Hundreds in Scotland still have black and white TV
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[quote]More than 550 households in Scotland are still watching television in black and white, according to TV licensing officials.
Glasgow has the largest number of black and white sets at 200, followed by Edinburgh with 55.
TV Licensing Scotland revealed the figure as it reminded viewers they need a licence, however dated the model.
Regular colour broadcasts began on BBC Two in July 1967.[/quote]
[quote]Yet almost 10,000 black and white licences are still in force across the UK.[/quote]
[quote]The cost of a black and white licence is £49 compared with £145.50 for a colour licence.[/quote]
[quote]Jim McLauchlan from the Museum of Communications in Burntisland, Fife, said there are an increasing number of collectors of old black and white sets.
He said: "It is now some years since I have come across anyone using a black and white television, though the occasional person has one tucked away in their attic.
"We certainly get them donated now and then to the museum and there are an increasing number of collectors throughout the UK collecting black and white sets from as early as the 1940s onwards, with some now fetching good prices.[/quote]
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-35185652]**SOURCE**[/url]
Not really sure why it singles out Scotland when we seemingly have less than 1/10th (nearer 1/20th) of the B&W TV Licenses in the UK
I'm confused because the article was saying shit about licenses. Do you need one to own a TV over in the UK or some shit?
[QUOTE=matt000024;49432216]I'm confused because the article was saying shit about licenses. Do you need one to own a TV over in the UK or some shit?[/QUOTE]
It's more of a public broadcasting fund, but yes
I love seeing obsolete appliances still being used to this day. But Jesus, that TV license is ridiculous.
Is it true that you don't need one if the TV won't be used for watching cable?
I don't see why this is even supposed to be a big deal, there's probably far more households than that who have old ass TVs in the US. Probably an even higher number who have never even had a television at all.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49432238]It's more of a public broadcasting fund, but yes[/QUOTE]Hahahaha what the fuck. Like what happens if you don't pay it but you still have a TV in your house? Do you get arrested or something?
Do you have to take a TV watching test before you can actually get your tv license?
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;49432309]I love seeing obsolete appliances still being used to this day. But Jesus, that TV license is ridiculous.
Is it true that you don't need one if the TV won't be used for watching cable?[/QUOTE]
Yes. You only need one if you have an active television. Just having a screen is fine.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49432327]I don't see why this is even supposed to be a big deal, there's probably far more households than that who have old ass TVs in the US. Probably an even higher number who have never even had a television at all.
Hahahaha what the fuck. Like what happens if you don't pay it but you still have a TV in your house? Do you get arrested or something?[/QUOTE]
[quote="http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/detection-and-penalties-top5"]
It’s against the law to watch or record TV programmes as they're being shown on TV without a valid licence. This includes the use of devices such as a TV, computer, mobile phone, games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder.
[B]Watching TV without a valid licence is a criminal offence. This can lead to prosecution, a court appearance and a fine of up to £1,000 (not including legal costs). The exceptions are in Guernsey where the maximum fine is £2,000 and Jersey it is £500.[/B][/quote]
Coming from Canada where CBC is publically and federally funded that's just fucked.
holy shit tbh that seems backwards as fuck for a first world nation lmao
[QUOTE=matt000024;49432370]holy shit tbh that seems backwards as fuck for a first world nation lmao[/QUOTE]
But with all that funding the Beeb is commercial-free. Yet most shows last <7 episodes, so go figure.
i hear what they say about scots is true
As far as I'm concerned getting OTA broadcasts is essentially listening to the atmosphere at a given frequency, which anyone can and should be able to do for free if they've got the equipment already to do so.
[QUOTE=pentium;49432355]Coming from Canada where CBC is publically and federally funded that's just fucked.[/QUOTE]Oh holy shit I just read this fucking bullshit. There's a fucking national database of people who own TVs? Oh [I]wow.[/I] Then they'll send somebody to your door apparently to check to see if you're watching TV or not, and patrol around your house with "detector vans" that can "detect the use of TV receiving equipment at specifically targeted addresses within minutes." No fucking wonder why people have black and white televisions the bullshit "license" for them is half price.
I'm laughing my ass off right now just remembering all those British assholes shit-talking the USA for being this backwards hellhole for not having buses or something. Hahaha if this is how a civilized country works I'll keep being an unruly savage.
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[quote]It costs £145.50 for a colour and £49.00 for a black and white TV Licence.[/quote]
Less than half actually, so yeah I'd have a B&W one too.
[QUOTE=pentium;49432355]Coming from Canada where CBC is publically and federally funded that's just fucked.[/QUOTE]
The penalty for not paying your taxes here can be a lot worse than those fines. The CBC costs are just hidden in your taxes.
They call it a license but it's just a tax. Quit getting your panties up in a bunch.
[QUOTE=matt000024;49432370]holy shit tbh that seems backwards as fuck for a first world nation lmao[/QUOTE]
We've got it in Ireland, too. Sadly. Same penalties, as well.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49432614]They call it a license but it's just a tax. Quit getting your panties up in a bunch.[/QUOTE] True, but it's still strange that we tax something like TV. We don't have mandatory broadband licenses, so why should TV licenses exist?
I'm not 100% clued in on the facts, but I believe UK broadband license fees go to the BBC, which is absolutely ridiculous.
we have tv license in sweden aswell, but im not paying for it. They cant go into your house and demand you to pay for it. Saying something as simple as "I dont have a tv" works and then they leave.
[QUOTE=matt000024;49432216]I'm confused because the article was saying shit about licenses. Do you need one to own a TV over in the UK or some shit?[/QUOTE]
You don't need a license to own a TV, as far as I understand it, only to watch BBC and other public access programming.
If you don't intend to watch television on your TV (you only have a game console or something), you don't have to pay the license. That's how I heard it, anyway.
It's like $12 a month, so it's a little cheaper than most base-tier cable packages, and you get the BBC. Which, I'd say, is a pretty solid trade-off. The penalties are a bit weird, though, but I guess it's about the same as cable theft laws here.
And also, they don't have ads. I'd gladly pay $12 a month to not see advertisements on TV. Ads are the worst.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49432570]Keep in mind that britbong television doesn't have 40 thousand hours of ads somehow warped into 30 minute time blocks, there's no ads on any BBC channel and all other commercial channels have 7 minutes of ads per hour block (compared to the US which has roughly 20 minutes of ads per hour)
Also the licenses fund the BBC which can make some cool stuff when they feel like it.[/QUOTE]Yeah but they could easily pay for the service with [U]some[/U] ads rather than going "hey let's cram as many into the time blocks as the FCC will allow!" like it's done here.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49432651]And also, they don't have ads. I'd gladly pay $12 a month to not see advertisements on TV. Ads are the worst.[/QUOTE]The reason why we have so many ads is because broadcasting in the US is because they make the broadcasting companies more money.
Like it's not an all-or-nothing type of deal, they could also just make it an actual fucking tax and stop wasting money on sending "enforcement officers" to ask if you're a criminal or not, and then getting a suspicious man in a van to drive slowly around your block. They apparently have "a fleet" of the things so... I imagine there's some serious overhead for that shit that could be done away with if they just had a tiny tax for the thing or, even more smartly, had small advertisement blocks.
[QUOTE=Shalaska;49432620]We've got it in Ireland, too. Sadly. Same penalties, as well.
True, but it's still strange that we tax something like TV. We don't have mandatory broadband licenses, so why should TV licenses exist?
I'm not 100% clued in on the facts, but I believe UK broadband license fees go to the BBC, which is absolutely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
How is it ridiculous? Here in America we shell out boatloads of money to companies that barely deliver on the cable, every new years half the channels go out because the cable provider doesn't want to pay for the channel fees and demands a renegotiation which won't really do anything, then we have 45 minutes of ads on roughly 20 minutes of show, the BBC is not bad at all
Ya it needs reformed but publically funded TV in the US is a joke compared to the BBC and now there isn't a news outlet that has any independence from their corporate overlord's political agenda, meanwhile the BBC is generally pretty neutral in its news
[QUOTE=Sableye;49432716]How is it ridiculous? Here in America we shell out boatloads of money to companies that barely deliver on the cable, every new years half the channels go out because the cable provider doesn't want to pay for the channel fees and demands a renegotiation which won't really do anything, then we have 45 minutes of ads on roughly 20 minutes of show, the BBC is not bad at all
Ya it needs reformed but publically funded TV in the US is a joke compared to the BBC and now there isn't a news outlet that has any independence from their corporate overlord's political agenda, meanwhile the BBC is generally pretty neutral in its news[/QUOTE]Government subsidized television broadcasting does not exist in the United States in any meaningful way. PBS is publicly funded directly by personal donations, so the only real ads they have are basically begging viewers for money.
We have nothing that equates to the BBC at all and we never will.
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We have nothing that equates to the BBC at all and we never will.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't NPR get taxpayer money
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49432781]Doesn't NPR get taxpayer money[/QUOTE]Yes, but the National Public [I]Radio[/I] doesn't do television broadcasts, at least I can't ever recall any. They're still largely funded by private donations and fundraisers though, and they receive no direct federal funding.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49432772]Government subsidized television broadcasting does not exist in the United States in any meaningful way. PBS is publicly funded directly by personal donations, so the only real ads they have are basically begging viewers for money.
We have nothing that equates to the BBC at all and we never will.[/QUOTE]
All the public broadcasting organizations get government funding, it's what the CPB is for. PBS gets $27m a year, and local public stations get $222m per year (divided per station). Additionally, there's another $74m for local public television content.
As for NPR, there's roughly $120m set aside for local public radio, and about 18% of that goes directly to NPR to be distributed among its member stations, and member stations also receive their own grants from the CPB.
Granted, all of our public broadcasting is heavily funded by the viewers or listeners, because the government doesn't give nearly enough money to public broadcasters, but it does give them something.
[QUOTE=Shalaska;49432620]We've got it in Ireland, too. Sadly. Same penalties, as well.
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The bigger problem with our TV license is RTE makes one good show every 5 years and the rest of the time it's just the same shit made over and over.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49432821]All the public broadcasting organizations get government funding, it's what the CPB is for.[/QUOTE]That's still a private non-profit corporation though, it isn't the actual US government and it's not a guaranteed source for funding because it's all grant-based.
So really, again, we don't have any equivalent to the BBC here at all. I'm doubly glad that the US doesn't pay for something like that like the UK does, can you imagine if our government did that? Holy shit, it would either go way overboard, be a clusterfuck, or be completely ineffectual. Also it would always be over budget, and all the head honchos of whatever organization did that would be former executives of the major broadcast corporations making all sorts of ridiculous decisions that would make them a boatload of money when they moved on. :v:
[editline]1st January 2016[/editline]
Oh and by the way, since we have completely free broadcast television it's possible to get Canadian television in the US and vice-versa.
I'm a fan of Saving Hope by the way, featuring Dr. Daniel Jackson in an alternative timeline where he pursued a medical license rather than his love of archaeology.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49432823]The bigger problem with our TV license is RTE makes one good show every 5 years and the rest of the time it's just the same shit made over and over.[/QUOTE]
In Germany there's a combined TV/Radio license (and you also need one if you have a car radio, internet radio, or internet-connected computer), but it's once per household now, waived if you don't have enough income and the stations paid from it are very high-quality, so I don't mind.
The real issue is with the music and print industry and their ridiculous "Hey, you can potentially use this device to copy or transfer copyrighted content so you have pay us in advance on purchase!" fees (for example. The GEMA-Vermutung is on an entirely different level that imo outright contradicts basic decency). You pay around 1 or 2€ extra for every reusable digital storage device you buy, a rise of sometimes 1850% compared to pre-2012.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49432901]That's still a private non-profit corporation though, it isn't the actual US government and it's not a guaranteed source for funding because it's all grant-based.
So really, again, we don't have any equivalent to the BBC here at all. I'm doubly glad that the US doesn't pay for something like that like the UK does, can you imagine if our government did that? Holy shit, it would either go way overboard, be a clusterfuck, or be completely ineffectual. Also it would always be over budget, and all the head honchos of whatever organization did that would be former executives of the major broadcast corporations making all sorts of ridiculous decisions that would make them a boatload of money when they moved on. :v:
[editline]1st January 2016[/editline]
Oh and by the way, since we have completely free broadcast television it's possible to get Canadian television in the US and vice-versa.
I'm a fan of Saving Hope by the way, featuring Dr. Daniel Jackson in an alternative timeline where he pursued a medical license rather than his love of archaeology.[/QUOTE]
No. The CPB is a government entity that gets a budget allocated by congress every year, which is adjusted for yearly inflation. It's existence is mandated by federal law, and it receives all of its funding from the US government, which it then redistributes to public broadcasting organizations.
Seriously, man, it doesn't hurt to check wiki pages to understand what you're talking about before you talk about it. It's what I do, and why I know you'real making up half of what you're saying right now.
[QUOTE=freaka;49432650]we have tv license in sweden aswell, but im not paying for it. They cant go into your house and demand you to pay for it. Saying something as simple as "I dont have a tv" works and then they leave.[/QUOTE]
You can do the same in the UK, you just sign a declaration form and they might come check but you don't legally have to let them in unless they come back with a warrant.
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