Man 'on neighborhood watch' kills 20-year-old outside home
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A North Carolina man who said he was "on the neighborhood watch" fatally shot a 20-year-old from inside his garage before telling a 911 dispatcher he was protecting his family from "hoodlums," according to Raleigh police.
Chad Copley, 39, was charged with the death of Kouren-Rodney Bernard Thomas, who police said was outside Copley's home when he was shot just before 1 a.m. Sunday. Copley is being held without bond at Wake County Detention Center, police said.
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"I am locked and loaded," he tells the dispatcher. "I'm going outside to secure my neighborhood. You need to send PD as quickly as possible."
The dispatcher asks, "I'm sorry. You're going out to do what to the neighborhood, sir?"
"...I'm going to secure my neighborhood. I'm on the neighborhood watch. I'm going to have the neighbors with me. There's hoodlums out here racing up and down the street. It's 1 o'clock in the morning. There's several dozen of them. They have firearms, and we're going to secure our neighborhood. If I were you, I'd send PD as quickly as possible"
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"We have a lot of people outside our house yelling and shouting profanities. I yelled at them, 'Please leave the premises.' They were showing a firearm, so I fired a warning shot and we got somebody that they got hit."
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"OK, so somebody was shot?" the dispatcher asks.
"Well, I don't know if they're shot or not, ma'am. I fired my warning shot like I'm supposed to by law. They do have firearms, and I'm trying to protect myself and my family,"
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He (organiser of party) didn't know Thomas personally, he said, and he didn't see anyone armed or causing problems outside his home that night.
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Raleigh police don't know if Thomas or anyone accompanying him was armed, said spokeswoman Laura Hourigan. Police records show authorities were not called to the block -- for the party or otherwise -- before the first call in which the man told the dispatcher he was going to "secure the neighborhood."
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[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/09/us/raleigh-north-carolina-man-shoots-african-american-outside-home-911-calls/[/url]
Not sure if theres any proof if they were armed. Even if they were he didn't really act in self defence since they weren't on his property. He wasn't actually in the neighbourhood watch. His "warning shot" turned out to be fatal. Clear cut case?
Oh boy. BLM will love this
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[QUOTE]"OK, so somebody was shot?" the dispatcher asks.
"Well, I don't know if they're shot or not, ma'am. I fired my warning shot like I'm supposed to by law. (...)[/QUOTE]
Can someone tell me if this is legally true? If he actually ended up hitting someone you can't consider this a warning shot anyways. And even if it was truly just by accident that he hit him, and not just a lie, it would still be negligent homicide.
This guy's statements makes no sense. Bordering on mentally ill / deluded or drunk (considering there was a party).
It sounds more like he shot somebody with some kind of grandiose "protector" delusions, or is just a dick/racist, scared about black people in his neighborhood, that shot someone and then realized he better think of a way to dig himself out of a murder charge.
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"I am locked and loaded,"
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Fucking hell. Easy there Rambo.
Don't u shot up in the air when u need to warn?
[QUOTE=VprVajraRpv;50865876]Don't u shot up in the air when u need to warn?[/QUOTE]
I dont think so actually, there is a chance of the bullet coming back down and causing damage.
I'm not sure you're even supposed to do that. Bullets do come down eventually you know.
Why are these kinds of people legally able to obtain firearms?
Don't they have like psychological examinations or something?
[QUOTE=Dr McNinja;50865886]I'm not sure you're even supposed to do that. Bullets do come down eventually you know.[/QUOTE]
You don't.
When you shoot, you shoot as a last resort, to kill.
You don't shoot to wound, you don't shoot to warn.
If you shoot, it'd better be for a damn good reason.
[QUOTE=VprVajraRpv;50865876]Don't u shot up in the air when u need to warn?[/QUOTE]Literally never because your shot will come back down. I recall hearing about people being killed by bullets falling from someone firing off a gun in to the air from miles away.
Based on what this guy is saying its fairly obvious hes unhinged and went into overzealous protection mode the second he saw black kids in his neigbourhood. You cant seriously believe this was an accident. He didnt even call the police before he shot and based on what im reading they werent posing any threat to him.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50865894]Literally never because your shot will come back down. I recall hearing about people being killed by bullets falling from someone firing off a gun in to the air from miles away.[/QUOTE]
If its a shotgun I guess birdshot might be safe when it lands. If he killed someone on "a warning shot" he was probably using something more substantial.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50865894]Literally never because your shot will come back down. I recall hearing about people being killed by bullets falling from someone firing off a gun in to the air from miles away.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know about that, but was phearps better than trowing some warn shoots directly to the guy.
This is an open and closed case. Guy was nuts, there were no guns, no street racing, and there's a witness and a whole party full of people who can corroborate stories and situations. He's on recording announcing intent to shoot people.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50865904]Based on what this guy is saying its fairly obvious hes unhinged and went into overzealous protection mode the second he saw black kids in his neigbourhood. You cant seriously believe this was an accident.[B] He didnt even call the police before he shot[/B] and based on what im reading they werent posing any threat to him.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he did, "I'm locked and loaded"? There were several calls to the dispatcher, at least one before the shot, at least one after, and the victim's friend called after too.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;50865975]This is an open and closed case. Guy was nuts, there were no guns, no street racing, and there's a witness and a whole party full of people who can corroborate stories and situations. He's on recording announcing intent to shoot people.
Yeah he did, "I'm locked and loaded"? There were several calls to the dispatcher, at least one before the shot, at least one after, and the victim's friend called after too.[/QUOTE]
Ok reading the article he called them to make a vague threat about securing his neighbourhood and then refused to give his address when they asked where the police should go.
[QUOTE=MadBomber;50865885]I dont think so actually, there is a chance of the bullet coming back down and causing damage.[/QUOTE]
He used a shotgun. Buckshot won't hurt anyone when it comes back down. A slug would be another story, but I doubt he was using slugs.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50865889]No. Physics is a bitch. What goes up, must come down (and potentially kill someone). I'm supprised north carolina has a "warning shot" law (if they do) most states expressly forbid warning shots.
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just checked. So far no mention what so ever of "required warning shots"[/QUOTE]
Wasn't that Mythbusted?
Whether it'll hurt anyone or not, firing a shot in the air is using deadly force. If you're firing a warning shot to try to scare someone, you are threatening them with deadly force and negligently discharging a firearm and that's totally illegal. You don't shoot at all unless you are in immediate life-threatening danger, and then you shoot to stop the threat, which means aiming center-mass and shooting until you are no longer in danger. No warning shots, no 'aim for the knee' or other nonsense, you either don't shoot at all or you shoot to end the threat. There is no in between where deadly force is concerned.
There is no legal requirement to fire a warning shot, it's actually a crime, and obviously if someone gets hit it's not a warning. This was plain murder.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50866156]Wasn't that Mythbusted?[/QUOTE]Not really, that was about a bullet fired literally straight upwards. When a bullet is fired up, getting it to go exactly straight up is damn near impossible, so instead it arcs and maintains a lot of its momentum.
The guy fired the shot from within his house breaking a window in the process. I very much doubt he was aiming into the sky.
[QUOTE]Thomas is African-American. Copley is white.[/QUOTE]
There's a hyphen now?
In 10 years I expect black people to be referred to as the melatoninly-inclined.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50866188]There's a hyphen now?
In 10 years I expect black people to be referred to as the melatoninly-inclined.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what the hyphen is about, and I'm even less sure about how or why you made the leap to jabbing at political correctness because of it.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50866188]There's a hyphen now?
In 10 years I expect black people to be referred to as the melatoninly-inclined.[/QUOTE]
Questioning the use of a hyphen while also confusing melatonin with melanin in the same post. Good one.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50866188]There's a hyphen now?
In 10 years I expect black people to be referred to as the melatoninly-inclined.[/QUOTE]
Please be sarcastic
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50866188]There's a hyphen now?
In 10 years I expect black people to be referred to as the melatoninly-inclined.[/QUOTE]
Is this a real post that I'm reading.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50866156]Wasn't that Mythbusted?[/QUOTE]
Even if it won't kill someone it can definitely hurt someone or damage property.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50866188]There's a hyphen now?
In 10 years I expect black people to be referred to as the melatoninly-inclined.[/QUOTE]
Dude its a line, what difference does it makes. I have seen it like this before, its not new. We aren't calling them nutella flavored people, its literally just a hyphen.
[QUOTE=VprVajraRpv;50865876]Don't u shot up in the air when u need to warn?[/QUOTE]
No. There is nowhere that I know of that states you have to give a warning shot. In fact, warning shots are fairly dangerous because people will shoot off to the sides and hit somebody.
damnit not again.
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[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;50865866]Oh boy. BLM will love this
[editline]dicks[/editline]
Can someone tell me if this is legally true? If he actually ended up hitting someone you can't consider this a warning shot anyways. And even if it was truly just by accident that he hit him, and not just a lie, it would still be negligent homicide.[/QUOTE]
no it is not, discharging a firearm is still discharging a firearm
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[QUOTE=Megadave;50866156]Wasn't that Mythbusted?[/QUOTE]
no because it happens all around the world where people die from falling bullets, like a recent case in pakistan where wedding traditions involve shooting guns off, people do get hit by the bullets. its rare but it does happen
shotguns are a different story since it all depends on what was loaded, birdshot is actually designed with this in mind and wont be lethal when it lands
this thread got dumb really fast
[QUOTE=Solomon;50866714]this thread got dumb really fast[/QUOTE]
I mean I don't know what you expected
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