4 al Qaeda leaders convicted of terrorism executed in Iraq
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[quote]Baghdad (CNN) -- Iraqi authorities executed four al-Qaeda senior leaders after they were convicted of terrorism, the nation's Ministry of Justice reported Monday.
Manaf Abdul-Raheem Abdul-Hameed al-Rawi, the leader of the so-called Islamic State of Iraq in Baghdad, was among the four who were executed by hanging Monday morning.
The executions came on a day when a suicide bomber drove an oil tanker into a police station in central Tikrit, killing at least nine people and wounding 20, an official with Iraq's interior ministry said.
Tikrit is about 160 kilometers (100 miles) north of Baghdad. It's a predominantly Sunni town located in Salaheddin province and is the hometown of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
In Baghdad, two policemen and a civilian were shot dead by gunmen in a pair of incidents, the Interior Ministry said.[/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/01/world/meast/iraq-violence/index.html?hpt=wo_bn8[/url]
Life in prison would have been better, but...on the bright side, at least they're not a problem anymore.
Damn, Al Qaeda leaders have just been dropping like flies the past few years.
[QUOTE=Super_Nova;40139979]Damn, Al Qaeda leaders have just been dropping like flies the past few years.[/QUOTE]
That's a good sign that victory is nigh.
[QUOTE=Super_Nova;40139979]Damn, Al Qaeda leaders have just been dropping like flies the past few years.[/QUOTE]
The more we capture/kill, the more less incompetent ones get into leadership.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle]It's a bit of a forced realization of the Peter Principle[/url]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40139999]The more we capture/kill, the more less incompetent ones get into leadership.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle]It's a bit of a forced realization of the Peter Principle[/url][/QUOTE]
Maybe they'll eventually become so smart that they'll all think that they're the one that deserves to be #1 and kill each other off.
Life in Prison would have been worse, especially in a hot Iraqi prison with brutal abusive guards.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40140156]Life in Prison would have been worse, especially in a hot Iraqi prison with brutal abusive guards.[/QUOTE]
I feel that life,on any level, is better than death.
Funny, the only actual trials of captured Al Qaeda members are taking place in Iraq, not the US. We just imprison them forever without trial because Republicans think that if they are allowed on American soil, terrorist things will happen by osmosis or something.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40139964]Life in prison would have been better, but...on the bright side, at least they're not a problem anymore.[/QUOTE]
In a case like this, letting them live strikes me as impractical, as long as they're alive they could spark protest, attacks, and breakout attempts, having them dead does potentially make them martyrs, but it's less of a risk.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40139964][url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/01/world/meast/iraq-violence/index.html?hpt=wo_bn8[/url]
Life in prison would have been better, but...on the bright side, at least they're not a problem anymore.[/QUOTE]
In a country like Iraq, execution is a better option. The chances of them escaping would have been pretty reasonable and if not I'm sure they would have died much slower and miserable deaths in prison.
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;40139994]That's a good sign that victory is nigh.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, no. The quicker you kill 'em, the quicker they replace 'em. If it was as easy as that, it probably would have been over when we got bin Laden. I think what really needs to be done is look into why Al-Qaeda is able to recruit people, what gives them that driving force. Kill that, and the leaders wont have any purpose.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40140235]Funny, the only actual trials of captured Al Qaeda members are taking place in Iraq, not the US. We just imprison them forever without trial because Republicans think that if they are allowed on American soil, terrorist things will happen by osmosis or something.[/QUOTE]
I think allowing them to be tried in the country that they terrorized is much better.
I see a lot of "ifs" and "mights" for letting them live.
Should we execute more based just on what 'might' happen?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40140284]I see a lot of "ifs" and "mights" for letting them live.
Should we execute more based just on what 'might' happen?[/QUOTE]
They're only "ifs" and "mights" because they didn't live so we'll never know for sure. It's a scenario that never happened so we'll never be 100% certain on what its outcome would be, but those "ifs" and "mights" are the most likely.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40140284]I see a lot of "ifs" and "mights" for letting them live.
Should we execute more based just on what 'might' happen?[/QUOTE]
If there's a serious possibility of them escaping and harming others, then yes. I don't know how likely that is though.
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;40139994]That's a good sign that victory is nigh.[/QUOTE]
Victory is when the countries are able to reform and function without hostility. I don't see that happening in the next 20 years..
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;40139994]That's a good sign that victory is nigh.[/QUOTE]
No. The only thing it's a sign of is that we're closer to leaving.
The only way we could have gotten a victory in this matter is if we hadn't done a damn thing overseas. The best we can hope for is a draw. We've made a martyr out of every last one of them we've killed.
For a forum that is generally against execution... What is going on?
[QUOTE=Stopper;40142060]For a forum that is generally against execution... What is going on?[/QUOTE]
i'd say the forum's mostly divided with this. there's about a 50/50 spread on this kind of issue with quite a bit of variance, maybe 60/40 against execution at a stretch
[QUOTE=Stopper;40142060]For a forum that is generally against execution... What is going on?[/QUOTE]
they remembered that the guy was a terrorist and stopped giving a shit.
[QUOTE=Stopper;40142060]For a forum that is generally against execution... What is going on?[/QUOTE]
I guess some people have exceptions to things. I don't, at least.
[editline]3rd April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40140300]They're only "ifs" and "mights" because they didn't live so we'll never know for sure. It's a scenario that never happened so we'll never be 100% certain on what its outcome would be, but those "ifs" and "mights" are the most likely.[/QUOTE]
Stupid, pointless speculation is what it is.
[editline]3rd April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Melkor;40140304]If there's a serious possibility of them escaping and harming others, then yes. I don't know how likely that is though.[/QUOTE]
Then up security. It's not that difficult.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40142257]I guess some people have exceptions to things. I don't, at least.[/QUOTE]
I appreciate that you stick up to your values, something that a lot of us Facepunchers aren't so capable of, but I feel that in this case, executing the terrorists was the best (not right) thing to do. I'm as opposed to execution as you are. I believe prison should give people a chance to reform, even if they are serving life. I also believe that justice shouldn't involve revenge execution, especially for those who commit violent crimes.
My reason that these terrorists should have been executed is because, I believe, unfortunately, without 100% certainty, that it would result in the least harm for victims. Why would we want to risk these terrorists getting out of prison and doing the same things they did before they were locked up? How about if they were still able to control the al-Qaeda from their prison cells like so many American gang leaders are able to do with their gangs? I just don't see as big of a reason to let the terrorists live as opposed to letting them die. We shouldn't place one life above all others. We should think about the victims AND the suspect, but the victims should have priority if pardoning the suspect would result in their harm.
I'm going to need a citation on the high probability that they're going to escape like everyone is saying. What evidence do you have that it's a near definite?
And if they're truly that much of a threat, given that they're international terrorists, why not give them to another nation to keep locked up, such as France who has both (mostly) good relations with Arab nations and has more western, secure prisons.
There really is a number of alternatives to simply executing.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40142437]I'm going to need a citation on the high probability that they're going to escape like everyone is saying. What evidence do you have that it's a near definite?[/QUOTE]
It's not definite, but there is a risk. I really don't know much about facts and numbers and all of that, which would make me terrible at debating, but I do hope we take the suspect AND the victims in account.
I guess that's at the core of everything I'm saying, and if it is for you too, then we're on the same page.
I understand the desire to protect the victim as well, I just feel that there are other alternatives that could have been looked into.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40142475]I understand the desire to protect the victim as well, I just feel that there are other alternatives that could have been looked into.[/QUOTE]
Well if there are alternatives, we should definitely pursue those instead, provided they work well enough considering the risk.
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