Dr. Alex Jones; Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love FEMA - A look at the NWO Theory
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[B]Dr. Alex Jones; Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love FEMA - A look at the NWO Theory[/B]
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[B]1[/B] - [I][B]The NWO and you [/B][/I]
One thing history has shown, that there has always been the select few of odd mannered people who sit at home, spooning dog food into their mouth, waiting for something interesting to happen so they can feel satisfied when they finally come out and tell you like it REALLY is. That JFK was, in fact, shot by space aliens sent by the planet Aurelia to conquer our natural resources and precious bodily fluids or 9/11 was a false flag operation by the banks to steal your house-pets and use them for menial slave labour. These people are what we like to call Conspiracy Theorists. A collective of like minded individuals with megaphones and too much time on their hands. Described by Christopher Hitchens as the 'exhaust fumes of democracy', the unavoidable result of a large amount of information circulating among a large number of people. Apart from being absolutely certain that the government is developing brain-eating vaccines, spiking the water with lithium and trying to subdue the population with “reactive” medicine, theorists are a psychological mad house. Many social psychological theories can be attributed to the certain collectives of theorists, one of the main, and truly most tragic is cognitive dissonance, a theory developed by Leon Festinger, a social psychologist at the University of Minnesota. The development of his theory came about when he discovered the rising antics of Marion Keech, one summer morning in 1954 while enjoying his coffee.
Marion Keech, a housewife in the suburbs of Minneapolis, found the roots in her movement through her claims of recieving these telepathic messages from aliens many years ago, but as of recently, when the article Festinger discovered was published, she had been reciving numerous and highly specific messages. The most eerie of her messages was what sparked the movement; she was told on Midnight of December 20th, 1954, a massive and devistating flood will completely annihilate human civilisation. This movement soon began to grow and grow and achieve momentum. Soon, plans were set in motion and the group, led by Keech, were ready for the end of the world. But back in reality, they had sold their homes, quit their jobs, put down their house-pets, sold their assets and even gave up family obligations for the approaching Christmas and New Years season; and they didn't even bother to take out the trash. Festinger felt this particular group and their wishy-washy, pun intended, theory would make a perfect test subject. After all, when their plans eventually fail, what will Keech do? What will she say? This was the fulcrum of his investigation. So, Festinger and his colleagues infiltrated and joined the group, taking notes and examining their members. Waiting for the judgement day to see what will happen.
On the evening of December 20th, Keech, Festinger and the followers all gathered in her home, to wait for the arrival of an alien to escort them to an awaiting space craft to save them from the planet. Midnight - Nothing happens. The group decides to give it a few more minutes, but again, nothing happens. Nearly four hours after the visitor was supposed to arrive, Keech begins to cry. 45 minutes later, Keech gets an idea. She starts to panic, saying a message is being sent to her. She quickly jots down what is being said to her on a notepad. She looks at it and reads it to her followers. ""The little group, sitting all night long, had spread so much light that God had saved the world from destruction." she said. There was a murmur among the crowd, and then, a cheer. The people who had been clearly scammed, were cheering.
This prompted Festinger to write his book, [I]When prophesy fails[/I]. It developed one of the many theories of Social psychology that can be attributed to the mass array of conspiracies. Among those at the Freudian theories of Paranoia and Denial, Mean World Syndrome and Schizophrenia. The way the NWO falls into this, is that the NWO theory, in itself, is no more different to Marion Keech's midnight alien train theory, and say, the recent, and more well known, May 21st doomsday theory. They all follow a single pattern. It starts out with one disturbed person, and it spreads and soon becomes a network. It pulls in easily misguided people who feel the organisation and similar thinking from the network makes it infallible. They latch on, becoming further disingenuous with reality. Such is the case of the New World Order conspiracy.
[B]A[/B] - [B][I]What exactly IS the NWO?[/I][/B]
The term NWO has been attributed to many statesman who have used the term in speeches, this of course, coupled with the general seed of the theory, has sprouted into a vast network of misinterpretations and opinionated leaps of faith. The theory of the NWO doesn't really have a single entity to start it, rather a single idea to fight [I]against[/I]. The NWO conspiracy has its roots in Right-wing populism, fighting against economic acts during the 20s. Basically, a bunch of right-wing populists got together, heard the word New World Order, saw a sting of legislation that strengthened government in economics, coupled with some shady government actions and the fact people didn't know exactly what a lot of what the federal government was doing due to lack of circulated information, they put two and two together and crafted an idea: "This NWO idea these statesman keep referring to sure seem relevant to the socialisation of the economic and social structure of the industrialised world, so this means, the NWO is NOT going to stop unless WE do something. shit just got real"
The NWO is not a single institution, as it, as previously mentioned, is a single entity to fight against. Many groups, such as Free Masons, anti-illuminati, Christian fundamentalists, 9/11 truthers, anti-Government Right-wing populists and Anti-Semitic organisations (The ZOG Machine is their name for the NWO), all fight the supposed general idea of the NWO. Of course, there are scores of other theories, such as Brave New World theorists, Round table, Alien Invasions, the rise of the fourth Reich, Occultists such as Alice Bailey and the New Age theory, Even the theory of Lizard People; you name the idea, there's an NWO sect.
[I]For More Info: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29[/URL][/I]
[B]B[/B] - [I][B]Characters of our story[/B][/I]
- [B]Alex Jones[/B]
One of the largest and more well known modern figures in the NWO conspiracy is Alex Jones who is, despite the title, not a Doctor. Alex Jones is head of the American Right-Wing Populist website Prisonplanet, which is the current leader in modern day NWO conspiracy. This Current Sect, is at most, the largest. They believe in Right-wing Libertarian fundamentalist Christianity. They describe themselves as "Aggressive constitutionalists". The meat of their conspiracy comes to the globalisation of the governments of the world, most notably in the United States. They say it goes back years before the country was ever formed, that this theory dates back hundreds of years. They feel they're currently fighting three main objectives by the US federal government:
1 - Forced Economic collapse
2 - Total totalitarianism
3 - Genocide
In that order.
This group seems to follow along the sequential time-line of "Event followed by reaction followed by the end of times" same as Marion Keesh. The Alex Jones crowd feel the plans have been in motion for hundreds of years, but the initiation of them was 9/11.
9/11 is a false flag to invade countries but is really initiated to force the economic collapse, weakening the people.
Next, the initiation of acts, such as war powers act and REX 98, bringing about complete totalitarianism,
Then, the end of times, like Marion Keesh, the initiation of martial law and the mass murder of Americans. But who will do it? Oh, well, FEMA of course
haha, FEMA... Seriously?
YUP
[B]C[/B] - [I][B]FEMA Camps and "shady" legislation[/B][/I]
- [B]FEMA Camps, trains and Aeroplanes. Not starring Steve Martin and John Candy[/B]
Yes, that's right, the inept and useless organisation that is FEMA, is apparently the initiator of the greatest mass Genocide humanity will ever endure. For those of you who don't know what FEMA is, it's the Federal Emergency Management Agency, it's simply a disaster response agency, with its roots in the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Until 1978, when Jimmy Carter signed the [I]Reorganization Plan No. 3[/I].
Here is a list of claims by NWO theorists and their actual explanation
[U][B]CLAIM 1:[/B][/U]
[I][B]FEMA Trains[/B][/I]
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It begins!
This image has been the forefront for the FEMA trains conspiracy
[IMG]http://depletedcranium.com/FEMA_train.jpg[/IMG]
apparently, when the end of days happens, FEMA will use these trains to transport scores of Americans to FEMA Concentration Camps.
Now, their evidence is that the innards have many odd features. Such as Shackles, "Benches", air holes, the trains are massive and go on for miles, and they sit idle.
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"Some people on Youtube say I'm paranoid"
I'd say they're right
"FEMA camps are a fact. Look at what Glenn Beck said, he can't debunk these damn things"
I'm sure Glenn Beck is thanking you for the support, buddy.
[B]The Truth:[/B]
First they took the cars. and* I did nothing, for I was not a car...
Yeah, these trains aren't owned by FEMA, Amtrak or any other government organisation. They're owned and built by Autotrain. They're called Automax. It carries cars, not people.
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[B]Features:[/B]
Shackles: The shackles on the side of the interior are actually wheel chalks, they loop around a circular object. I don't know WHAT human would be able to be shackled with those.
"Benches": They're actually small ramps to keep the cars from smashing into each other, and they're curved so the cars can drive over them.
Air holes: First off, the holes are small because they keep moister out of the train cars to prevent damage for long trips, second, it removes carbon monoxide when the cars are being removed, it's a lengthy process and many people are inside the car when they do it.
The trains are massive and go on for miles: This is because they transport large numbers of vehicles at a time.
They sit idle: The economy sucks at the moment, and they're not ALWAYS being used.
Locked in ladders on the door: This is to prevent intruders out from climbing on the train or attempting to break in and steal the vehicle. Besides, the ladders are impossible to climb unless you open the door.
[U][B]CLAIM 2:[/B][/U]
[B]FEMA Buses
[/B]This one isn't as popular as the rest, but it's still an apparent concern.
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"Mass Evacuation bus? WHAT ON EARTH IS THIS ALL ABOUT?" Oh gee, I don't know.
Apparently, they think that these buses will transport the sick and elderly to be killed off.
Btw, why is that guy driving while filming, isn't that dangerous? Thank god there are Paramedics on that bus, or he'd be in major trouble.
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The person asks why that bus is there. I think it may have to do with the fact that it's probably new?
[B]The Truth:[/B]
This is easy to debunk, not much with it.
The bus is developed by Sartin Services (MORE LIKE SATAN SERVICES). It is a bus developed and sold to EMS groups across the country, it's not an evacuation bus of individuals, it's a mass casualty unit, there have been mass casualty buses in service for years. It was used in Katrina, the hurricanes and tornadoes down south and most major disasters across the country. People get hurt, and you need to remove them from the disaster area, via evacuation buses, or mass casualty units. I'm no EMS, though I'm taking certification to try and work there, but i do know people who are. And they all say this is a common vehicle among major EMS units.
[URL]http://www.sartinservices.com/MAB/photos.shtml[/URL]
The innards are for a handful of people, it's full of medical equipment and stretchers.
[U][B]CLAIM 3:[/B][/U]
[B]FEMA Coffins[/B]
Say you're an evil overlord trying to kill off lots of people. What do you do? Well, you kill them and A: Leave them or B: Give them proper burials or C: Burn them/mass grave. Any smart evil doer wouldn't do ALL THREE.
That's where these things come along.
[IMG]http://www.libertyforlife.com/images/Coffine-liners-close-up.jpg[/IMG]
You see, when an paranoid person sees a bunch of unexplained things that are also a dark colour, their mind wanders.
These are, according to them, coffins. Where the NWO will kill scores of people, then shove them into these black plastic bins. They can apparently fit a few bodies. They also claim there are millions of these in Atlanta Georgia.
This is the storage area in question:
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Their logic as to why it's in Atlanta only, is because Atlanta is a major hub of traffic and military operations, and CDC has its headquarters there.
[B]The Truth:[/B]
There are only 50,000 at most in the area, not millions.
And these are grave liners, seriously, you can read a consumers guide anywhere
[URL]http://www.funeralplanning101.com/burial-interment/burial-vaults-grave-liners.aspx[/URL]
[quote]While funeral planning you'll run into a lot of information regarding burial vaults and grave liners. The purpose of a burial vault is to prevent the ground from caving in once it has settled. Burial vaults can vary wildly in price, from as little as $200 to upwards of $10 000 US . The purchase that most practically fills this need is a concrete grave liner that need not cost any more than $400.[/quote]Ohhh, spooky.
These are developed by Vantage Products. And the lot manager produced to Popular Mechanics, the inventory for all of the vaults. They never have passed 60,000.
And they aren't even in Atlanta. It's in Madison, Georgia.
Here's the explanation of the company who develops them
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[U][B]CLAIM 4:[/B][/U]
[B]Beech Grove Amtrack facility[/B]
Linda Thompson, member of the Militia movement, which housed people like Tim McVeigh, developed many videos about FEMA camps in the late 90's
Here is such one
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This is one of the most famous videos, scoring over a million hits on youtube and is considered irrefutable evidence.
[B]The Truth:[/B]
Well, lets see the claims in question in the video:
Red Zone for people to line up and board trains: A red zone is simply a non-vehicle area used in public and government locations.
The Facility is a Death Camp: Nope, its Amtrak's primary maintenance yard for long-distance trains. John Gray, the facility manager, let popular mechanics go in and film pretty much the entire facility. There was nothing of interest other than train repair.
Military trains there prove military involvement: the military has trains too, and they break. So when a government train breaks, they're sent to a government train repair yard to become less broken.
According to Popular Mechanics and John Gray, here is the rest of the popular claims:
[quote][B]- The turnstiles and "prison bars":[/B] According to Grey, that system was the company's initial attempt at an electronic system to log in and out its 500 employees. They're similar to a pair of subway turnstiles. As the technology evolved, so too did the Amtrak infrastructure: There are no more bars to funnel employees through one set of gates; now there are electronic kiosks across the property where workers can clock in and out. "That system was short-lived," Grey says. "Now there are kiosks everywhere."
[B]-The "large warehouse" with windows and doors that are blocked:[/B] When the original footage was filmed, the "Coach 3" building, one of three original repair facilities on the property, was in the process of being emptied and consolidated into the other two massive warehouses on the property. That's why it was boarded up. The building was demolished about seven years ago.
[B]-New gas pipes and furnaces:[/B] In 1993, the existing centralized power plant for steam heat was deemed too expensive and inefficient. That year, the company upgraded to localized forced-air gas heaters. (Hence the "new gas pipes" seen in 1994.) "The volume of gas use went up, so we rerouted the gas line from a front entrance to the back entrance," Grey said, "just like you would at your house."[/quote][U][B]CLAIM 5:[/B][/U]
[B]Wyoming detention centre[/B]
This one is really simple:
[IMG]http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/Yk/debunking_fema_470_0409.jpg[/IMG]
This is a death camp, where some pretty immoral stuff goes on. There is no doubt about that.
Now, the claim is, this was taken from the DHS website when they accidentally posted it, and took it down an hour later.
[B] The Truth:[/B]
This Camp isn't owned by this guy:
[IMG]http://showstalker.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/obama.jpg[/IMG]
Or even this guy
[IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01016/bush-expression_1016531i.jpg[/IMG]
And not even this guy:
[IMG]http://www.lcnn1.com/janet_napolitano_2009_alexwonggetty.jpg[/IMG]
Nope, it's owned by this guy:
[IMG]http://tvrefill.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/north-korea-is-best-korea.jpg[/IMG]
Yup, some jackass took an aerial photo of a North Korean gulag and put a DHS logo on it.
[B]D [/B]- [U][B]Shady Legislation[/B][/U]
Popular Mechanics wrote up a really good article on this:
[quote][B]CLAIM:[/B] "FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation." (The site then lists 14 executive orders as examples.)
[B]FACTS:[/B] In 1962, while juggling conflicts in Cuba and Vietnam, and the potential for nuclear war with the Soviets, President John F. Kennedy signed a series of [URL="http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/1962.html"]executive orders[/URL] that outlined the basic framework for agency responsibilities during a national emergency. Most of those have since been revoked, or rolled into a single, more comprehensive [URL="http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/12656.html"]executive order[/URL] signed by President Reagan. Safeguards were written into the current framework of responsibilities, declaring that any emergency preparation or actions "shall be consistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States."
According to Bruce Ackerman, Sterling Professor of Law and Political Science at Yale Law School, "The question of whether executive power could be abused so as to act inconsistently with the law has been a central constitutional concern for years. But the question in this case is whether it's right to look at 47-year-old executive orders without studying what came after them. And the answer there is obviously no."
The idea of the government seizing all the nation's farmland or forcing Americans into labor camps is without basis--except in Hollywood. In the first [I]X-Files[/I] movie, the character Dr. Alvin Kurtzweil [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plMB3mq_rss"]meets agent Mulder in a dark alley[/URL]. "Are you familiar with what the Federal Emergency Management Agency's real power is?" Kurtzweil asks. "FEMA allows the White House to suspend Constitutional government on declaration of a national emergency. Think about that!"
Speculation about the agency was rampant after the film came out, leading a FEMA spokesman to tell [I]The Washington Post[/I] in an article published on June 24, 1998: "You may emphatically state that FEMA does not have, never has had, nor will ever seek, the authority to suspend the Constitution." In fact, it led to an internal FEMA memo, reading: "While entertaining and somewhat humorous to the employees of FEMA, some moviegoers may not understand that they are watching a fictional portrayal of the agency. " Most people know us as the agency that responds to natural disasters, others believe we have a somewhat sinister role. For the latter, it is not realistic to think that we can convince them otherwise and it is advisable not to enter into debate on the subject."[/quote]NWO theorists like to take government documents, which are usually really easy to get, and cherry pick what they think sounds vague and eerie. Such examples is REX 84 and War powers act.
[B]D [/B]- [U][B]Conclusion[/B][/U]
In conclusion, the theorists have a bad habit of taking a small shady thing, and piling it onto their cluttered and schizophrenic theory. With such things like a construction site is a mass grave or grave liners are coffins, the claims are just odd. They're harmful too.
Let me tell you something I found disturbing:
I saw a while ago a thread, sometime after Hurricane Katrina, in an absolutely torn up New Orleans and the environs surrounding it, these guys from Prisonplanet went out there to go investigate what the government was doing. They picked apart trailers and these buildings used to house homeless and injured people affected by the storm. They mocked and jeered the disaster relief effort as these people suffered. They looked through this large prefab FEMA building with many cots and supply closests, saying this is the new age of martial Law America, but you could see buckets of toys, teddy bears and other items for the children also effected by the hurricane, to comfort them. These people vandalise and destroy property around the Madison grave liner storage site, they attack the people in the Amtrak facility, they harass people who are suspected to be a part of this. They defile the dignity of people killed by Hurricane Katrina and the countless people affected, they mock the people who were killed on 9/11, and even go as far as to say "This happened in Nazi Germany, it can happen here" mocking the people who died in the holocaust. Crazy people will be crazy people, but when they start to hurt others and destroy property, they deserve to be called out and told what their ideas actually are, complete and total [B]bullshit.[/B]
*Disclaimer* Not really sure why I wrote this thread, or why I spent a few hours working on it, but as a journalist, I've grown to love researching and looking up claims. Anyway, I worked hard on this, so hopefully you find it an interesting read.
Now if anyone has questions or sees some mistakes in the OP, let me know.
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Some extra reading from this thread:
[QUOTE=Polykatana;30490846]I've only read a couple pages in this thread. I promise I'll read all these other posts when I have the time. But, I just thought I'd say thank you for posting this. Conspiracy theories are all too common these days. And, I have personal problems with it. The love of my life... well, her dad believes all of this stuff. I've met his friends, as well, and they are all just like him. I can't go into much detail, but I can verify that there is no happy medium.
This is not one of those issues like budget cuts, Democrat Vs. Republican, what should be taught in schools, or economic details, where people can be very opinionated for the duration of a discussion, and then move on with their day to other important things. No. This is a lifestyle. When you get sucked into this way of thinking, these paranoid suspicions, you become an intellectually inept zombie. Or, you have to be an intellectually inept zombie to get sucked into this way of thinking. I'm really not sure. Either way, it's not like, "The government is planning to kill us, I'm pretty sure of it. Anyways, you see what McNabb did yesterday? I didn't know anyone could throw like that."
Nope.
It's more like, "The government is planning to kill us. I've stocked up on rice, MRE's, TP, batteries, and bottled water. The wife and I are planning to go up north to look at some houses in the woods where we can hide out when it's time to get off the grid. A few friends are coming along, too. It's going to be a week-long thing, so we'll have to reschedule the survival meeting for the 15th. Oh! I HAVE to show you this... it's a tube full of seeds. I heard about it on Coast-to-Coast AM. It's enough seeds to provide us for food to last several years, all compressed into a convenient vacuum-fresh container. It'll come in handy, considering the major food corporations are primed to release a dangerous toxin in the food supply. The toxin is designed to react with aspartame, forming a dangerous combination that will dissolve your nervous system in 40 minutes. While we're on the subject, what do you think about vaccines?"
I kid you not. I'm not even laughing, chuckling, or grinning. Others may be getting a kick out of reading the above illustration, but this is all too real to me. This isn't just a part of their lives. It IS their lives. It's what they breathe, smell, eat, think, feel, say... it's their god. It's a sickness. It's a physical and mental sickness. It makes them lose sleep, ruins their appetite, and causes them to fixate on something that they probably, in some small way, know is outlandish and absurd. Put yourself in the following position. You go to a party or some social event. You pass a pretty girl, and you say, "How are you?" She smiles and says, "Great! How are you?" After exchanging greetings, some other girl starts talking to her, and to avoid any awkwardness, you casually wander off. She finishes talking to her friend, but then, doesn't seek you out. She doesn't look for you. Instead, she goes over to talk to someone else. Later, she passes you and says, "It was nice meeting you." You don't see her again. Instead, you continue the conversation in your head. "Your eyes are a really deep shade of blue. I've never seen anything like it." "Oh, what do I do? I work at a school where I do a lot of different things. It's basically a jack-of-all-trades kind of job." Over the next couple weeks, you do this, thinking of scenarios in which you could impress her. You wonder if there was any subtle movement in her face that anyone else would have picked up as flirtatious or if there was anything about her disposition that you missed that would have told you whether or not she was even interested in you. You continue to perceive that one conversation as the highlight of your year, and maybe, just maybe, the highlight of her's. In an immediate sense, this kind of thought process is probably normal. It's love, or the potential thereof. But, if it continues for months or years, then it just might be mental illness, especially if you think the person has deep feelings for you, despite the fact that they never showed any such emotions.
Now, let's look back at these conspiracy theories. Despite the fact that there has been no legitimate indication that the government is planning the highest level of mass genocide ever imagined, and despite the logical explanations for what these truthers (or whatever you want to call them) claim can't be explained, they continue to believe it's true. They plan it all out in their head. They think of all ways it could go down. You'd think that because their ideas are silly and unfounded, it would be easy to debate them. You would be wrong. You spent the past day or two thinking about this. They spend every waking moment of their lives thinking about it. I'm still uncertain about why they believe this stuff. Further painstaking studies are required for me to come to a conclusion, but I think I've got it narrowed down to two different personality types, not including those who truly are mentally ill.
First off, there's the naive, paranoid personality. The problem with this personality is that it's subjected to emotion more than logic. To be convinced of a story, myth, threat, etc., one only needs to be exposed to anecdotal "evidence" and vague pictures/documents. These people are extremely common. They may want to know the truth. They certainly don't want to be scammed or lied too. But, the stories they hear are just so scary, it must be true, right? Want to know something that's really scary? Google Anti-vax or Big Pharma, and tell me you don't feel some measure of uncertainty when you read horror stories written by followers of Jenny McCarthy. We're all susceptible to being subdued by our own emotions and inherent fears. But ultimately, we have to put reason above our feelings. I won't elaborate too much on this, but I would suggest that to learn more about this kind of behavior and thought process, anyone interested should check out "The Panic Virus," by Seth Mnookin. It's an incredible read, and really sheds some light on the human condition in regards to the unknown.
Secondly, there's the personality that comes with being a social failure. You didn't go to college, you didn't have many friends growing up, or you feel inadequate because you work some dead-end job when you should be somewhere better. Maybe you just have physical or mental deficiencies that set you apart from anyone else. In any case, you feel that no one accepts you or considers you their equal. You come short of the expectations of society. But then, if the government is trying to kill us all, then, those other people who have great jobs, money to throw around, and respect from everyone they know... their jobs are worthless. Everything they do is like a lab-rat toiling in futility to get through a maze that has no cheese. They're Sheeple. They're just blind to what you know as the future destruction of all mankind.
People with this type of personality are trying to fill some kind of void. Not only does it rationalize their pain away, but it gives them a medium, something they have in common with many others who believe the same thing. They're finally accepted. People pay attention to them. Suddenly, they're okay with themselves. The problem here is that they should have already been okay with themselves. The first half of the previous paragraph describes me. Yeah, I wish things were better. And yes, I did spend a good 6 years beating myself up over my short-comings. But you know what? I couldn't afford to go to college initially, and the money my parents saved up for my college fund, I told them to give it to my sister, so she'd have a better chance. I didn't have many friends growing up, but the few that I had/have stuck with me. I still have a dead-end job, but the job market is getting better in my area and I have the next couple days off to continue job-hunting. And finally, I have things that I've often been self-conscious about... things I can't change: my jaw/teeth structure, the height difference between my ears, and the sound of my voice (I can't stand to hear a recording of it). Regardless, it may be big to me, but other people apparently don't even notice any of these things unless I point them out. Furthermore, the most important girl in my life wouldn't change a thing about me. She accepts me because of who I am, and I can't seem to screw up enough to make her second guess our relationship. The more I'm like myself, the more she's attracted to me.
I'm not going to turn to conspiracy theories or the hope that, someday, aliens will take me to another world where I can start over. I'm not going to turn to this stuff, because I'm accepted by the people who matter to me. But, consider this... what if we, or society, is responsible for the people who turn to this garbage? We set stereotypes in regards to taste, physical appearance, financial status, etc., and alienate anyone who doesn't fit the mold that we've deemed acceptable and persistently portrayed in various forms of media and communication. Maybe we don't do this willingly, but when we strive to become something we're not, we separate ourselves from those who can't keep up. At the risk of sounding like an after-school special, we should be okay with who we are. Doesn't mean we shouldn't keep moving towards something better for ourselves. We just need to be a lot less self-defeating.
I know that last bit is something everyone has heard at some point in their life, but it's relevant here. Maybe the better a person feels about themselves, the less likely they are to make themselves sick over conspiracy theories. I don't know for a fact that there is no government conspiracy. I just don't see any evidence or even any logic behind the theories that exist. I will say, though, I know of at least one likely conspiracy, but it's local, it's something other than government, and I probably shouldn't go into it, just to be safe. Other than that, I need to be sold. I'm skeptical. We need to fight stories and hype with reason and facts.
Once again, excellent work, amute. It was kind of weird seeing this up here after all I've been through lately. This stuff has been seriously spilling over into our lives the past couple months, and it's just a constant battle over beliefs, rights, and theories. You'd think that for a bunch of people who believe in fighting to the death for their rights, they'd respect your rights as well, but no. It's hypocrisy. Almost everything you said, I've heard in the past two months. I hate hearing it, but I'm glad it's here.[/QUOTE]
Holy fuck thats alot of text.
The guy seems like a wackjob though.
[QUOTE=ACupXOfXNoodles;30249604]Holy fuck thats alot of text.
The guy seems like a wackjob though.[/QUOTE]
wow your a quick reader!
[QUOTE=Soda-C Steve;30249629]wow your a quick reader![/QUOTE]
Yeah I skimmed most of it. Gonna read it all the way now.
We need bad reading back.
[QUOTE=ACupXOfXNoodles;30249604]Holy fuck thats alot of text.
The guy seems like a wackjob though.[/QUOTE]
I certainly hope you aren't talking about me.
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Also, media tags keep fucking up, Garry needs to fix that shit.
[QUOTE=AnalDestroyer;30249688]We need bad reading back[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Soda-C Steve;30249629]wow your a quick reader![/QUOTE]
And bad spelling.
OP is obviously an illuminati spy sent into the Bildenburg group to distract the population from US false flag terrorist operations and to allow FEMA to begin their systematic extermination of 80% of the worlds population for little to no reason!
[QUOTE=amute;30249719]I certainly hope you aren't talking about me.
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Also, media tags keep fucking up, Garry needs to fix that shit.[/QUOTE]
Nope, not you!
Though I am gonna admit, I am very confused by most of this and what I pieced together is my first post. You mind explaining it more.. uhh simply to me? Haha.
Is it something about conspirators and concentration camps at the end of the world?
[QUOTE=markg06;30249762]OP is obviously an illuminati spy sent into the Bildenburg group to distract the population from US false flag terrorist operations and to allow FEMA to begin their systematic extermination of 80% of the worlds population for little to no reason![/QUOTE]
FUCK HE KNOWS
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[QUOTE=ACupXOfXNoodles;30249773]Nope, not you!
Though I am gonna admit, I am very confused by most of this and what I pieced together is my first post. You mind explaining it more.. uhh simply to me? Haha.
Is it something about conspirators and concentration camps at the end of the world?[/QUOTE]
people think FEMA is going to turn America into nazi germany, kill 80% of the worlds population etc etc. Just nutter bullshit.
This is one of the best threads I've seen on FP, scary thing is, A LOT of people believe this shit, my uncle is one of them
...we don't talk to him anymore...
They'd be better off saying the postal service was going to initiate mass genocide.
The article is exactly about what FEMA is doing in Deus Ex Human Revolution! There are FEMA detention camps and they bring people in there and interrogate them.
Sometimes fiction and reality are tied together closely. I don't like the idea of this being real.
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[QUOTE=amute;30249801]FUCK HE KNOWS
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people think FEMA is going to turn America into nazi germany, kill 80% of the worlds population etc etc. Just nutter bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Ah. That's what I was thinking. Just caught that 4th Reich part at the bottom and thought about that.
I can't believe people actually listen to this moron. Here's the one going on and on aobut how 9/11 was a false flag attack to use fear as a tool to enslave the human race, and what does he do? Uses fear to peddle his shitty DVDs!
I love it when idiots listen to these people and sell their house and take huge high interest loans out to "live out" the rest of their lives, or take shelter thinking that the government is coming for them.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;30250110]I love it when idiots listen to these people and sell their house and take huge high interest loans out to "live out" the rest of their lives, or take shelter thinking that the government is coming for them.[/QUOTE]
I pity people like that, they ruin their own lives for a lie.
You had me worried you were a conspiracy nutter at first. Good read though. FEMA, really? Out of all the things they could have picked to be the centerpiece to their crazy theories they pick FEMA?
That actually was a very interesting read. Debunking myths are always fun to read and watch, mostly when the answers seem easy to find
[QUOTE=OvB;30250418]You had me worried you were a conspiracy nutter at first. Good read though. FEMA, really? Out of all the things they could have picked to be the centerpiece to their crazy theories they pick FEMA?[/QUOTE]
Well, all joking aside, they legally have the ability to do it more than anyone else, save the military. It, on paper, makes sense. But if you were to actually look at FEMA, it's just a useless organisation. In reality, even if they could, they couldn't.
The thing is, most of these theorists are right-wing populists, they're very-pro military, which is really god damn weird, because the military is part of the US government, and if these actions were to actually happen, the military would be the ones enforcing things like martial law. They're very backwards, these theorists.
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They'd be better off pinning this to the military, than FEMA. Because the Miltiary are the ones who can do it, legally and physically. FEMA can do it legally.
Which does beg the question, why don't they just fucking do it, why is this grand scheme so sloppy. Like leaving evidence EVERYWHERE, public legislation etc.
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Just doesn't make one god damn lick of sense.
Well you ruined my persecution fantasies.
Didn't read lol?
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[QUOTE=BenJammin';30250608]Didn't read lol?[/QUOTE]
Didn't need to post, lol?
[QUOTE=BenJammin';30250608]Didn't read lol?[/QUOTE]
Reading is hard, right?
It's a pity that we even grant them a shred of credibility by debunking their claims. Better to just ignore them and deny them the spotlight they desire.
It always seems that conspiracy theories were always hellbent on some sort of "external" power behind the throne with the intent of the NWO. Depending on what time it was from: Freemasons, "Judeo-Bolsheviks", Communists, Jews in general, or even lizard men.
Sad thing is people like Alex Jones get money and followers off this. It's funny considering that Jones' Prison Planet is filled with a shit ton of advertisements while he rants on about conspiracies.
When Wikileaks published GENUINE secret documents exposing the government... what did they say? Exactly what the public already [b]knew[/b], for the most part. Spying in embassies, ill treatment of suspected terrorist subjects, etc etc.
So much for NWO. People always say 'you shouldn't trust the government', however, you should always take heed 'do not replace a fool with a fool' Good thread OP.
aww no need to debunk all that... conspiracy theories make good movies!
i swear to god somebody is going to come in here and start yelling about reptillians.
Quite a good read. Well done.
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