Live coverage of the riots: [url]http://paltoday.tv/index.php/livetv[/url]
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this isn't going to end very well
Please don't turn extremely violent.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45491318]Please don't turn extremely violent.[/QUOTE]
Haha of course it will. It always does.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RP0_66GTuI[/media]
supposedly it's up to 48,000 protesters now
I know they're already in heavy conflict but I'm getting that drizzle before the storm feeling I had when the kiev riots were sparking up
intifada boogaloo?
Watch how the American mainstream media and Israeli media will demonize them as "violent", "savage", "rioters", while ignoring the fact these people have lived their entire lives under occupation and abuse. "Rioting" is a shitty word as it attempts to criminalize them, this is an uprising/revolt against Israeli military occupation, colonialism, and a shitty Palestinian government that does little to resist it. The people who are acting criminal here are the Israeli occupation soldiers and settlers squatting on whats left of the Palestinian homeland. Israel can't indefinitely oppress millions of people without this occurring.
[QUOTE=Lamar;45492037]Watch how the American mainstream media and Israeli media will demonize them as "violent", "savage", "rioters", while ignoring the fact these people have lived their entire lives under occupation and abuse. "Rioting" is a shitty word as it attempts to criminalize them, this is an uprising/revolt against Israeli military occupation, colonialism, and a shitty Palestinian government that does little to resist it. The people who are acting criminal here are the Israeli occupation soldiers and settlers squatting on whats left of the Palestinian homeland. Israel can't indefinitely oppress millions of people without this occurring.[/QUOTE]
Do you not know the meaning of military occupation or are you just lying to garner support from ignorant people? With how involved you seem to be I'm going to assume the latter of the two. Based on your other threads/posts I get the strong feeling that you care a lot more about taking down Israel than you do about truth.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45492090]Do you not know the meaning of military occupation or are you just lying to garner support from ignorant people? With how involved you seem to be I'm going to assume the latter of the two. Based on your other threads/posts I get the strong feeling that you care a lot more about taking down Israel than you do about truth.[/QUOTE]
Do you?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_occupations[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories[/url]
By the way, even the Israeli supreme court has ruled that Israel holds the West Bank under "belligerent occupation". I guess being an Israel apologist comes with a heavy dose of delusion.
[QUOTE=Lamar;45492037]and a shitty Palestinian government that does little to resist it.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, I'm pretty sure their government's resisting it is what is causing this current conflict. You know, rockets, kidnappings, stuff like that.
[QUOTE=Lamar;45492037]Watch how the American mainstream media[/QUOTE]
yeah sure buddy the mainstream media is covering it all up
[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28476882[/URL]
[URL]http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Clashes-break-out-in-West-Bank-reportedly-leaving-a-Palestinian-dead-368864[/URL]
[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/25/israeli-soldiers-kill-palestinian-west-bank-protest[/URL]
[URL]http://news.sky.com/story/1307077/two-palestinians-killed-in-west-bank-protest[/URL]
[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10989983/Israeli-forces-shoot-dead-Palestinian-during-West-Bank-protest.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/palestinian-protesters-have-marched-on-an-israeli-checkpoint-sparking-clashes-with-the-military/story-e6frg6n6-1227000975912?nk=a896bb3ec49f1f4554c8c412e382a7d4[/URL]
i took the liberty of doing "ctrl-f" for "violent", "savage", and "rioters" and found nothing of the sort. in case i missed anything, there is however the exception of "rioters" as quoted directly from an israeli
notice how many of the sources used "protests"
[QUOTE=darunner;45492214]Uhh, I'm pretty sure their government's resisting it is what is causing this current conflict. You know, rockets, kidnappings, stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
The PA does jack-shit, they enable Israel's occupation through security cooperation.
I guess we should have saw this coming.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45492239]
notice how many of the sources used "protests"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]solidarity[/QUOTE]
Clearly evil socialist muslims not worth acknowledging.
[editline]24th July 2014[/editline]
like obama.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45492239]yeah sure buddy the mainstream media is covering it all up
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28476882[/url]
[url]http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Clashes-break-out-in-West-Bank-reportedly-leaving-a-Palestinian-dead-368864[/url]
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/25/israeli-soldiers-kill-palestinian-west-bank-protest[/url]
[url]http://news.sky.com/story/1307077/two-palestinians-killed-in-west-bank-protest[/url]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10989983/Israeli-forces-shoot-dead-Palestinian-during-West-Bank-protest.html[/url]
[url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/palestinian-protesters-have-marched-on-an-israeli-checkpoint-sparking-clashes-with-the-military/story-e6frg6n6-1227000975912?nk=a896bb3ec49f1f4554c8c412e382a7d4[/url]
i took the liberty of doing "ctrl-f" for "violent", "savage", and "rioters" and found nothing of the sort. in case i missed anything, there is however the exception of "rioters" as quoted directly from an israeli[/QUOTE]
wow genius, you even quoted me saying "American mainstream media" and you managed to not even link to a single mainstream American news agency.
[QUOTE=Lamar;45492261]wow genius, you even quoted me saying "American mainstream media" and you managed to not even link to a single mainstream American news agency.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RP0_66GTuI[/URL]
[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/24/west-bank-rise_n_5619332.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/24/us-mideast-gaza-west-bank-idUSKBN0FT2TO20140724[/URL]
there's not as many but many of these articles or videos are quite recent, which i can't blame them for considering that the riots took place a mere few hours ago
us media is a bit slower but they don't distort the truth as much as you do
[QUOTE=Lamar;45492261]wow genius, you even quoted me saying "American mainstream media" and you managed to not even link to a single mainstream American news agency.[/QUOTE]
CNN, NBC, Fox, and ABC haven't said anything about the protests yet, just to clarify.
E: Never mind, Reuters isn't a US based source. Guess we'll see in the morning what US media has to say about all this, but I don't really expect it be demonizing anything really.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45492311][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RP0_66GTuI[/url]
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/24/west-bank-rise_n_5619332.html[/url]
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/24/us-mideast-gaza-west-bank-idUSKBN0FT2TO20140724[/url][/QUOTE]
Stop posting, Reuters is an international news agency based in London.
[QUOTE=Lamar;45492329]Stop posting, Reuters is an international news agency based in London.[/QUOTE]
and somehow the huffington post and pbs are also based in london?
the point i'm trying to make is that this event isn't being covered up and the people aren't being called "savages" or "looters"
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45492369]and somehow the huffington post and pbs are also based in london?
the point i'm trying to make is that this event isn't being covered up and the people aren't being called "savages" or "looters"[/QUOTE]
When the fuck did I say it was going to be covered up? I said mainstream American and Israeli news agencies are going to use shitty biased language. Look, they're doing it already.
[quote]2 Palestinians said killed in rioting outside Jerusalem[/quote]
[url]http://www.timesofisrael.com/1-said-killed-in-widespread-riots-outside-jerusalem/[/url]
[quote]Arabs Riot Near Jerusalem, Attack Security Forces[/quote]
[url]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183329#.U9HJjPldUwA[/url]
[QUOTE=Lamar;45492385]When the fuck did I say it was going to be covered up? I said mainstream American and Israeli news agencies are going to use shitty biased language.[/QUOTE]
the israeli and american news agencies i've found so far haven't used "shitty biased language" and include those i cited earlier
[editline]25th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lamar;45492385][url]http://www.timesofisrael.com/1-said-killed-in-widespread-riots-outside-jerusalem/[/url]
[url]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183329#.U9HJjPldUwA[/url][/QUOTE]
are we grasping at straws now
i don't really see the use of dehumanizing language
at a stretch there is the use of "rioters", "rioting", "riots", etc but events like this generally tend to be called those. both sources also use "protesters" or "demonstrators" as well so i doubt they are acting out of malice
i don't see the use of "savage" or "looters" or comparisons with horrible things
[QUOTE=Lamar;45492242]The PA does jack-shit, they enable Israel's occupation through security cooperation.[/QUOTE]
The Gazans elected Hamas to be their government what, 10 years ago? Been doing so well for them in the interim...
If HAMAS developes in the West Bank, everyone loses, and Fatah sadly doesn't have the power to stop it. I was hoping for a situation like the Altalena (where the Irgun, who was a terrorists organization, was forced to join Hagannah), but HAMAS steps further beyond redemption with each day and it's probably too late to act. I hope the protests aren't much more than a diversion of Israel's attention from Gaza.
Israel and Palestine really need to give a little love to each other. It'd go a lot further towards solving the issue than bombs and protests.
I wish every protester had a gun, they could rally against Israel.
[QUOTE]I wish every protester had a gun, they could rally against Israel.[/QUOTE]
I crave to continue a cycle of violence where everyone is ruined because it suits my fancy!
[QUOTE=uzikus;45493921]I wish every protester had a gun, they could rally against Israel.[/QUOTE]
this is probably not a very good idea
[QUOTE=uzikus;45493921]I wish every protester had a gun, they could rally against Israel.[/QUOTE]
That enables a violent uprising that will take many innocents on both sides. It would not be worth it, in any case here.
Remember, hate breeds hate, violence breeds violence, terror breeds terror.
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;45493961]That enables a violent uprising that will take many innocents on both sides. It would not be worth it, in any case here.
Remember, hate breeds hate, violence breeds violence, terror breeds terror.[/QUOTE]
What are the Palestinians supposed to do? "Pwease stop systematically exterminating my people and stealing my ancestor's two millennium old land, Israel"
[QUOTE=JoelDJr;45493997]What are the Palestinians supposed to do? "Pwease stop systematically exterminating my people and stealing my ancestors land, Israel"[/QUOTE]
Peaceful protest to bring to light their struggles, passive resistance, garnering support from the world over.
It worked for Dr. King, it might work for them. Armed uprising should always be the last resort.
[editline]25th July 2014[/editline]
Although I might just be to hopeful about this whole thing.
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