Pakistan family slits throats of young couple over love marriage
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[QUOTE]A young couple in Pakistan were tied up and had their throats slit with scythes after they married for love, police said on Saturday.
The 17-year-old girl and 31-year-old man married on June 18 without the consent of their families in eastern Pakistan's Punjabi village of Satrah, police said.
The girl's mother and father lured the couple home late on Thursday with the promise that their marriage would receive a family blessing, said local police official Rana Zashid.
"When the couple reached there, they tied them with ropes," he said. "He (the girl's father) cut their throats."
Police arrested the family, who said they had been embarrassed by the marriage of their daughter, named Muafia Hussein, to a man from a less important tribe.
Cultural traditions in many areas of Pakistan mean that killing a woman whose behaviour is seen as immodest is widely accepted.
Immodest behaviour that sparked recent killings included singing, looking out of the window or talking to a man who is not a relative. For a woman to marry a man of her own choice is considered an unacceptable insult by many families.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said 869 so-called "honour killings" were reported in the media last year - several a day. But the true figure is probably much higher since many cases are never reported.
The weak Pakistani government, battling with a troubled economy and a Taliban insurgency, does not collect centralised statistics and has no strategy to combat the killings.
Pakistani law means that even if a woman's killer is convicted, her family are able to forgive the killer.
Many families simply nominate a member to do the killing, then formally forgive the killer.
That's what happened earlier this week, a lawyer said, when a tribal council in central Pakistan's Muzaffargarh district sentenced another young couple to death for marrying for love.
The couple's lawyer, Zia Kiyyani, said the two had appealed for police protection after their marriage on June 21, but had not received any.
The 19-year-old girl's family came to take her from her husband's family, swearing on the Koran that they would not harm her and would hold a proper wedding ceremony, he said.
"During this the girl shouted, cried and mourned for her life and her husband's life because she knew that they will kill both of them," he said.
The girl, named Mehreen Bibi, was shot by a member of her family when she returned home, police said. Her husband went into hiding and her father registered the murder complaint so he could forgive the killer, Kiyyani said.
"That will end the case," he said.[/QUOTE]
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Yup, this part of the world is still ass-backwards. Just like in my own country. The scummiest thing is that they lured them with promises to bless them and then cut their throats. I'd personally see the people who do this hanged, but that's just me.
Jesusfuckingchrist
That's awful as hell...
That forgive-system seems like the most broken shit ever. Please nerf.
[QUOTE=Riller;45238769]That forgive-system seems like the most broken shit ever. Please nerf.[/QUOTE]
But that would mean attempting to fix hardcoded mechanics, so no deal, sadly.
You've gotta be some special kind of fucked up to slit your own daughters throat because she wanted to be happy
because luring someone with lies in order to kill them is highly honorable apparently.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45238784]But that would mean attempting to fix hardcoded mechanics, so no deal, sadly.[/QUOTE]
Pakistani gov't = EAbisoft?
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;45238791]because luring someone with lies in order to kill is the highly honorable apparently.[/QUOTE]
Look, pointing out hypocrisy to people in that part of the world is largely hopeless, because they'll just keep going 'muh family honor' no matter how many times you try to point out that what they did was totally fucking wrong.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45238805]Look, pointing out hypocrisy to people in that part of the world is largely hopeless, because they'll just keep going 'muh family honor' no matter how many times you try to point out that what they did was totally fucking wrong.[/QUOTE]
pakistanis are klingons apparently :v:
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45238643]Yup, this part of the world is still ass-backwards. Just like in my own country. The scummiest thing is that they lured them with promises to bless them and then cut their throats. I'd personally see the people who do this hanged, but that's just me.[/QUOTE]That could easily backfire though, they'd have to sweep up anyone who's done it in the past few years and execute them all at once and in public. If you're going to use heavy-handed "see, this is what you fucking get" tactics you need to go big or go home. It's a shitty thing, yeah, but I really cannot see how this shit's going to change any time soon.
Why can't they just do like Western families and disown them instead? Much less bloody and not as permanent.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;45239347]Why can't they just do like Western families and disown them instead? Much less bloody and not as permanent.[/QUOTE]
But that would imply they even had the sense to consider doing that. It does happen occasionally (disown them instead of honor killings) but not often enough.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;45239347]Why can't they just do like Western families and disown them instead? Much less bloody and not as permanent.[/QUOTE]
And still just as wrong. But, given the choice, the preferrable option.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45238643]Yup, this part of the world is still ass-backwards. Just like in my own country. The scummiest thing is that they lured them with promises to bless them and then cut their throats. [B]I'd personally see the people who do this hanged, but that's just me.[/B][/QUOTE]
I hope so. What good would that do, exactly? Retributive justice is precisely what this family believed in, and see where that went.
[quote]swearing on the Koran that they would not harm her and would hold a proper wedding ceremony[/quote]
Shouldn't they be beaten to death for this? Oh no wait... I forgot it is okay if you're doing it to beat other people to death or slit their throats.
Very nice culture. 6/6 would live there.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;45240894]I hope so. What good would that do, exactly? Retributive justice is precisely what this family believed in, and see where that went.[/QUOTE]
Oh my god, you can't be this retarded.
Killing a killer isn't stooping to his level.
If you'd kill an innocent person, you'd be stooping to his level.
All you're doing in the first case is punishing them.
It's 2014, and there are still people who think this is an okay thing to do.
Unbelievable
Needs cultural revolution.
[QUOTE=Miskav;45241013]
All you're doing in the first case is punishing them.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes i think of it as freeing the world from a horrible person rather than punishing them. Some crimes just don't leave any room for punishing.
[QUOTE=Miskav;45241013]Oh my god, you can't be this retarded.
Killing a killer isn't stooping to his level.
If you'd kill an innocent person, you'd be stooping to his level.
All you're doing in the first case is punishing them.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, your opinion is surely a studied production, with it being so insightful and educated. You're definitely not the retarded one.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45238643]Yup, this part of the world is still ass-backwards. Just like in my own country. The scummiest thing is that they lured them with promises to bless them and then cut their throats. I'd personally see the people who do this hanged, but that's just me.[/QUOTE]
At this point I think the whole goddamn Indian subcontinent needs to go see a therapist. Creepy obsession with family honor, rampant misogyny, slavery; that's shit only a therapist could fix.
[QUOTE=Miskav;45241013]Oh my god, you can't be this retarded.
Killing a killer isn't stooping to his level.
If you'd kill an innocent person, you'd be stooping to his level.
All you're doing in the first case is punishing them.[/QUOTE]
Killing anyone outside of a situation that immediately saves lives should not be something anyone who doesn't have some sort of bloodlust in them would want. it serves no utility, so it can't be anything but a violent mind set that says it's okay to kill anyone.
Assed-backwards fucks.
God, what a shithole. The US should have no business associating with a country that tolerates 800+ of it's women being murdered every year for no reason. No guns, no money, no loans, no trade whatsoever until they join us in at least the 19th century.
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45242066]God, what a shithole. The US should have no business associating with a country that tolerates 800+ of it's women being murdered every year for no reason. No guns, no money, no loans, no trade whatsoever until they join us in at least the 19th century.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the Americans particularly enjoy supporting them either - they only do so to keep a balance of power in the region since India has good relations with Russia and, being the biggest power in that region, could mean that The Indian subcontinent becomes a Russian backed area.
If there were better powers in the area that could pose a serious national threat to India,they would. But at this time we're either friends with most of them or they're too small to be taken seriously.
it's the same reason why US backs Saudi Arabia - the biggest and most resourceful nation in the region, with the most klout.
[QUOTE=Miskav;45241013]Oh my god, you can't be this retarded.
Killing a killer isn't stooping to his level.
If you'd kill an innocent person, you'd be stooping to his level.
All you're doing in the first case is punishing them.[/QUOTE]
A human life is still a human life regardless. You're dehumanizing them for their actions, which is disgusting all by itself, and it's just what the family did in order to kill the couple. Nobody deserves to have their life taken from them without their consent.
In those people's eyes, they did what they thought was right. Are they evil for acting upon their beliefs? No, not in the least. You need to recognize that the issue isn't the human beings themselves (and if it is then they're mentally ill, in which case killing still isn't okay), it's the values that these particular human beings have. More violence and death is unnecessary when you could just teach these people what's wrong and give them [i]help[/i].
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;45242754]A human life is still a human life regardless. You're dehumanizing them for their actions, which is disgusting all by itself, and it's just what the family did in order to kill the couple. Nobody deserves to have their life taken from them without their consent.
In those people's eyes, they did what they thought was right. Are they evil for acting upon their beliefs? No, not in the least. You need to recognize that the issue isn't the human beings themselves (and if it is then they're mentally ill, in which case killing still isn't okay), it's the values that these particular human beings have. More violence and death is unnecessary when you could just teach these people what's wrong and give them [i]help[/i].[/QUOTE]
Well said - but what help can we provide for these people?
I've thought about how education can help eradicate such beliefs, but how do you begin, what conclusive and decisive arguments can you use to bring rational thought to a person who is, essentially, going through the motions his ancestors have gone through for hundreds of years?
I'm interested in this particular aspect because for us, when it came to things like eradicating Sati, it did not happen with societal change first - it began with laws being set in place - First the Mughals did it because they thought it was horrifying, then the British came and they put a law in place forbidding it. People did try but then under threat of the law, it stopped.
So is law the better option for eradicating this behavior, or is it education? I'm conflicted.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;45242795]Well said - but what help can we provide for these people?
I've thought about how education can help eradicate such beliefs, but how do you begin, what conclusive and decisive arguments can you use to bring rational thought to a person who is, essentially, going through the motions his ancestors have gone through for hundreds of years?
I'm interested in this particular aspect because for us, when it came to things like eradicating Sati, it did not happen with societal change first - it began with laws being set in place - First the Mughals did it because they thought it was horrifying, then the British came and they put a law in place forbidding it. People did try but then under threat of the law, it stopped.
So is law the better option for eradicating this behavior, or is it education? I'm conflicted.[/QUOTE]
I think its more of societal change. This sounds kinda counter intuitive, but if the people who perpetuate such acts become aware and actually care about their alienation due to backwards things like this, then they will change. Currently they don't, they just care about how people who observe long established traditions will think of how they and their relatives follow long established traditions.
One of the many forces that contribute to this is the aquedate enforcement of law.
Education is a bit of a double edged blade, as being aware doesn't give any incentive to give to care, whearas enforcement of rules does.
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