Breaking: Plane misses runway and crashes into road outside Moscow
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20865369[/url]
[quote=BBC News][B]A Russian passenger plane has crashed into a main road after overshooting a runway at a Moscow airport, killing at least four people, police say.[/B]
Reports said there were between eight and 12 people on board the Red Wings Tupolev-204, flight number RWZ9268, which was landing at Vnukovo airport.
Images of the scene show the aircraft split into several pieces, with the cockpit on the road.
Four people were severely injured, emergency officials said.
The plane's tail and cockpit had broken off but the fuselage was largely intact.
There were fire engines at the scene and smoke could be seen rising from parts of the wreckage.
The plane had arrived in Moscow from the Czech Republic, government officials said.
Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has ordered an investigation into the cause of the crash.
There was light snow in the area on Saturday afternoon, though it was not known if that played any role in the crash.
The Tupolev-204 is a modern Russian passenger jet with a good safety record and a capacity to hold more than 200 passengers.[/quote]
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Oh fuck, there's got to be some casualties from that
Yeah it looks like the fuselage has been torn into 3 parts, the source should update with more info soon.
Apparently there were 4 crew and 8 passengers on board
Shit, looks somewhat survivable though (i.e. the plane hasn't burst into flames), hope everyone survived
Apparently three people are dead, there's a possibility the number is going to rise.
Oh shit dude.
I'm hoping that death toll doesn't rise but I can't imagine it won't.
[QUOTE=Captain Forever;39016267]Yeah it looks like the fuselage has been torn into 3 parts, the source should update with more info soon.
Apparently there were 4 crew and 8 passengers on board[/QUOTE]
I was expecting there to be at least 100 people on board... hopefully the casualties won't be too high if there were only 12 people there. I think it's safe to say the pilot and co-pilot took the brunt of it though. Anybody who was in that main section of the fuselage should be ok.
Apparently everyone was pulled out alive, but two are in serious condition?
[editline]29th December 2012[/editline]
This is according to the Spokeswoman.
Typial day on the Kerbal space center space plane hanger.
This is still one of the thing that gets me worried while landing a plane, especially the first time on the Airbus A380, that took so long to stop on the runway i thought we were going to go off the end
AP Reporting Death toll up to 4.
when i hear about plane crashes in Russia my mind always jumps to think its a government assassination or something.
Pretty much same as me playing microsoft flight simulator -take off -> Flight -> and crash on landing
I mean you shouldn't laugh, but I did when I read Moscow in the title :v:
bad me :I
pinnacle of soviet technology
as someone who works on instrument landing systems, i don't really understand how a qualified commercial pilot overshoots a runway. the gauges right in front of you tell you to go up, down, left, or right in order to land perfectly centerline on the runway, all you need to adjust is your speed as you approach. i'm interested in seeing what the cause of this crash was when it comes out.
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;39018088]as someone who works on instrument landing systems, i don't really understand how a [B]qualified commercial pilot[/B] overshoots a runway. the gauges right in front of you tell you to go up, down, left, or right in order to land perfectly centerline on the runway, all you need to adjust is your speed as you approach. i'm interested in seeing what the cause of this crash was when it comes out.[/QUOTE]
I don't know man, all the dashboard footage of russians behind the wheel of anything..
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;39018088]as someone who works on instrument landing systems, i don't really understand how a qualified commercial pilot overshoots a runway. the gauges right in front of you tell you to go up, down, left, or right in order to land perfectly centerline on the runway, all you need to adjust is your speed as you approach. i'm interested in seeing what the cause of this crash was when it comes out.[/QUOTE]
I don't know shit about planes, but is it possible that the pilot saw something different from his cockpit and thought that the gauges were wrong, so he tried to compensate?
He'd have to be a pretty shit pilot to do something like that, though
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;39018088]as someone who works on instrument landing systems, i don't really understand how a qualified commercial pilot overshoots a runway. the gauges right in front of you tell you to go up, down, left, or right in order to land perfectly centerline on the runway, all you need to adjust is your speed as you approach. i'm interested in seeing what the cause of this crash was when it comes out.[/QUOTE]
I'm wondering the same thing, but then again it could be a number of things. Maybe he wasn't current, or maybe it was just one of those simple things where they floated halfway down the runway and nobody made the decision to go around. I'm going to assume for now that it was pilot error
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Why does the ILS always fail for Russia?
[QUOTE=The very best;39018161]I don't know shit about planes, but is it possible that the pilot saw something different from his cockpit and thought that the gauges were wrong, so he tried to compensate?
He'd have to be a pretty shit pilot to do something like that, though[/QUOTE]
no, you'd have to be really drunk or high to even get the notion that your instruments were wrong, it just doesn't make any sense. the way it works is there are antennas on the runway shooting out a signal to incoming aircraft, and the aircraft intercepts the signal to determine centerline. the guys who work on the airfield are the ones who make the adjustments to make sure that their antennas are radiating to an insanely high degree of accuracy so that aircraft are always directed to come in at the the correct approach angle. if they weren't extremely accurate, at least in the U.S., the FAA shuts them down when they do an inspection.
[QUOTE=mscmn;39018173]Maybe he wasn't current, or maybe it was just one of those simple things where they floated halfway down the runway and nobody made the decision to go around.[/QUOTE]
what do you mean?
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;39018088]as someone who works on instrument landing systems, i don't really understand how a qualified commercial pilot overshoots a runway. the gauges right in front of you tell you to go up, down, left, or right in order to land perfectly centerline on the runway, all you need to adjust is your speed as you approach. i'm interested in seeing what the cause of this crash was when it comes out.[/QUOTE]
I don't want to be rude, but working on ILS means pretty much nothing. Unless you've actually flown a plane down an ILS approach, it's a pretty shit comment to assume that the system makes it that easy. Yeah there's the glideslope and the localiser to line you up both vertically and horizontally, but it's not like its a fully automatic landing in this case, and the weather is pretty crap in this situation as well - with huge gusts of wind they'd have to be compensating a lot for it to the point where they'd need to crab the aircraft in.
Since the aircraft is so light with 0 passengers on-board, there are a lot of rumours indicating that when the pilot tried to flare, he flared a little too hard, so instead of settling down it just floated on down - something ILS doesn't really help with at all.
It's really lucky it wasn't a passenger flight.
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;39018230]what do you mean?[/QUOTE]
I mean maybe the pilots were either inexperienced with instrument flight or shooting approaches. There are currency requirements here in the US that you must meet by FAA regulations if you want to exercise the privileges of your instrument rating, and I'm sure it's the same story elsewhere as well, but I'm not really sure whether the rule is stricter or more lenient in places like Russia.
The other scenario I've seen a million times but luckily with no incident. Doing something like approaching too fast can cause the airplane to float down the runway in ground effect until you don't have a suitable rolling distance to stop.
Here's one of the better known videos on this, the guy should've gone around instead of trying to force the airplane down after floating so far down the runway.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z2o0acIlm4[/URL]
[QUOTE=download;39016327]Shit, looks somewhat survivable though (i.e. the plane hasn't burst into flames), hope everyone survived[/QUOTE]
sometimes crashed planes don't look all that bad from a wreckage point of view, then you have to remember the force the passengers are thrown around by.
[QUOTE=Tony;39018323]I don't want to be rude, but working on ILS means pretty much nothing. Unless you've actually flown a plane down an ILS approach, it's a pretty shit comment to assume that the system makes it that easy. Yeah there's the glideslope and the localiser to line you up both vertically and horizontally, but it's not like its a fully automatic landing in this case, and the weather is pretty crap in this situation as well - with huge gusts of wind they'd have to be compensating a lot for it to the point where they'd need to crab the aircraft in.
Since the aircraft is so light with 0 passengers on-board, there are a lot of rumours indicating that when the pilot tried to flare, he flared a little too hard, so instead of settling down it just floated on down - something ILS doesn't really help with at all.
It's really lucky it wasn't a passenger flight.[/QUOTE]
obviously the weather has affects it, but that clearly goes along with lining it up with the ILS. that's why I said any qualified commercial pilot should be able to handle it really regardless of weather because if it's that bad, worst-case scenario you abort the landing and have another go. it makes sense that he just floated it, because there's no way he just accidentally tried landing totally past the runway, which is why i mentioned ILS in the first place, and why i was interested in seeing the cause of the crash. ILS doesn't make it easy to land, it just makes it easy to see that you're on the right path.
It's like that scene in Knowing except it's not like that at all.
IMO if it weren't for the dumb concrete fences more people would've survived
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