$1000
Jesus christ.
It's good for people on the move a lot, I guess, But $1000 is a lot of money for something like this.
I can make a computer better than this with a $1000
Fuck that
This will never sell, unless they drastically drop the price.
And everyone's forgetting the "want 512 GB of storage space? $750 extra." I don't see this doing well at all. Anyone who is into PC gaming has a gaming PC, anyone who is into console gaming (and not PC gaming) will see the price and be turned off.
It's pretty neat considering how small it is.
Perfect for LAN parties and the like.
If only it didn't cost a fucking grand.
Wasn't the PS3 like $1000 in Australia at launch? Pretty sure that sold damn poorly as well until they chopped the price. There is no reason to buy this if you know or have friends to help you build a computer designed for gaming.
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The only feature I like is how small it is. Very carry-able.
[QUOTE=The very best;39875757]1000$
It's good for people on the move a lot, I guess, But $1000 is a lot of money for something like this.[/QUOTE]
And that's why it's good thing that many developers are developing Mini-PCs and people are
gonna get a wider variety of those. Intel and Valve are two of them. Valve also talked with aprox. 15-20 developers, to develop Mini-PCs.
Yeah, the price is high. But that doesn't mean that all of them need to have such a high price.
Valve also said, when they release their own,
it won't be a huge marketing thing. They will quietly release it and wait for feedback.
Also you shouldn't expect it to sell like around 20 million times. Really, the target audience isn't that huge and it's mainly focused on
the american market.
The main purpose why these PCs are getting developed is to ensure the platforms being open, since Microsoft, Apple and Sony
focus on developing closed platforms.
When this become cheaper, I might be it and I wonder if I can still use it as a normal computer. If that is possible I can ditch my PC.
...Or just get a PC the size of a VCR which is much easier and cheaper to upgrade than this tiny box.
"Super cool chassis customization"
*red, blue, green, orange* yeah ok
I can understand making it small, but why that small? I feel like a slightly larger chassis that accommodates more standard PC parts would be a smart move, since it would be cheaper to manufacture and cheaper for the end user...
I struggle to see why this demands such a high price, yes it's small, but the manufacturing techniques are identical to those used for smartphones or tablets, which come in at the £200 mark now, at least for a Nexus device. The smaller PCB should reduce costs, not make them more expensive, though I guess you'd have to use the smallest pitch parts, and high system integration, but still, I don't think it's $1000 worth of device.
[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;39876086]"Super cool chassis customization"
*red, blue, green, orange* yeah ok[/QUOTE]
You can laser etch a logo into it and get patterns and the like too.
if this had an x- infront of it, people would easily fork over 1000$ for it, as it stands, most pc people are smart enough to realise they can buy graphics cards twice the size of that thing and put togather a rig for less than 1000$
[QUOTE=ben1066;39876175]I struggle to see why this demands such a high price, yes it's small, but the manufacturing techniques are identical to those used for smartphones or tablets, which come in at the £200 mark now, at least for a Nexus device. The smaller PCB should reduce costs, not make them more expensive, though I guess you'd have to use the smallest pitch parts, and high system integration, but still, I don't think it's $1000 worth of device.[/QUOTE]
Well, no, not really. Phones are still some $500-$600 off contract, and smaller PCBs mean you have to shrink principally larger parts into a much smaller package.
This will fail.
make it bigger and sell it for less tia
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39876117]I can understand making it small, but why that small? I feel like a slightly larger chassis that accommodates more standard PC parts would be a smart move, since it would be cheaper to manufacture and cheaper for the end user...[/QUOTE]
That's the key gimmick though really, it's primarily meant to attach to the back of monitors and stuff. It's definitely a niche product for rich folk wot go to LAN parties a lot.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39876325]Well, no, not really. Phones are still some $500-$600 off contract, and smaller PCBs mean you have to shrink principally larger parts into a much smaller package.[/QUOTE]
Not really, as I said, the Nexus series, which are thought to be sold at cost/near cost are £200-£300, nowhere near the 1000$ they're charging here. The parts themselves are not really that different, the dies are tiny, the packages have to have a finer pitch to be smaller, but as I said, it's not really 1000$ worth of size reduction....
Psh, that just killed their sales unless some rich kid buys one. I was considering buying one until the price. I'm just gonna build a new small form factor machine that runs the unix operating system and i'll attempt to make steam start in big picture when the OS starts.
[QUOTE=ben1066;39876550]Not really, as I said, the Nexus series, which are thought to be sold at cost/near cost are £200-£300, nowhere near the 1000$ they're charging here. The parts themselves are not really that different, the dies are tiny, the packages have to have a finer pitch to be smaller, but as I said, it's not really 1000$ worth of size reduction....[/QUOTE]
ARM hardware is generally much cheaper than x86 hardware to begin with. It's probably $600 worth of hardware with $400 of profit mixed with size reduction thrown on top.
NINE HUNDRED NINTEY NINE US DOLLARS
The fact that it costs like 750 extra dollars for half a terabyte of space is hilarious. I would rather buy a fucking monstrous machine for 1750 dollars with 2 TB of space and just hook it up to a TV then spend 1750 dollars with 500 GB space that the only difference between the monster is that it's way smaller.
Like, this is going to fail really fucking hard unless some SERIOUS price cuts are done.
Why are people still calling this the steam box
The piston is a completely separate project that was a kickstater, funded by Valve, which got them a customized "steam" version. The console itself isnt made by valve.
The steambox is something completely different.
This isn't the steam box and every damn news site being wrong and calling it the steambox is going to make the hype for the real thing die really damn quicky
[QUOTE=latin_geek;39876773]This isn't the steam box and every damn news site being wrong and calling it the steambox is going to make the hype for the real thing die really damn quicky[/QUOTE]
It fucking baffles me how incompetent gaming media is being about this, it has been explained several times that it isn't the steambox, and they still don't get it.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39876669]ARM hardware is generally much cheaper than x86 hardware to begin with. It's probably $600 worth of hardware with $400 of profit mixed with size reduction thrown on top.[/QUOTE]
600$ worth of hardware? You must be joking. Let me give you a better estimate:
AMD APU ~130$ (the most expensive one I could find)
8GB DDR3 ~50$
custom made motherboard with bare minimum amount of functionality (you can't really bring many expandability options in a case this small) ~50$
Case, power supply (can be very cheap since it only has to supply less than 100W), heatsinks ~50$
Total: about 280$, didn't see any mention of a harddrive / SSD, so add anywhere from 50 to 200 to that price depending on what exactly they put in. Keep in mind this is the price for the consumer if you tried to buy the components yourself, they probably get them cheaper.
[QUOTE=Untouch;39876793]It fucking baffles me how incompetent gaming media is being about this, it has been explained several times that it isn't the steambox, and they still don't get it.[/QUOTE]
gaming media as of late seems to have been taken over by people with no connection to gaming, it's all buzzwords and extreme hype or 'insider info' about untrue garbage that gets people riled up, visiting their sites, and padding their bank accounts with advertising views. It's much less about being reliable and gaining a trusted source these days, and more about doing things that get the attention of everybody (for better or worse)
[QUOTE=pebkac;39876947]600$ worth of hardware? You must be joking. Let me give you a better estimate:
AMD APU ~130$ (the most expensive one I could find)
8GB DDR3 ~50$
custom made motherboard with bare minimum amount of functionality (you can't really bring many expandability options in a case this small) ~50$
Case, power supply (can be very cheap since it only has to supply less than 100W), heatsinks ~50$
Total: about 280$, didn't see any mention of a harddrive / SSD, so add anywhere from 50 to 200 to that price depending on what exactly they put in. Keep in mind this is the price for the consumer if you tried to buy the components yourself, they probably get them cheaper.[/QUOTE]
You're not accounting for the form factor (which it would be impossible to create yourself) or the software on the Piston.
As far as we know, the initial batch of piston could be a limited run which would make each unit a lot more expensive for the usual reasons.
The Piston is god damn expensive, but it will probably be a little popular with people who have more money than sense because it's the first such device. Later Steam consoles will probably be a little more accessible.
[QUOTE=pebkac;39876947]600$ worth of hardware? You must be joking. Let me give you a better estimate:
AMD APU ~130$ (the most expensive one I could find)
8GB DDR3 ~50$
custom made motherboard with bare minimum amount of functionality (you can't really bring many expandability options in a case this small) ~50$
Case, power supply (can be very cheap since it only has to supply less than 100W), heatsinks ~50$
Total: about 280$, didn't see any mention of a harddrive / SSD, so add anywhere from 50 to 200 to that price depending on what exactly they put in. Keep in mind this is the price for the consumer if you tried to buy the components yourself, they probably get them cheaper.[/QUOTE]
They specifically mention it is going to have a multi-piece motherboard. And I really doubt it's going to be an AMD APU.
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