[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35616768[/url]
[quote]There is unanimous support for a deal between the UK and the EU, European Council president Donald Tusk has said.
David Cameron said the deal would give the UK "special status" in the EU.
The agreement reached following drawn-out negotiations in Brussels paves the way for the UK's in/out referendum on its membership of the union.
BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said it included a "brake" on welfare payments that can apply for seven years.
Another sticking point, child benefit curbs, will apply to existing claimants from the start of 2020, she added.[/quote]
Just happened so not many details yet lol. Britain's EU referendum will now take place in June, we expect
One really does have to wonder what the EU leaders talked about with David Cameron since they clearly manufactured the entire drama. It's not really much a negotiation, nor is it very dramatic when both sides want the same thing.
Why this is necessary to begin with his beyond me. You'd think that leaving the EU would hurt the Conservative agenda (Keeping themselves and their targeted voting base financially well-off) so why the tabloids rallied against the EU to begin with is beyond me.
Hopefully it's enough to convince more people to vote to stay in.
A serious question. What would be the main benefits of UK leaving EU? I keep seeing the benefits of them staying, but it'd be interesting to know what'd happen if they left.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;49774418]A serious question. What would be the main benefits of UK leaving EU? I keep seeing the benefits of them staying, but it'd be interesting to know what'd happen if they left.[/QUOTE]
The BBC put together an article the other day showing what both sides claim the pros and cons are. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32793642[/url]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;49774418]A serious question. What would be the main benefits of UK leaving EU? I keep seeing the benefits of them staying, but it'd be interesting to know what'd happen if they left.[/QUOTE]
I think people just assume leaving the EU will give us more freedom which in turn will lead to everyone getting richer, I don't think anyone worked out how they just assume it'll happen.
Is the vote happening no matter what or ?
[QUOTE=Scot;49774612]Is the vote happening no matter what or ?[/QUOTE]
Yes, most likely on June 23rd. Haven't had official confirmation yet though.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;49774569]I think people just assume leaving the EU will give us more freedom which in turn will lead to everyone getting richer, I don't think anyone worked out how they just assume it'll happen.[/QUOTE]
Isn't this what happened with the Scottish Independence referendum as well? It seemed like a good idea until I looked at the fine print and the potential economic consequences completely outweighed any potential gains from being independent.
[QUOTE=itak365;49774675]Isn't this what happened with the Scottish Independence referendum as well? It seemed like a good idea until I looked at the fine print and the potential economic consequences completely outweighed any potential gains from being independent.[/QUOTE]
Yep it's pretty much a "we'll get all of the upsides and none of the downsides" style scenario, at least in the simple terms they are thinking, but it turns out shit doesn't work that way and things will get fucked up for both sides, but that's how they see it happening.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49774296]Why this is necessary to begin with his beyond me. You'd think that leaving the EU would hurt the Conservative agenda (Keeping themselves and their targeted voting base financially well-off) so why the tabloids rallied against the EU to begin with is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
they dont want to leave they just want to hold a referendum to shut people up about it and get what they can out of the EU in the process
[QUOTE=Swebonny;49774418]A serious question. What would be the main benefits of UK leaving EU? I keep seeing the benefits of them staying, but it'd be interesting to know what'd happen if they left.[/QUOTE]
If the UK by some miracle leaves the UK it will make the EU look weak to the rest of the world and other countries might look to leave as well.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;49774901]If the UK by some miracle leaves the UK it will make the EU look weak to the rest of the world and other countries might look to leave as well.[/QUOTE]
Quite unlikely.
[QUOTE=The mouse;49774174]One really does have to wonder what the EU leaders talked about with David Cameron since they clearly manufactured the entire drama. It's not really much a negotiation, nor is it very dramatic when both sides want the same thing.[/QUOTE]
I had a friend there more or less. The drama was actually quite real from what I've heard. Since the Uk delegation kinda didn't expect that their demands would be contended. Sure both sides wanted a similar end result, but the details were contentious. The UK was pretty much set to attempt and limit a number of EU core principles and a lot of stuff was on the table.
Mind you, part of the problem that this was a summit for pretty much 3 things. And one of the really big linchpins was one sided border closing. Which was mostly held by greeks.
[QUOTE=itak365;49774675]Isn't this what happened with the Scottish Independence referendum as well? It seemed like a good idea until I looked at the fine print and the potential economic consequences completely outweighed any potential gains from being independent.[/QUOTE]
Kind of a good thing too, half the pros from that vote were "we get all the oil" kind of dodged that bullet with oil tanking
Though I haven't seen that the British government followed through on any of their promises
[QUOTE=Sableye;49775953]Kind of a good thing too, half the pros from that vote were "we get all the oil" kind of dodged that bullet with oil tanking
Though I haven't seen that the British government followed through on any of their promises[/QUOTE]
For the Conservatives right now why would they? They don't have the risk of another referendum right now or for a long time and Scotland was always a Labour stronghold. The Scottish people being slightly disgruntled is good for the Conservatives as many of them will vote SNP. Obviously the SNP will never get a majority in the UK so no real threat to the Conservatives, and are only beneficial.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49775953]Kind of a good thing too, half the pros from that vote were "we get all the oil" kind of dodged that bullet with oil tanking
Though I haven't seen that the British government followed through on any of their promises[/QUOTE]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_Bill_2015%E2%80%9316]The bill[/url] to deliver further devolution as promised in 'The Vow' is going through parliament right now, although the SNP claims it doesn't go far enough
[QUOTE=Morgen;49774629]Yes, most likely on June 23rd. Haven't had official confirmation yet though.[/QUOTE]
Nice work!
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I've heard some people say [I]"if we leave the EU we an stop this immigration crisis and stop ISIS sneaking into the country!"[/I] and all I'm thinkig is the following.
Ok lets disregard ANY econimic issues that would arise from leaving the EU, lets pretend that trade and commerce will magically be unaffected and look at immigration for just a moment, heck lets even ignore the fact that a large chunk of immigrants come from various parts of the commonwealth as opposed to Europe (just because they come through France does not mean they are fucking French). Lets look at it PLAIN and simple, if I were the French prime minister, if the UK left the EU I would suddenly declare all the migrants in the camp at Calais to no longer be our problem and just let the run the fucking tunnel, why the heck should France have to shell out for the UK if the UK has made it clear they do not want anything to do with France and the rest of the EU. The migrant crisis can be dealt with by the UK at ITS border thank you very much this is no longer Frances problem.
On top of the many other issues that the UK would face on leaving the EU, the very issue many people would vote "exit" to stop would be exacerbated.
is isolating yourself really a good thing to do in any scenario
[QUOTE=Saturn V;49778213]is isolating yourself really a good thing to do in any scenario[/QUOTE]
The Leave campaign would argue that we are isolating ourselves by staying in the EU. If we leave we can trade with whomever we want rather than being tied to Europe.
We would go from 'Married to EU' to 'Single and ready to mingle'
What's the main argument against the UK leaving but then renegotiating for things they did like when in the EU while remaining out of it for things they didn't like? I'm not well-rounded on the situation and at face value, that sounds like the best scenario for the UK.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49778601]What's the main argument against the UK leaving but then renegotiating for things they did like when in the EU while remaining out of it for things they didn't like? I'm not well-rounded on the situation and at face value, that sounds like the best scenario for the UK.[/QUOTE]
That's what the Leave campaign would point as the main benefit.
The Remain campaign would say that the EU would have no reason to consider our interests when making their rules. There is nothing to stop the EU from introducing a big tariff on British products. The EU can turn round and say " we represent 1bn people whereas you are only 70mn" and completely screw us over.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;49774418]A serious question. What would be the main benefits of UK leaving EU? I keep seeing the benefits of them staying, but it'd be interesting to know what'd happen if they left.[/QUOTE]
We'll finally be allowed to have bendy bananas
[QUOTE=Swebonny;49774418]A serious question. What would be the main benefits of UK leaving EU? I keep seeing the benefits of them staying, but it'd be interesting to know what'd happen if they left.[/QUOTE]
Who knows, the "out" campaign have yet (in the many years of campaigning for leaving the EU) to actually say what the benefit is. Other than "no migration", which is a very limited thing to be concerned about.
Also some people (wrongly) think that the EU control the ECHR and that by leaving the EU the ECJ would stop having any sort of influence on the UK.
This 'deal' is nothing for than a farce, like a child making demands to his parents, over and over, for cake until the 'parents' get tired and then finally getting a tiny slice and calling it some huge victory. Cameron asked for a rope to save the UK from leaving the sinking EU ship and instead got a piece of string coated in human shit.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;49778158]I've heard some people say [I]"if we leave the EU we an stop this immigration crisis and stop ISIS sneaking into the country!"[/I] and all I'm thinkig is the following.
Ok lets disregard ANY econimic issues that would arise from leaving the EU, lets pretend that trade and commerce will magically be unaffected and look at immigration for just a moment, heck lets even ignore the fact that a large chunk of immigrants come from various parts of the commonwealth as opposed to Europe (just because they come through France does not mean they are fucking French). Lets look at it PLAIN and simple, if I were the French prime minister, if the UK left the EU I would suddenly declare all the migrants in the camp at Calais to no longer be our problem and just let the run the fucking tunnel, why the heck should France have to shell out for the UK if the UK has made it clear they do not want anything to do with France and the rest of the EU. The migrant crisis can be dealt with by the UK at ITS border thank you very much this is no longer Frances problem.
On top of the many other issues that the UK would face on leaving the EU, the very issue many people would vote "exit" to stop would be exacerbated.[/QUOTE]
I think people are more concerned that the country's infrastructure might not be able to take the large amount of extra people - The UK's resources are limited. Beyond the very vocal minority of idiots who bleat on constantly about the "Asian Invasion" or whatever it's being called this week, there are some pretty robust arguments as to why the UK doesn't really want thousands of immigrants.
I don't think anyone's ever claimed that people coming through France into Britain are all French, I'm not sure where you're going with that.
In your French PM scenario I'm not really sure what you're getting at again. If you were the PM you'd say all the displaced people at Calais are not your problem and someone else should deal with it, which I think is possibly one of the big issues with immigration and people not wanting to help.
Leaving the EU is not analogous to not wanting anything to do with Europe, that's a ridiculous statement. the EU is a much larger and invasive organisation than it was every meant to be at the inception of the EEC, thinking that perhaps it's not really ideal for our country anymore is not an unreasonable position.
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