you
If we had a benevolent God, why would he create a situation in which we either choose to:
A) We allow the fetus (who has a soul) to continue to develop, killing both it and the mother.
or
B) We abort the fetus which would already die, allowing the woman to continue to live.
I've even heard arguments that the soul of the fetus would go to hell, as if it had a choice in the matter.
It's even more absurd than stoning a woman for having sex before marriage.
[QUOTE=Zally13;38497287]If we had a benevolent God, why would he create a situation in which we either choose to:
A) We allow the fetus (who has a soul) to continue to develop, killing both it and the mother.
or
B) We abort the fetus which would already die, allowing the woman to continue to live.
I've even heard arguments that the soul of the fetus would go to hell, as if it had a choice in the matter.
It's even more absurd than stoning a woman for having sex before marriage.[/QUOTE]
Science is a funny thing, after figuring things out ourselves, the information ether points to there being no god or he's an asshole who doesn't care.
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