• Official report finds Breivik 'could have been stopped'
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19241327[/url] [quote=BBC News][B]Norway's police could have prevented the bombing of central Oslo and caught mass killer Anders Behring Breivik faster, an official report says.[/B] The independent inquiry says his subsequent shooting spree on Utoeya Island could have been halted earlier. Police took an "unacceptable" 35 minutes to get to the island, it says. Breivik has admitted killing 77 people and wounding more than 240 others when he bombed central Oslo and then opened fire at a youth camp on Utoeya. A verdict in Breivik's trial is due on 24 August. He claimed he was trying to stop Muslims from taking over Norway. Among the most damaging of the report's conclusions is that a two-man local police team reached the lake shore at Utvika first, but chose to wait for better-trained colleagues rather than find a boat and cross to Utoeya themselves. Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said he deeply regretted the mistakes that had been made and took responsibility for what had happened but stopped short of saying there would be ministerial resignations. [B]'Simply overloaded'[/B] The inquiry, headed by lawyer Alexandra Bech Gjoerv, came up with 31 recommendations but most damning were its findings that • The attack on the government complex in Oslo could have been prevented by effective implementation of security measures that had already been approved • A more rapid police operation to protect people on Utoeya Island was a realistic possibility and the gunman could have been stopped earlier on 22 July • More security and emergency measures to prevent further attacks and "mitigate adverse effects" should have been implemented on 22 July Presenting the 482-page report, the inquiry team questioned why the street outside the prime minister's office, Grubbegata, was not closed to traffic as recommended seven years before. The report also gives details of a phone-call made by a pedestrian 10 minutes after the Oslo bomb went off, giving police a good description of a man carrying a pistol and wearing protective clothing. The operator passed the message on but the tip-off was not followed up for some two hours, the report says. Although it was clear that a terrorist attack had been carried out, the inquiry says no immediate nationwide alert was given, no roadblocks or observation posts were set up, no attempt was made to mobilise helicopters nor did the operation centre take up offers from neighbouring police districts. The operation centre was "simply overloaded", the report concludes, to the extent that staff did little to prevent further attacks during "the acute phase". [B]'Unacceptable'[/B] In the aftermath of the attacks, police were criticised for their failure to use a helicopter once alerted to the shootings, and for the bungled attempt to reach the island on an inflatable boat. That criticism is echoed by the commission, which in its findings details the "unacceptable" 35 minutes police took to cross the 600m (2,000ft) from the lake shore to the island • As early as 17:25 local time, shootings were reported on Utoeya • Within five minutes, police were contacted by a boat captain offering his vessel but the message was not acted on • The first local police patrol arrived at 17:55, but the two officers did not try to find a boat despite guidelines recommending an immediate reponse to gun attacks • An 11-strong elite Delta force team from Oslo arrived 14 minutes later • They were forced to abandon their own overloaded dinghy for two civilian boats and landed on Utoeya at 18:27 • They could have reached the island at 18:15, the commission suggests Most of the dead were young activists who were taking part in a summer camp on Utoeya run by the governing Labour Party. The special commission said that although Norway's domestic intelligence agency, the PST, could have become aware of Breivik before 22 July, it did not contend that the service "could and should have stopped the attacks". There was also praise for the government's communication with the public and the report said it was satisfied that health services had responded effectively. The attacks, regarded as the worst act of violence in Norway since World War II, sparked a national debate about the nature of tolerance and democracy in the country. The panel of five trial judges will have to rule on Breivik's sanity when they deliver their verdict. Their conclusion will determine whether he is given a long prison sentence or is sent to a secure psychiatric ward. Breivik's 10-week trial was marked by harrowing testimony from witnesses about his shootings. Some victims were shot in the head at point-blank range. In the meticulously planned attack, Breivik wore a fake police uniform and methodically hunted down victims on the island. He refused to plead guilty, evoking the "principle of necessity". He accused the Labour Party of promoting multiculturalism and endangering Norway's identity.[/quote]
It seems like every time there is a national tragedy anywhere in the world, stories start to appear later on that it could have been prevented. I can't think of one instance where this hasn't happened. That's not a criticism of anyone involved, just a pattern I noticed occurring.
Well shit. We can only hope Norway Police learn from the mistakes and react faster and more effectively the next time something like this happens.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;37213576]It seems like every time there is a national tragedy anywhere in the world, stories start to appear later on that it could have been prevented. I can't think of one instance where this hasn't happened. That's not a criticism of anyone involved, just a pattern I noticed occurring.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/8/84401/2083921-sp_1411_clip05.jpg[/IMG]
No shit, a simple condom or the aroma of my nipples would have prevented the incident. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick / Shitposter" - Swebonny))[/highlight]
The Norwegian police were utterly unprepared for this. They should've been, but with between 10 and 30 murders every year in the [I]entire[/I] country, I can see why it was unexpected.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;37213576]It seems like every time there is a national tragedy anywhere in the world, stories start to appear later on that it could have been prevented. I can't think of one instance where this hasn't happened. That's not a criticism of anyone involved, just a pattern I noticed occurring.[/QUOTE] This is just an observation on my part, but it honestly appears that modern society is absolutely unwilling to accept that the evils in this world sometimes can't be prevented. Every single time there's a tragedy, the media and the affected community start looking for someone to blame and, for some odd reason, they appear reluctant to just blame the killer. It's really quite sad, in my opinion. Much as I wish we could prevent things like this (we can't), some people are just fucking insane.
I watched a documentary a few weeks ago that had footage of the police stranded on the boat on the way to the island. I couldn't help but laugh at how useless it looked.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;37213690]This is just an observation on my part, but it honestly appears that modern society is absolutely unwilling to accept that the evils in this world sometimes can't be prevented. Every single time there's a tragedy, the media and the affected community start looking for someone to blame and, for some odd reason, they appear reluctant to just blame the killer. It's really quite sad, in my opinion. Much as I wish we could prevent things like this (we can't), some people are just fucking insane.[/QUOTE] I agree, a lot of the time, these reviews on security and the like are put in the context of blame. I think it is a great idea to improve security and learn how to prevent atrocities like this but too often is the report just "slamming" a particular service for not doing its job properly.
I guess this prepares them for similar threats in the future, but they shouldn't blame people.
[QUOTE=leontodd;37214007]I guess this prepares them for similar threats in the future, but they shouldn't blame people.[/QUOTE] They should blame Breivik
[QUOTE=Ridge;37214088]They should blame Breivik[/QUOTE] No that's preposterous. Instead I'll go blame the police, society, immigrants, the government, republicans, democrats, lobbyists and corporations, guns, Jews, muslims, the media and the president and gun control.
It was a false flag operation by the Norwegian government. they called off the police force to allow the attack to happen. Wake up people.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;37213690]This is just an observation on my part, but it honestly appears that modern society is absolutely unwilling to accept that the evils in this world sometimes can't be prevented. Every single time there's a tragedy, the media and the affected community start looking for someone to blame and, for some odd reason, they appear reluctant to just blame the killer. It's really quite sad, in my opinion. Much as I wish we could prevent things like this (we can't), some people are just fucking insane.[/QUOTE] I agree. I can't help but notice that when there is a big story like this, many people rush to offer 'solutions'. If only we had a law that...if only the police did...if only... Hardly anyone wants to acknowledge the obvious- you can't prevent everything. And the crazier the action, the harder it is to prevent. I think it's too scary for a lot of people to contemplate, the idea that even in a peaceful nation like Norway someone could go off and do a tremendous amount of harm and there is no way to stop it.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;37214191]It was a false flag operation by the Norwegian government. they called off the police force to allow the attack to happen. Wake up sheeple.[/QUOTE] FTFY
God I hate nothing more but clarifications how a mass murderer could have been stopped like one year later. Basically I see this article as an attempt to fish for one more mouse-click from news readers on the same subject, that is the Breivik's case
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;37215007]God I hate nothing more but clarifications how a mass murderer could have been stopped like one year later. Basically I see this article as an attempt to fish for one more mouse-click from news readers on the same subject, that is the Breivik's case[/QUOTE] It's not just a little article. Our government (here in Norway) decided on July 27th to assemble an independent commission that would prepare a detailed analysis of what happened, what went wrong and how this can be prevented in future situations. They have been working on it for over a year, and the results were made official today. We've known for a long time many things went wrong that day, but the point of this report is to give a detailed and independent analysis to give a clear view. You can get it in English from their official site if you want to, but it has not all been translated yet: [url]http://ng01.07.no/22julifiles/Complete_combined_English_version.pdf[/url]
Now we learn from it.
He could have been stopped if someone had channelled his anger into something helpful.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;37213576]It seems like every time there is a national tragedy anywhere in the world, stories start to appear later on that it could have been prevented. I can't think of one instance where this hasn't happened. That's not a criticism of anyone involved, just a pattern I noticed occurring.[/QUOTE] It makes sense though, people get lax when there's not been a super important situation such as this so response times and reactions will be a bit weaker than if something just happened recently.
[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;37216440]He could have been stopped if someone had channelled his anger into something helpful.[/QUOTE] What's the helpful outlet for "I hate muslims and believe my government is letting them flood in to destroy our way of life." ?
[QUOTE=Ridge;37217169]What's the helpful outlet for "I hate muslims and believe my government is letting them flood in to destroy our way of life." ?[/QUOTE] Professional boxer?
[QUOTE=Ridge;37217169]What's the helpful outlet for "I hate muslims and believe my government is letting them flood in to destroy our way of life." ?[/QUOTE] post on the internet about it
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