[URL]http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/11/issue_2_early_ohio_election_re.html[/URL]
[release]CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A million votes have been counted and nearly 63 percent of them are "No" votes on state Issue 2 (Senate Bill 5).And just a few minutes ago, the Associated Press has called the race -- saying Issue 2 and Senate Bill 5 have been defeated.
Here is some background on what Issue 2 is about: It is allowing voters decide whether to keep or repeal Senate Bill 5 - a historic rewrite of Ohio’s collective bargaining law, originally passed in 1983.The choice voters faced today was this:A “yes” vote was to preserve Ohio's new collective bargaining law. A “no” ballot was a vote to repeal that law.
On Monday, AFL-CIO President [B]Richard Trumka led a canvassing of Cleveland[/B] neighborhoods in a last-day effort to defeat Issue 2. Meanwhile, Republican Ohio Gov. John [B]Kasich continues to stump[/B] for preserving the new law, commonly known by its legislative name, Senate Bill 5.[/release]
[B][U]What Senate Bill 5 does:[/U][/B]
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-Reduces the collective bargaining power of about 360,000 public workers in Ohio. The current collective-bargaining law gives workers the right to negotiate on a broad scope of topics including wages, hours, working conditions and any provision from an expiring contract that an employer wants to change. Under SB 5, workers no longer have the right to bargain changes from a previous contract. Certain topics that have been central to negotiations, such as health care benefits, can’t be bargained anymore. Several other topics can be bargained only if management agrees. These topics, known as “management rights,” include the right to decide employee qualifications, starting and quitting times, work assignments, promotion rules and other topics.
-Bans public-worker strikes.
-Eliminates binding arbitration, a process allowing a third party to impose a settlement when a union and management reach an impasse, and replaces it with a process that gives a governing body, such as a city council, the final say on a union contract.
-Eliminates “fair-share fees” - required payments to unions from workers who choose not to join their union. Fair share fees currently can be included in a collective-bargaining agreement as a term of employment.
-Places caps on paid personal days (three), paid holidays (12) and the amount of unused sick and vacation time a worker can cash in upon retirement.
-Eliminates automatic pay raises based on seniority and establishes a performance-based pay system.
-Prohibits seniority from being the sole factor considered when workers are laid off.
-Requires public workers to pay at least 15 percent of their health care costs and to contribute at least 10 percent of their salary toward their pension.[/quote]
Some aspects of Senate Bill five weren't so terrible, but overall I believe it limited the abilities of workers to negotiate far too much. I know unions aren't always the fairest or best, but I'd still rather see the worker retain as much power as possible over the employer. And banning public worker strikes is ridiculous.
Sanity. What the hell?
Sounds like they merely added some good (See: Objective) things to make it seem like the bill wasn't entirely choking. Shit like:
[quote]-Eliminates automatic pay raises based on seniority and establishes a performance-based pay system.[/quote]
Should already be in the system. Iunno, they should stop trying to rip bargaining rights from working people.
[quote]-Bans public-worker strikes.[/quote]
Does NO ONE read the constitution anymore?
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;33193503]Does NO ONE read the constitution anymore?[/QUOTE]
Of course. They get to the first two lines then just wave their arms and shout "tl;dr"
Son of a bitch. This 'collective bargaining' shit is out of control. I voted yes earlier today, oh well. The voice of the people has been heard.
[QUOTE=Javascript;33193559]Son of a bitch. This 'collective bargaining' shit is out of control. I voted yes earlier today, oh well. The voice of the people has been heard.[/QUOTE]
"Hey man, workers having sway over what goes on at their workplace is such bullshit!"
[QUOTE=Javascript;33193559]This 'collective bargaining' shit is out of control.[/QUOTE]
I know right
Next these ingrates will be clamouring for "workplace safety" and "lunch breaks"
Wow, they actually...did something good for the working class? This is unusual, and welcome.
Mississippi ban abortion yet?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33193632]I know right
Next these ingrates will be clamouring for "workplace safety" and "lunch breaks"[/QUOTE]
This guy said that he needs "surgery" because he fell and injured himself while on a construction job. What a joker.
[QUOTE=Vaught;33193480]Should already be in the system. Iunno, they should stop trying to rip bargaining rights from working people.[/QUOTE]
But... But... [I][B]SOCIALISM[/B][/I]...
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;33193676]Wow, they actually...did something good for the working class? This is unusual, and welcome.
Mississippi ban abortion yet?[/QUOTE]
Well it was a referendum, not the state legislature.
Thank god at least one state is showing some common sense.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;33193503]Does NO ONE read the constitution anymore?[/QUOTE]
The Constitution says nothing about publick-worker strikes.
While the bill had some good points in it, it ultimately did more bad than good.
I really don't understand why everybody is all "COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IS HORRIBLE AND TERRIBLE AND WILL COST US LOADS OF MONEY! FUCK GOVERNMENT WORKERS!"
Good way to reverse progress if you ask me.
I'd be okay if they introduced some of the ideas in the bill separately, like the seniority vs. performance, but chances are they won't.
gg Kasich
[QUOTE=Vandl92;33194723]Thank god at least one state is showing some common sense.[/QUOTE] I'm happy it's mine, too
Ohio isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than other states apparently.
Glad to be from Ohio today.
I am from Ohio and I have never been anywhere else in my entire life is it nice outside of these 5 counties I have never left
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;33193503]Does NO ONE read the constitution anymore?[/QUOTE]People read the constitution?
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;33194747]The Constitution says nothing about publick-worker strikes.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, he should have said "Federal Law" or something like that, which said laws take priority over State laws, because the Constitution says so.
Collective bargaining severely limited the ability for law enforcement, fire, and EMS to negotiate to keep manpower up. Had this passed, you would have seen less police on the streets - less firefighters and EMS to respond to calls, and over all things would have been fairly ugly pretty quickly.
I think this is the moment when we can put Ohio in the "likely Democrat" pile for 2012.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;33202620]I think this is the moment when we can put Ohio in the "likely Democrat" pile for 2012.[/QUOTE]
Let's hope so. Ohio is one of the most important states politically speaking.
Also fun fact: Barack Obama has visited Ohio more than any other state.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;33193503]Does NO ONE read the constitution anymore?[/QUOTE]
Only the first, second and fifth amendments. Those are the only ones they need, they can get out of anything with those!
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;33202620]I think this is the moment when we can put Ohio in the "likely Democrat" pile for 2012.[/QUOTE]It's always so close here.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33203793]Only the first, second and fifth amendments. Those are the only ones they need, they can get out of anything with those![/QUOTE]
third amendment most useless amendment ~1787~
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