• US: Russia should face more consequences over invasion of country
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[url]http://news.yahoo.com/russia-undermining-diplomatic-efforts-over-ukraine-u-says-180432219.html[/url] [QUOTE]WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States warned Russia on Friday that its continued support of separatists fighting in Ukraine despite a cease-fire agreement was a direct threat to the "modern global order" and could bring additional costs. It was the strongest U.S. warning to Russia since the violation of a European-brokered truce last Sunday and followed calls from the U.S. Congress for new sanctions on Moscow and to provide weapons to Kiev. "Russia's continued support of ongoing separatist attacks ... is undermining international diplomacy and multilateral institutions - the foundations of our modern global order," U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said. She said Russia must honor its commitments immediately. [/QUOTE]
[quote]She said Russia must honor its commitments immediately.[/quote] Or what?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47181353]Or what?[/QUOTE] Obviously more sanctions.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47181353]Or what?[/QUOTE] Placement on Santa's naughty list.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47181353]Or what?[/QUOTE] An hour on the naughty step.
[QUOTE=GammaFive;47181392]Obviously more sanctions.[/QUOTE] Sanction jenga
[QUOTE] She said Russia must honor its commitments immediately.[/QUOTE] I wonder how such stern statements will be perceived when the next European country that Putin sets his sights on wakes up one morning to find Russian heavy artillery units half a mile from their border and a suddenly well trained, well equipped "seperatist" insurgency.
Just use drones to knock out rebel armored/artillery positions, and when Russia complains, just simply state you are upholding the Geneva Conventions by preventing the shelling of cities.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;47181582]Just use drones to knock out rebel armored/artillery positions, and when Russia complains, just simply state you are upholding the Geneva Conventions by preventing the shelling of cities.[/QUOTE] What if they shoot them down? This is Russia we are talking about not Iran. Russia produces the best antiaircraft missiles in the world.
[QUOTE=isreal?;47181622]What if they shoot them down? This is Russia we are talking about not Iran. Russia produces the best antiaircraft missiles in the world.[/QUOTE] Shit happens. Using drones would ultimately destroy the Russian army's armored forces in Ukraine.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47181353]Or what?[/QUOTE] A stern letter to Russia's mothers'
The best part is the fact that US even dares of complaining about other countries invading anyone. The only difference is that US tries to whitewash their invasions and rename them into interventions or attack other nations from the inside/with proxies. [quote]"Russia's continued support of ongoing separatist attacks ... is undermining international diplomacy and multilateral institutions - the foundations of our modern global order," U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.[/quote] Lmao, and shit America did, does and will do doesn't? Or is it ok only when it benefits the US? Remember that the actions of US (namely not having enough people down to protect private estates of businessmen and thus arming local radical and extremist imams) are indirectly responsible for the creation of ISIS and the strength it has today. Literally every single dumb rating is from American :''')
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;47181643]Shit happens. Using drones would ultimately destroy the Russian army's armored forces in Ukraine.[/QUOTE] What if they shoot them all down? Mr armchair general. Drones don't tend to have good countermeasures to S-400's and other state of the art anti-aircraft systems, from what I've read. Don't even feel like bringing up fighter jet solution.
Isn't the big part of drones is that if they get shot down, it doesn't really matter because the pilot is safe and we can always build more?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47181353]Or what?[/QUOTE] Maybe they will cross a red line?? We all know how [I]serious[/I] that is. [editline]21st February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=beanhead;47181774]Isn't the big part of drones is that if they get shot down, it doesn't really matter because the pilot is safe and we can always build more?[/QUOTE] It is, but if every single one of them gets shot down that is going to cost a lot of money. Current generation drones seem to be designed for low intensity conflict where there is 100% air superiority. Not for what is really a country on country war. That said though, the Ukrainian military are using some DIY drones (built by civilians apparently.. VICE did a quick report on it) for recon purposes, but I guess they are much smaller so they probably don't even appear on radar.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47181730]The best part is the fact that US even dares of complaining about other countries invading anyone. The only difference is that US tries to whitewash their invasions and rename them into interventions or attack other nations from the inside/with proxies. Lmao, and shit America did, does and will do doesn't? Or is it ok only when it benefits the US? Remember that actions of US (namely not having enough people down to protect private estates of businessmen and thus arming local radical and extremist imams) are indirectly responsible for the creation of ISIS and the strength it has today.[/QUOTE] I do agree it is a bit hypocritical of the US to be calling them out, but it doesn't change the fact that Russia is also in the wrong too.
whataboutism should be bannable
[QUOTE=isreal?;47181734]What if they shoot them all down? Mr armchair general. Drones don't tend to have good countermeasures to S-400's and other state of the art anti-aircraft systems, from what I've read. Don't even feel like bringing up fighter jet solution.[/QUOTE] I seriously wonder what sort of shit the US has available that none of us know about. Like simple drones that are designed to land on something and then unleash a thermobaric charge. A high tech version of a firebat. Or drone U2 equivalents. And before someone says that you can't have black projects in an age where everyone has a camera in their phone, that's why you don't make them look like black projects.
[QUOTE=GammaFive;47181392]Obviously more sanctions.[/QUOTE] Well there's not alot of options besides sanctions and complaining now is there? Russia has nukes, America definitely of all people can't do much about that. Unless America or someone else found a proper way to neuter Putin's nukes, we can't do much else.
[QUOTE=GammaFive;47181392]Obviously more sanctions.[/QUOTE] A strongly worded letter from the UN. :v:
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47181694]A stern letter to Russia's mothers'[/QUOTE] Please babushka, not the whip! NYETTTTT PAJALUSHTA!!
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47181730]The best part is the fact that US even dares of complaining about other countries invading anyone. The only difference is that US tries to whitewash their invasions and rename them into interventions or attack other nations from the inside/with proxies. Lmao, and shit America did, does and will do doesn't? Or is it ok only when it benefits the US? Remember that the actions of US (namely not having enough people down to protect private estates of businessmen and thus arming local radical and extremist imams) are indirectly responsible for the creation of ISIS and the strength it has today.[/QUOTE] The difference here is that we weren't doing it in order to make Iraq part of the United States after months of denying that we were involved in any way.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47181353]Or what?[/QUOTE] Half a hour on the time-out stool and a notice to Russia's parents written in Comic Sans. Also, no dessert for two weeks.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;47182050]The difference here is that we weren't doing it in order to make Iraq part of the United States after months of denying that we were involved in any way.[/QUOTE] The only difference between US and Russia is that US infests the states with it's puppets and manipulate them in that way while Russia goes for direct approach. Oh you mean US is actually not denying shit it does aka funding monster dictators in Latin America for example? Or how about US effectively screwing over Iranian people for at the very least 25 years: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état[/url], [url]http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows-government-of-iran[/url] ? Or here actually, take a look yourself: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_supported_by_the_United_States[/url] It's unreal how much you people are seriously convinced that America = good and Russia = bad and how hard you will try to whitewash America with your own whataboutism while you complain about whataboutism used on the other side.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47181353]Or what?[/QUOTE] A night on the couch.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47182230]The only difference between US and Russia is that US infests the states with it's puppets and manipulate them in that way while Russia goes for direct approach. Oh you mean US is actually not denying shit it does aka funding monster dictators in Latin America for example? Or how about US effectively screwing over Iranian people for at the very least 25 years: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état[/url], [url]http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows-government-of-iran[/url] ? Or here actually, take a look yourself: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_supported_by_the_United_States[/url] It's unreal how much you people are seriously convinced that America = good and Russia = bad and how hard you will try to whitewash America with your own whataboutism while you complain about whataboutism used on the other side.[/QUOTE] America isn't a benevolent country incapable of doing wrong, but that doesn't somehow justify Russia doing the exact same thing. The problem is you're deflecting legitimate criticism against Russia by bringing up terrible things that the U.S. has done as well--I won't dispute that the U.S. has done many terrible things, but that doesn't justify Russia being similarly awful as well, and nor would Russia doing bad justify the U.S. in doing so, it just means they've both done wrong.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47182230]The only difference between US and Russia is that US infests the states with it's puppets and manipulate them in that way while Russia goes for direct approach. Oh you mean US is actually not denying shit it does aka funding monster dictators in Latin America for example? Or how about US effectively screwing over Iranian people for at the very least 25 years: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état[/url], [url]http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows-government-of-iran[/url] ? Or here actually, take a look yourself: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_supported_by_the_United_States[/url] It's unreal how much you people are seriously convinced that America = good and Russia = bad and how hard you will try to whitewash America with your own whataboutism while you complain about whataboutism used on the other side.[/QUOTE] I don't think a single person referred to the US as good or Russia as bad in this entire thread. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish either, I can't and won't deny the United States manipulates countries to act within our interests, but that doesn't make it wrong when they call out Russia. I'd rather we'd be hypocritical than ignore the crisis. I'm going to guess most people are rating you dumb not because they think you're wrong but because you're changing the subject to your own, for a lack of a better term, agenda.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47182230] It's unreal how much you people are seriously convinced that America = good and Russia = bad and how hard you will try to whitewash America with your own whataboutism while you complain about whataboutism used on the other side.[/QUOTE] Nobody is saying America = bad it's just that your offtopic shitposting has nothing to do with the topic at hand. What does Central American foreign policy have to do with the conflict in Ukraine? [editline]20th February 2015[/editline] I mean I'd be happy to break down how fucking stupid your point about the United States and Russia being the same when it comes to foreign policy but this isn't really the place for such a conversation.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47181353]Or what?[/QUOTE] an angry letter 2 angry letters
[QUOTE=spiritlol;47182488] I can't and won't deny the United States manipulates countries to act within our interests, [/QUOTE] but a lot of people do, and patriotism can become very dangerous, his post may be unrelated but it does get some point across
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