[QUOTE]The US has criticised Russia and China after fugitive Edward Snowden left Hong Kong for Moscow.
[B]President Barack Obama said the US was pursuing "all the appropriate legal channels" in pursuit of him.[/B]
US Secretary of State John Kerry has said it would be "disappointing" if Russia and China had helped him evade an attempt to extradite him.
Mr Snowden, who has applied for asylum in Ecuador, is believed to still be in Russia having flown there on Sunday.
[B]White House spokesman Jay Carney said he did not believe Hong Kong's reasons for letting him leave.
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The US has revoked Mr Snowden's passport, and he is thought to have spent the night in an airside hotel at Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport.
On Monday, a seat was booked in his name on a flight to Cuba, but he was not seen on board when it took off.
[B]The 30-year-old IT expert is wanted by the US for revealing to the media details of a secret government surveillance programme, which he obtained while working as a contractor for the National Security Agency (NSA).[/B]
He is charged with theft of government property, unauthorised communication of national defence information and wilful communication of classified communications intelligence.
[B]Mr Obama briefly mentioned the case at the White House on Monday, telling reporters: "What we know is that we are following all the appropriate legal channels and working with various other countries to make sure that the rule of law is observed."[/B]
[B]Speaking during a visit to India earlier, Mr Kerry said it would be "deeply troubling" if it became clear that China had "wilfully" allowed him to fly out of Hong Kong.[/B]
"There would be without any question some effect and impact on the relationship and consequences," he said.
[B]He also called on Russia to "live by the standards of the law because that's in the interests of everybody".
Later, Mr Carney said: "It is our understanding that he is still in Russia."[/B]
In strongly worded comments at a news conference, he said Washington was "just not buying" Hong Kong's assertion that the US extradition papers were not in order so they had no reason to detain Mr Snowden.
"This was a deliberate choice by the government to release a fugitive despite a valid arrest warrant, and that decision unquestionably has a negative impact on the US-China relationship," he said.
He added that senior US officials were briefing President Barack Obama regularly about all the developments, and called on Russia to use all options to expel the former US spy agency contractor.
Meanwhile, Russia's Interfax state news agency quoted an informed source as saying Moscow was considering a US extradition request, but that Mr Snowden had not officially crossed the Russian border so could not be detained.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23031801[/url]
Fuck off, US, you make yourselves only look worse and worse.
Don't give people further reason to believe you are becoming fascists.
[QUOTE]Speaking during a visit to India earlier, Mr Kerry said it would be "deeply troubling" if it became clear that China had "wilfully" allowed him to fly out of Hong Kong.
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What reason do Russia and China have to comply? None. You will trade with them and seek better deals with them because you have to. They have plenty of reasons to humiliate the United States and really have little to lose from doing so.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41177499]Fuck off, US, you make yourselves only look worse and worse.
Don't give people further reason to believe you are becoming fascists.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism]>becoming[/url]
I am just waiting for a constructed rape story for Snowden to pop up.
[QUOTE] appropriate legal channels [/QUOTE]
bullying other countries just for one guy isn't appropriate whatsoever
Boo fucking hoo, you put on this show where you all hate each other and then act surprised when they actually go against you?
Why do refer to US as a single entity when it's really just some people who got their knickers in a bunch ?
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;41177695]Why do refer to US as a single entity when it's really just some people who got their knickers in a bunch ?[/QUOTE]
Referring to guys who "got their knickers in a bunch" by their country's name is a widely understood shorter way of saying "responsible people in <insert country> government". That would be my guess.
Great job US, making yourself look worse by going after the guy who whistle-blew instead of investigating the activities he exposed. It's clear now that the public IS the enemy. "Angered" as in "do what we say because we have big army and nukes".
I wonder how anyone could seriously support the us i this situation. Friggin hilarious.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;41177695]Why do refer to US as a single entity when it's really just some people who got their knickers in a bunch ?[/QUOTE]
These people supposedly represent the country, even if in a short way.
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;41178215]I wonder how anyone could seriously support the us i this situation. Friggin hilarious.[/QUOTE]
Not even the [URL="http://preview.reuters.com/2013/6/12/more-americans-see-man-who-leaked-nsa-secrets-as"]US[/URL] is supporting the US in this situation.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41177499]Fuck off, US, you make yourselves only look worse and worse.
Don't give people further reason to believe you are becoming fascists.[/QUOTE]
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America! FUCK YEAH!
[quote]"This was a deliberate choice by the government to release a fugitive despite a valid arrest warrant, and that decision unquestionably has a negative impact on the US-China relationship," he said.[/quote]
You want to know what else has a negative impact on relations?
[quote]Snowden reportedly told the paper: "The NSA does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cellphone companies to steal all of your SMS data."
The paper said Snowden had also passed on information detailing NSA attacks on China's prestigious Tsinghua University, the hub of a major digital network from which data on millions of Chinese citizens could be harvested.
As Snowden made his latest disclosures, the US issued an extradition request to Hong Kong and piled pressure on the territory to respond swiftly. "If Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law," a senior Obama administration official said..[/quote]
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/22/edward-snowden-us-china[/url]
Yeah, I don't think China really gives a shit what the US thinks about this.
The United States authority makes themself look like children fighting over a toy shovel in the sandbox.
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America! FUCK YEAH![/QUOTE] back to back world war champions
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America! FUCK YEAH![/QUOTE]
That doesn't have to do with anything about america's fascism, NSA or Snowden.
Take 5 and come back with a funnier joke that isn't a crude construction of american stereotypes.
[QUOTE=Jocke;41179480]The United States authority makes themself look like children fighting over a toy shovel in the sandbox.[/QUOTE]
with guns.
"US angered by Russia and China over [B]Snowdem[/B]"
Yeah you snow dem up Edward!
Today in SH, asking other countries to respect international extradition laws when pursuing a fugitive criminal is apparently a clear sign of America's descent into rampant fascism, a sign of international bullying, and the mark of a police state.
Pursuing legal channels. Those monsters.
[QUOTE=catbarf;41183902]Today in SH, asking other countries to respect international extradition laws when pursuing a fugitive criminal is apparently a clear sign of America's descent into rampant fascism, a sign of international bullying, and the mark of a police state.
Pursuing legal channels. Those monsters.[/QUOTE]
> Massive international scandal pops, everyone is mad and suspicious towards USA
What does USA do? Try to explain? To appease? To offer some sort of internationally acceptable treaty and solution? Nope.
> HUNT DOWN THAT SNITCH DOWN,HUNT HIM DOWN AND GIVE HIM TO US. MAINLY BE LEGAL OKAY? NO FOUL PLAY ALLOWED
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"B-b-but Putin-kun! I thought we were friends!"
I just finished Metal Gear Solid 2. The parallels are scary.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41185071]> Massive international scandal pops, everyone is mad and suspicious towards USA
What does USA do? Try to explain? To appease? To offer some sort of internationally acceptable treaty and solution? Nope.
> HUNT DOWN THAT SNITCH DOWN,HUNT HIM DOWN AND GIVE HIM TO US. MAINLY BE LEGAL OKAY? NO FOUL PLAY ALLOWED[/QUOTE]
Have you been following the news at all? Every attempt to explain or clarify what the NSA was doing is met with an equal parts mix of sensationalism and skepticism. Right here on Facepunch we have a large proportion of posters who cling to the belief that the US government was monitoring everything from everyone all the time and that any claims to the contrary are just lies from [I]the man[/I] to keep you down.
A senior US official can come out and explain, documents can be declassified that explain, courts can share relevant rulings that explain, but comments here on Facepunch have already proven that all it takes is a quote from a fugitive contractor saying '[i]the government has everything on everyone, it's like 1984 all over again[/i]' and then no amount of evidence is enough. It must be that the courts are corrupt, they're just lying to save their own asses, I can't be bothered to read all these technical documents so I'm just going to listen to media soundbites, and on and on. They've tried to explain, but nobody who already views the US negatively over this cares to hear the explanation.
And really, what do you expect from the US? 'Oh, we wish you didn't leak our top secret information to the whole world, but please accept this fruit basket and be on your merry way'? Even the fact that they're pursuing this legally, on the level, not trying to strongarm other countries with threats is damned commendable I think.
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America! FUCK YEAH![/QUOTE]
go back to 9gag
Well it's folly to think he'd have a fair trial if he was actually brought home and put on trial.
Such fucking bullshit, stop crying US Government, you're in the wrong here entirely. Grow the fuck up & stop chasing this guy. Shut down the NSA while we're at it.
[QUOTE=catbarf;41185537]Have you been following the news at all? Every attempt to explain or clarify what the NSA was doing is met with an equal parts mix of sensationalism and skepticism. Right here on Facepunch we have a large proportion of posters who cling to the belief that the US government was monitoring everything from everyone all the time and that any claims to the contrary are just lies from [I]the man[/I] to keep you down.
A senior US official can come out and explain, documents can be declassified that explain, courts can share relevant rulings that explain, but comments here on Facepunch have already proven that all it takes is a quote from a fugitive contractor saying '[I]the government has everything on everyone, it's like 1984 all over again[/I]' and then no amount of evidence is enough. It must be that the courts are corrupt, they're just lying to save their own asses, I can't be bothered to read all these technical documents so I'm just going to listen to media soundbites, and on and on. They've tried to explain, but nobody who already views the US negatively over this cares to hear the explanation.
And really, what do you expect from the US? 'Oh, we wish you didn't leak our top secret information to the whole world, but please accept this fruit basket and be on your merry way'? Even the fact that they're pursuing this legally, on the level, not trying to strongarm other countries with threats is damned commendable I think.[/QUOTE]
You know it's bad when people start pulling up infowars and RT as a valid source as well. I wonder if anyone here has actually lived in a police state in full swing. It's pretty much an insult to those who have when people just start throwing the phrase around whenever America does anything stupid. America has done a stupid thing buts it is as far away from a police state imaginable. America is not pulling a Russia/China and just killing everyone who leaks something or anyone they don't like.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;41187001]You know it's bad when people start pulling up infowars and RT as a valid source as well. I wonder if anyone here has actually lived in a police state in full swing. It's pretty much an insult to those who have when people just start throwing the phrase around whenever America does anything stupid. America has done a stupid thing buts it is as far away from a police state imaginable. America is not pulling a Russia/China and just killing everyone who leaks something or anyone they don't like.[/QUOTE]
ABC World News tried to make him into the anti-Christ on live television tonight. It is starting to get bad.
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