• 65 years old knocked off his bicycle by three kids. Results? One dead, one wounded, one in jail
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[quote]A 65-year-old Reading man who was riding his bicycle was justified in shooting two teens - one fatally - who tried to rob him on a Schuylkill River trail as part of a crime spree, the Berks County district attorney said Thursday. The teens, age 16 and 15, and another 15-year-old boy skipped school Wednesday and robbed two pedestrians in West Reading before they attacked the man as he rode on the Thun Trail in Cumru Township at 11 a.m., police said. The man, whose name authorities withheld, will not be charged for shooting the teens because he acted in self-defense, which is legal under Pennsylvania's Castle Doctrine, District Attorney John T. Adams said. "While I don't condone violence, the bike rider had no choice," Adams said. "It was justifiable homicide." Julius Johnson, 16, of Reading was pronounced dead at the scene Wednesday morning after he was shot in his chest with a handgun, officials said. An autopsy Thursday by Dr. Supriya Kuruvila, a forensic pathologist at Reading Hospital, determined Johnson died of a gunshot wound to the chest, according to the county coroner's office. The death was ruled a homicide, officials said. The 15-year-old shot in the neck remained in Reading Hospital on Thursday, officials said. Information about his medical condition could not be obtained. Police did not release his name because he has not been charged. The third teen, Michael Gonzalez, 15, address unavailable, was charged with robbery, aggravated assault and related offenses and committed to the county youth center in Bern Township. Officials said an investigation continues. Johnson was a Reading High School student, and the 15-year-olds are Gov. Mifflin High School students, Adams said. Adams gave this account: Johnson was on probation for previous offenses. Juvenile probation officers had gone to his Oakbrook residence earlier Wednesday and found the three teens playing video games. They told the two 15-year-olds to leave. The officers put an electronic monitoring device on Johnson's ankle, ordered him to stay home and report to their office with his parents at 4 p.m. Instead, the three met up and decided to jump and rob random victims. They first robbed an elderly man in West Reading shortly after 10 a.m., taking money from his pockets, then tried to rob another man in West Reading, kneeing him in the stomach and pushing him to the ground. Neither man was hurt. The bike rider was on the trail between Reading and West Reading. As he rode past the teens, the 15-year-old whose name was not released punched the man in the face, knocking him from his bike. Johnson ran and kicked the man, who was sitting against a chain-link fence along the trail. As one of the teens ran toward the man, he shot Johnson and the 15-year-old. People who found the man called 9-1-1 and waited for police to arrive. It was unclear if the people heard the shots or were on the trail. The teens weren't armed, but the shootings were legal because the man was unable to escape, thought his life was in danger and had a permit to carry his gun, Adams said. The man told investigators: "I was scared for my life. I was in big trouble. If I could have kept my bike on the trail, I would have gotten out of there." The man was unhurt but shaken by the shootings, Adams said. Adams did not know if Johnson's monitoring device had GPS tracking capabilities or if it simply triggered an alarm when he left his home. Adams said juvenile probation officers acted appropriately. Cumru Police Chief Jed Habecker credited his department for its quick investigation. He said the crime was only the second robbery to occur along the Cumru section of the Thun Trail in about a decade. Adams said he has heard from many people in the community that the bicyclist was a hero for successfully defending himself. "When your life is in danger, you have no choice but to use deadly force," he said.[/quote] [url]http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=361731[/url]
Respect your elders, Kids!
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That's pretty fucking crazy...
looking for a weak old man got a retiree with cc
They deserved it Good thing he got off
Good riddance.
6 posts and no gun laws debate yet. You're getting better, fp.
why the fuck are you guys praising a child killer lol
[QUOTE=proch;38167656]6 posts and no gun laws debate yet. You're getting better, fp.[/QUOTE] You just started it.
Is no-one fazed about the fact that the old guy killed someone? Not saying if it was a good or bad thing, not getting into that debate.
Um what the fuck, how is a crazy old man killing a child who simply knocked him over a good thing? You guys are fucked up.
Don't pick a fight with old guys, they're too old to fight so they'll just kill ya.
[QUOTE=Spot of Tea;38167618]They deserved it Good thing he got off[/QUOTE] Well, I wouldn't say the kid deserved to get shot dead but it's not like the old guy could do much else to defend himself.
[QUOTE=Spot of Tea;38167618]They deserved it Good thing he got off[/QUOTE] Jesus christ man a kid died over this. Sure he was doing a shitty thing and deserved to go to juvie or something but he didn't need to die.
eh I think killing a child is a little harsh for attempted robbery
awaiting social commentary on "this generation"
[QUOTE=Scot;38167688]Um what the fuck, how is a crazy old man killing a child who simply knocked him over a good thing? You guys are fucked up.[/QUOTE] it was a robbery attempt
Some punks harass and try to rob an old man. That's bad. In retaliation the old man kills one and hospitalizes another. Not sure how I feel about this. It was robbery, yes, but he outright killed one? I won't point fingers this time, but this is seriously depressing.
Just a average 65 year old man riding a bike an he pulls out a guy an shoots the kids. Ya know, gotta carry a gun in the woods. Bandits might come out.
I'd say his defense was excessive but from the sounds they pushed him off then started to attack him. He had all rights to use his gun in self defense, the kids should have known better and ended up really badly because of it.
[QUOTE=Spot of Tea;38167618]They deserved it Good thing he got off[/QUOTE] Fucking hell. You don't kill people for pushing you off a bike.
I know we don't have all the facts but could he not have just given one of them a non-lethal shot so they'd leave him? Doesn't sound like they even had a knife or anything... I'm not siding with the little pricks, I just think the death of a 16 year old could have been avoided. [B][b]Edit:[/b] [/B]Why is this thread getting so many winners? I bet if he fire his gun once in any direction they would've legged it
[QUOTE=Tea;38167721]it was a robbery attempt[/QUOTE] And?
[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;38167706]eh I think killing a child is a little harsh for attempted robbery[/QUOTE] children shouldn't be robbing people in the first place.
He did the right thing, he is an old man and got attacked 3 teens. What else would he do?
When people act completely in a non civil manner and are treated in a non civil way, I feel indifferent. You attack with intent to rob a man blind and get killed. What do you think would've happened? You were going to be all fine and have no risk to it? Only an idiot would think that. And, was this the shooter? [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CipXIx34jTI"][img]http://www.filmkvetch.com/wp-content/uploads/pics/clint.jpg[/img][/URL] EDIT: to add, in argument of anyone who disagrees with the shooter assuming the article is 100% accurate. to punish a man for self defense just because someone died is I'm sorry, you'd have to be a complete asshole to even think that. I normally would accept others opinions but when you see someone rob a bank and put a gun to someones head, and end up being killed instead, and punish the man who killed the robber in self defense, you just have to be the biggest cunt out there. That is on par with punishing a victim of rape in my opinion. It's a very backwards thought.
[QUOTE=Lunik;38167725]Some punks harass and try to rob an old man. That's bad. In retaliation the old man kills one and hospitalizes another. Not sure how I feel about this. It was robbery, yes, but he outright killed one? I won't point fingers this time, but this is seriously depressing.[/QUOTE] I doubt he went in for the kill.
[QUOTE=Tea;38167721]it was a robbery attempt[/QUOTE] So some old man's belongings are worth more than a kid's life. Sure.
[QUOTE=Scot;38167688]Um what the fuck, how is a crazy old man killing a child who simply knocked him over a good thing? You guys are fucked up.[/QUOTE] I think you missed this part: [quote]Police said two teens then assaulted the man, who drew his gun and shot them.[/quote] They knocked him over, then assaulted him further before he shot them. It was either a straight up murder attempt or a violent robbery attempt, both are strong reasons to defend yourself with deadly force.
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