• Israel PM tries to put blame of Holocaust on Palestinians, claims Hitler only wanted to expel Jews
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[quote]The Israeli Prime Minister told the 37th World Zionist Congress this week that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews - but was convinced to exterminate them by the Muslim leader, who died in 1974. SHARE GO TO He said that the pair met in November 1941, and claimed: "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jew. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here (to Palestine).' According to Netanyahu, Hitler then asked: "What should I do with them?" and the Mufti replied: "Burn them." Mr Netanyahu has made similar claims in the past, including during a Knesset speech in 2012, where he described Husseini - who visited Hitler and Himmler and supported their persecution of the Jews of Europe - as "one of the leading architects" of the final solution, Haaretz reported. Others have detailed Husseini's influence on Hitler, yet the theory that Husseini was the one to initiate the mass murder of European Jews has been widely rejected.[/quote] [url]http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/benjamin-netanyahu-blames-holocaust-on-palestinian-leader-haj-amin-alhusseini-at-world-zionist-congress-says-hitler-only-wanted-to-expel-jews-34129039.html[/url] [quote]Germany in response to Netanyahu: We are responsible for Holocaust[/quote] [url]http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/89719-151021-hitler-wanted-to-expel-the-jews-not-exterminate-them-netanyahu[/url] the guy is filled with so much hate he's willing to absolve Hitler
You know your PM is anti-palestinian when he blames them for the Holocaust. Even though the countless evidence of the Nazis doing the atrocities.
Holy fuck Lamar,he's only blaming Amin al-Husseini and you think he's trying to blame all the Palestinians for the Holocaust? you're fucking hilarious dude haha
[QUOTE=Tarver;48952191]Holy fuck Lamar,he's only blaming Amin al-Husseini and you think he's trying to blame all the Palestinians for the Holocaust? you're fucking hilarious dude haha[/QUOTE] Um, the grand mufti is used as representative of and a spiritual leader for Palestinians all the time. [Img]http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ny-daily-news-afdi-ad.jpeg[/IMG]
[URL="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mufti2.html"]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mufti2.html[/URL] [QUOTE]The Fuhrer then made the following statement to the Mufti. enjoining him to lock it in the uttermost depths of his heart: 1. He (the Fuhrer) would carry on the battle to the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist empire in Europe. 2. At some moment which was impossible to set exactly today but which in any event was not distant, the German armies would in the course of this struggle reach the southern exit from Caucasia. 3. As soon as this had happened, the Fuhrer would on his own give the Arab world the assurance that its hour of liberation had arrived. Germany's objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. It would then be his task to set off the Arab operations which he had secretly prepared. When that time had come. Germany could also he indifferent to French reaction to such a declaration.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tarver;48952191]Holy fuck Lamar,he's only blaming Amin al-Husseini and you think he's trying to blame all the Palestinians for the Holocaust? you're fucking hilarious dude haha[/QUOTE] The Mufti-Hitler connection is used a lot in zionist circles to try to put responsibility of the Holocaust on the Palestinians.
I knew the Israeli PM had a hate-boner for the Palestinians, but saying the Holocaust, which I am fairly certain was strictly a European event, was caused by Palestinians, which I am pretty sure are no where near Germany nor had any real political pull there is pretty much the flimsiest of all straw men to ever be set up.
It is true that in the early years, jews were deported to what is today Israel, and paid for it, as well as given transportation. Can't really say anything about this connection, though, of all the history books i've read, it boils down to the war happening before a total relocation could be made.
Can Netanyahu now please be banned from, like everything political, for using an international politics form of the "Hitler did nothing wrong." meme?
I don't understand why Palestinian leaders can spout out bullshit just as bad as this and no one cares but when Netanyahu says something retarded, the world loses its mind. The mufti did support the nazis though
well, gee i guess the nazis werent so bad after all.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;48952343]I don't understand why Palestinian leaders can spout out bullshit just as bad as this and no one cares but when Netanyahu says something retarded, the world loses its mind. The mufti did support the nazis though[/QUOTE] Because he's the visible political leadership of Israel, and they're basically maintaining Gaza as an illegal Palestinian concentration camp as it is and the only reason they get away with it is America's buttbuddyness and their threat to resurface the entire region with nuclear glass.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;48952343]I don't understand why Palestinian leaders can spout out bullshit just as bad as this and no one cares but when Netanyahu says something retarded, the world loses its mind. The mufti did support the nazis though[/QUOTE] Palestine isn't a united entity unlike the state of Israel, which incidentally the West stakes its liberal democratic reputation on. It's a bunch of fractured politically diverse groups, often with rival patrons, with no real unitary state. The Israel PR victim mentality never really goes away, does it?
I think if Hitler was going to kill Jews, it wasn't to liberate Palestine. Anyone who wasn't blonde haired blue eyed German was eventually going to die, so yeah I doubt this he tried to kill millions of people because a brown skinned Arab had a talk with him.
this is the kind of stuff you'd expect to come from stormfront
Is this like political shitposting or something? Because he's literally saying Hitler did nothing wrong.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;48952539]Is this like political shitposting or something? Because he's literally saying Hitler did nothing wrong.[/QUOTE] It's not even true. The nazis warned should a war start it will be the Jews that get annihilated, and all the stuff with the expelling of Jews and transfer agreements with zionists was pretty much only a thing early on under nazi rule.
Hitler's encounters in the middle east had more to do with continuous diplomatic dynamic between germany and the ottoman empire, and later mandate states, that had been ongoing since before WWI. if we pretend for a moment that Hitler wasn't who he was then there would be nothing extraordinary about the meeting at all. Germany always sought whatever counterpoint it could to French and British imperial designs in the region, and ultimately that's what the meeting with al-Husayni was, designed to undermine the British mandate and generate rapprochement between what most mandate states saw as the one European superpower who didn't meddle and subjugate. Must have been in aftermath of white white/black papers. Whatever was said was probably servant to that mission and not an actual invitation for Husayni to craft fascist ideology.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;48952343]I don't understand why Palestinian leaders can spout out bullshit just as bad as this and no one cares but when Netanyahu says something retarded, the world loses its mind. The mufti did support the nazis though[/QUOTE] I don't understand how you think that retracts from what Netanyahu said.
Israeli columnist's take on this statement: [QUOTE]With hat tips to Yoni and Zach, here's an alternate reading of Bibi's statement about the Mufti and Hitler. First of all, Bibi is no fool, and he knows his history. That much is clear. So you have to assume that he knows exactly what he was saying. Now, look at the net result: The famous picture of the Mufti and Hitler is all over the world media. Abbas is silent. His PhD thesis was about how the Holocaust had been exaggerated. What can he say now? If he denies the Mufti's role in it, he admits the enormity of the Holocaust. If he denies the enormity of the Holocaust, he admits the Mufti's role in it. If he denies both, he looks like a fool. He's checkmated. Other PA officials,like Erekat, are trying to say that overall Palestinian society was anti-Nazi, or that the Mufti didn't convince Hitler. In other words, for the first time in the current round of hostilities, the PA is on the defensive. Let them call out Jewish lies. Let them provide nuance so we can all understand that while the Mufti was undoubtedly an evil man, he was merely a cheerleader of the Holocaust, not its inspiration. Look around, folks. Trump is making headlines by making up facts and calling people ugly. UNESCO is set to vote on recognizing the Kotel, Kever Rachel, and Me'arat Ha-makhpela as Muslim holy sites. Some yutz at the NYT was duped into writing an article that questions the existence of the Temple on the Temple Mount, giving the official PA narrative that denies any connection between the Mount and the Jews a modicum of credibility. Abbas tells the world how Jews defile the mount with their dirty feet. The media is a cynical and fickle thing. Hyperbole and outrage generate headlines. The nuance is for the 1% that gets their news from Longreads. And Bibi just set the terms of the next news cycle: was the Mufti a Hitler-level villain, or merely a garden-variety villain? And just whose side were the Palestinians on in WWII? Bibi offended my sense of truth and history today, but in today's media environment, I'm not sure he did the wrong thing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Conscript;48952223]Um, the grand mufti is used as representative of and a spiritual leader for Palestinians all the time. [Img]http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ny-daily-news-afdi-ad.jpeg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Ah yes, the American Freedom Defense Initiative... fucking retards. The reality is Hitler admired the Grand Mufti and Islam because, in his opinion, Islam created soldiers that were fearless of death and combat (because the Quran teaches that Muslims that are made martyrs in combat are viewed more favorably by God than Muslims that die in peace), and he intended to help them create a giant pan-Arabian state in the Middle East that would be their equivalent of the Germano-Italian New Order in Europe and Japanese-dominated Asia under the guidance of the Grand Mufti himself. It was just another fanciful plan about how to carve up the world and reorganize it according to his vision. Actually, he'd included the Iranians in the plan at one point; Persians under Nazi racial laws were considered to be members of the Aryan race and exempt from persecution, and actually that's the reason why they changed the name of their country from "Persia" to "Iran" when the Nazis were in power in Germany (because the latter literally translates to mean "the Land of the Aryans"). I mean, Islam and Judaism have never really had much of a friendly history with one another; in Muhammad's day, he expelled the majority of the Arabian Peninsula's Judaic tribes after he was convinced to do so by his followers when he originally wanted to outright exterminate them. But having said that, I see no reason to take the side of the Jews in this matter either. Especially in a modern political context when Judaism has such a strong correlation to Israel and Jewish nationalism, and Israel is no friend to the United States nor to Europe. They have a lot of lobbying power in this country against our government, and there's way too many right-wing Christian idiots that support them blindly because of religious reasons. Netanyahu's argument is ridiculous. Hitler and the Nazis were responsible for the Holocaust; they did so on their own accord in alignment with their ideological beliefs on race and religion. The Grand Mufti had nothing to do with any of it; he was not above Hitler, Hitler was above him and intended to use him as a pawn. That's basically how this whole story can be summed up. Even Adolf Eichmann after the war when all this revisionism started up in Israel stated that the mufti had nothing to do with any of it. But it's not a big surprise that a Zionist like Netanyahu would make these kinds of outrageous statements literally absolving Hitler of the blame and trying to pin it all on the Palestinians and Islam lol.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;48952539] Because he's literally saying Hitler did nothing wrong.[/QUOTE] No he isn't, that would completely go against the fucking point. He's saying that the Mufti is worse than Hitler.
Pretty sure the palestinians were just chilling in the desert while hitler gassed the jews.
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;48952277]I knew the Israeli PM had a hate-boner for the Palestinians, but saying the Holocaust, which I am fairly certain was strictly a European event, was caused by Palestinians, which I am pretty sure are no where near Germany nor had any real political pull there is pretty much the flimsiest of all straw men to ever be set up.[/QUOTE] What are you talking abouy, bush did holocaust
Well as unsavory as what he said sounds, I didn't want to immediately discard his assertion because I'd feel ignorant if I did that, so I tried to see if I could find anything to back up his quote. I found this which cites a document supposedly containing record of the Mufti and Hitler speaking in 1941. [url]http://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter[/url] And the text cited by this article: [url]https://archive.org/details/DocumentsOnGermanForeignPolicy-SeriesD-VolumeXiii-June23-[/url] Unfortunately I have little time to go through it as I've been very busy, but I felt I should share it as it's important to have more than one view point on this sort of thing.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48952381]Because he's the visible political leadership of Israel, and they're basically maintaining Gaza as an illegal Palestinian concentration camp as it is and the only reason they get away with it is America's buttbuddyness and their threat to resurface the entire region with nuclear glass.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile, the visible political leader of the PLO funded the Munich massacre [URL="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2003/07/did_mahmoud_abbas_finance_the_1972_munich_olympic_takeover.html"]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2003/07/did_mahmoud_abbas_finance_the_1972_munich_olympic_takeover.html[/URL] While the visible leader of Hamas is a terrorist
[QUOTE=Svinnik;48953233]Meanwhile, the visible political leader of the PLO funded the Munich massacre [URL="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2003/07/did_mahmoud_abbas_finance_the_1972_munich_olympic_takeover.html"]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2003/07/did_mahmoud_abbas_finance_the_1972_munich_olympic_takeover.html[/URL] While the visible leader of Hamas is a terrorist[/QUOTE] Because Israel and Palestine are on even footing diplomatically and on a statehood level, right? Oh wait, massive amounts of occupation and invasive settlements. Sure, let's still compare them like we're comparing apples to apples. k.
[QUOTE=The fox;48952305]It is true that in the early years, jews were deported to what is today Israel, and paid for it, as well as given transportation. Can't really say anything about this connection, though, of all the history books i've read, it boils down to the war happening before a total relocation could be made.[/QUOTE] I heard it was Goebbels that convinced Hitler that they should just eradicate them instead of shipping them off.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48953289]Because Israel and Palestine are on even footing diplomatically and on a statehood level, right? Oh wait, massive amounts of occupation and invasive settlements. Sure, let's still compare them like we're comparing apples to apples. k.[/QUOTE] Even his examples serve to underscore how divided 'Palestine' was. Black September denied any ties to the PLO, and Hamas was encouraged to take power by Israel to counter the communists (using Islamists in such a way is an old strategy).
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48952168]You know your PM is anti-palestinian when he blames them for the Holocaust. Even though the countless evidence of the Nazis doing the atrocities.[/QUOTE] Did you read the article at all? Bibi isn't saying that the Nazi's had no hand and / or didn't commit the holocaust, rather he's saying that a man from the Palestinian region helped convince Hitler to round up and exterminate the Jews rather then expel them.
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