Statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee removed from Dallas park under armed police guard
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[quote]Crews arranged by Dallas officials have removed a statue of Robert E. Lee from a pedestal in a park named for the Confederate general.
In an unannounced move, a large crane was brought through the city by a police escort to Lee Park, where it lifted the large statue from its pedestal on Thursday.
City officials said in a statement that an art conservator monitored the proper handling of the statue, and police tactical officers with automatic rifles provided security.[/quote]
I guess nobody wants the events in charlottesville to happen again
Now replace it with General Sherman.
Replace it with an Obama statue lol
Neat, put it in a museum. Don't need glorified symbols of oppression on the streets anymore
The removal alone is costing the city around half a million dollars.
Dallas has fucking shit streets, homeless people around every corner, horrible inner city schools. Not to mention the understaffed police force and growing crime in some parts of town. I'm sure dropping half a mill removing an old statue that 90% of the people of Dallas didn't even know existed will fix all of the problems.
No one in the city got to vote on this, it's the shit mayor virtue signaling with tax payer dollars.
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52682850]Replace it with an Obama statue lol[/QUOTE]
Or better yet, a statue of Abraham Lincoln.
Good to see people finally coming to there senses about confederate statues, now hopfully it gets put in a museum or something.
I mean america does have civil war museums right, plenty of places for these statues to go.
[QUOTE=discofex;52682838]Now replace it with General Sherman.[/QUOTE]
Texas would probably have the weakest reaction to that out of all the ex-CSA states (relatively speaking).
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;52682895]The removal alone is costing the city around half a million dollars.
Dallas has fucking shit streets, homeless people around every corner, horrible inner city schools. Not to mention the understaffed police force and growing crime in some parts of town. I'm sure dropping half a mill removing an old statue that 90% of the people of Dallas didn't even know existed will fix all of the problems.
No one in the city got to vote on this, it's the shit mayor virtue signaling with tax payer dollars.[/QUOTE]
There will never be a time in history where you can say "Well, we've fixed literally every other problem we have, [I]now[/I] we can work on this". It's a shame it cost so much, but it's an even bigger shame these statues exist in the first place
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52682886]Neat, put it in a museum. Don't need glorified symbols of oppression on the streets anymore[/QUOTE]
The statue was erected in 1936, 70 years after the Civil War. It doesn't need to go in a museum. Besides, there's probably enough Confederate shit in museums anyways.
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This 'put it in a museum' meme needs to die
[QUOTE=Howlthrug;52682906]Or better yet, a statue of Abraham Lincoln.[/QUOTE]
Or Abradolf Lincler
[QUOTE=discofex;52682838]Now replace it with General Sherman.[/QUOTE]
Or replace it with a real sherman. Doesn't need to have any historical significance at all in relation to that particular spot. Just put one there and watch the kids go crazy. :terrists:
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[QUOTE=BF;52683137]The statue was erected in 1936, 70 years after the Civil War. It doesn't need to go in a museum. Besides, there's probably enough Confederate shit in museums anyways.
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This 'put it in a museum' meme needs to die[/QUOTE]
i'd like to meet the group of people who learn history by walking around and looking at statues
like some guy finds a robert e lee statue and says "whoa, we had a civil war?"
[QUOTE=BF;52683137]The statue was erected in 1936, 70 years after the Civil War. It doesn't need to go in a museum. Besides, there's probably enough Confederate shit in museums anyways.
[editline]15th September 2017[/editline]
This 'put it in a museum' meme needs to die[/QUOTE]
It's a nice statue though, awful history aside.
If they wanted to make it meaningful they would have won by vote.
Now it is a virtue signal by the major and a move sparked by the potential threat of violence.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52683189]If they wanted to make it meaningful they would have won by vote.
Now it is a virtue signal by the major and a move sparked by the potential threat of violence.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;52682895]
No one in the city got to vote on this, it's the shit mayor virtue signaling with tax payer dollars.[/QUOTE]
It passed the city council vote 13 to 1. I don't even know what virtue signaling means in this context.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52683328]It passed the city council vote 13 to 1. I don't even know what virtue signaling means in this context.[/QUOTE]
Doing anything political is a signal of virtue apparently. Having good virtues is just virtue signaling.
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[QUOTE=BF;52683137]The statue was erected in 1936, 70 years after the Civil War. It doesn't need to go in a museum. Besides, there's probably enough Confederate shit in museums anyways.
[editline]15th September 2017[/editline]
This 'put it in a museum' meme needs to die[/QUOTE]
So just fuckin destroy it lmao
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52683385]Doing anything political is a signal of virtue apparently. Having good virtues is just virtue signaling.
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So just fuckin destroy it lmao[/QUOTE]
just have a public auction for it, watch all these people who suddenly care about the civil war bid on it
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52683328]It passed the city council vote 13 to 1. I don't even know what virtue signaling means in this context.[/QUOTE]
Article read as if they did it "unannounced".
Atleast there was some kind of vote behind it. So I correct myself.
Apparently a Truck driver had to die for it though.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52683328]It passed the city council vote 13 to 1. I don't even know what virtue signaling means in this context.[/QUOTE]
The vote took place on a briefing day, or a day where there were no votes scheduled. The mayor's excuse was that it was an "emergency". It was blindsided in so no one was there to oppose it or give an argument. Any notions to postpone or leave to a voter referendum was shut down because "no more debate was necessary".
Nation wide citizens are against the removal of the statues, and in a local poll between adding African American statues to the park or removing the lee statue, [URL="https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-city-hall/2017/09/05/opposition-group-rises-effort-slow-dallas-city-council-vote-robert-e-lee-statue"]the results polled in favor of the former[/URL].
Regardless getting more input from the community is now a mute point as its already removed before anyone had a chance to say anything about it.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;52683464]The vote took place on a briefing day, or a day where there were no votes scheduled. The mayor's excuse was that it was an "emergency". It was blindsided in so no one was there to oppose it or give an argument. Any notions to postpone or leave to a voter referendum was shut down because "no more debate was necessary".
Nation wide citizens are against the removal of the statues, and in a local poll between adding African American statues to the park or removing the lee statue, [URL="https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-city-hall/2017/09/05/opposition-group-rises-effort-slow-dallas-city-council-vote-robert-e-lee-statue"]the results polled in favor of the former[/URL].
Regardless getting more input from the community is now a mute point as its already removed before anyone had a chance to say anything about it.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it should have been done by referendum, my point was just that saying that it wasn't put to a vote is strictly false. Also[URL="http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/how-dallas-came-to-its-vote-to-take-down-confederate-memorial-9857278"] this source[/URL] directly contradicts your account of there being no opposition or argument.
I'm still confused as to what about this is virtue signaling. Surely the pro-confederacy groups who filed the temporary restraining order are virtue signaling themselves?
[QUOTE=Tudd;52683438]Article read as if they did it "unannounced".
Atleast there was some kind of vote behind it. So I correct myself.
Apparently a Truck driver had to die for it though.[/QUOTE]
The truck driver didn't die [I]for [/I]anything, it was a mundane, albeit tragic, [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/11/robert-e-lee-statue-removal-crane-involved-in-deadly-dallas-crash.html"]traffic accident[/URL].
[QUOTE]The crane was heading to Lee Park and was attempting to make a left on a green light when the semitrailer ran a red light and plowed into the machine in downtown Dallas, Assistant City Manager Jon Fortune said.
"[The semitrailer driver] was traveling...at a very high rate of speed and failed to yield the right of way, colliding into the crane,” a city news release said.
[/QUOTE]
Honestly I don't even really think Lee was a bad person. He was a talented general, didn't care much for the confederacy or slavery, and way loyal to his state, which most people were at the time, and it's why he fought.
This should have been done with a referendum, maybe with a few options such as whether to just destroy it, bid it off, etc..
Wasn't the democratic party who wanted to secede from the United States? Didn't they found the KKK?
When you dismantle statues because of history, how about banning the party which was responsible for the civil war in the first place?
[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;52683590]Wasn't the democratic party who wanted to secede from the United States? Didn't they found the KKK?
When you dismantle statues because of history, how about banning the party which was responsible for the civil war in the first place?[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, where did this come from?
[QUOTE=Tudd;52683438]Article read as if they did it "unannounced".
Atleast there was some kind of vote behind it. So I correct myself.
Apparently a Truck driver had to die for it though.[/QUOTE]
Lol the balls on you. Post a false narrative, get called out on it, and immediately pivot to ANOTHER false narrative to keep trying to manufacture some outrage.
The truck driver died in a random and tragic accident. His death is on nobody's hands other than the driver who hit him. How many times do you need to be corrected before you stop trying force a story that makes this an Evil Leftist Plot?
Where will you pivot to once it becomes clear that this point, too, is indefensible? Will you start postulating about whether the other driver may have been an !immigrant!, start claiming to be a misunderstood victim of leftist aggression, or simply abscond from the thread to repeat the same process elsewhere?
[QUOTE=Tudd;52683438]Article read as if they did it "unannounced".
Atleast there was some kind of vote behind it. So I correct myself.
Apparently a Truck driver had to die for it though.[/QUOTE]
The best part about destroying racist iconography is the racists just come up and inform you what they are
Are there any other non-racist old dudes who look kinda similar to Robert E Lee? Could save some money by just rebranding the statues and pretending they're someone else
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52683656]Are there any other non-racist old dudes who look kinda similar to Robert E Lee? Could save some money by just rebranding the statues and pretending they're someone else[/QUOTE]Colonel Sanders
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52683663]Colonel Sanders[/QUOTE]
Nah, he stole his recipe from his slaves.
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