• Boehner: Obamacare is now 'the law of the land', Republicans will abandon active repeal efforts
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[url]http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/08/15029606-boehner-obamacare-is-the-law-of-the-land[/url] [quote=NBC News]Republicans' efforts to undo President Barack Obama's health care reform law appear to have come to an end, as House Speaker John Boehner described it Thursday as the "law of the land." In an interview with ABC News, the nation's top elected Republican seemed to indicate that Congress wouldn't engage in the type of repeated repeal votes the way it had in the past two years. Boehner's office provided a transcript of the exchange: [quote]SAWYER: A couple of other questions about the agenda now. You have said next year that you would repeal the healthcare vote. That's still your mission? BOEHNER: Well, I think the election changes that. It's pretty clear that the president was reelected, Obamacare is the law of the land. I think there are parts of the healthcare law that are gonna be very difficult to implement. And very expensive. And as the time when we're tryin' to find a way to create a path toward a balanced budget everything has to be on the table. SAWYER: But you won't be spending the time next year trying to repeal Obamacare? BOEHNER: There certainly may be parts of it that we believe-- need to be changed. We may do that. No decisions at this point.[/quote] The speaker's pronouncement, if nothing else, signifies a pivot away from Republicans' efforts to showcase for conservatives their doggedness in looking to repeal "Obamacare." It's also a recognition that the 2009-2010 health care law that came to define Obama's first term in office -- and propel Republicans to a majority in the House -- is here to stay. A spokesman for Boehner sought to clarify the speaker's comments. "While ObamaCare is the law of the land, it is costing us jobs and threatening our health care," said Kevin Smith, the speaker's communications director. "Speaker Boehner and House Republicans remain committed to repealing the law, and he said in the interview it would be on the table." The Supreme Court's summer 2012 ruling upholding the constitutionality of the law disarmed conservatives of one of their best possible chances of defeating the health care law once and for all. And Mitt Romney's loss on Tuesday meant that Republicans won't have in the White House a president that could severely limit the scope of the law before its key provisions begin to take effect in 2014.[/quote]
Hopefully this is the beginning of the return of government.
Fucking finally
Hehehe, Boehner. Why do people still call it obamacare though? Is there no better term for it?
obamacare is far far far from ideal, i hope with this the democrats will be willing to push for a much more comprehensive and effective legislation.
same reason people call it reaganomics sounds cool
[quote]"While ObamaCare is the law of the land, it is costing us jobs and threatening our health care," said Kevin Smith, the speaker's communications director[/quote] Anybody here able to explain my how it does this, exactly?
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;38381136]Anybody here able to explain my how it does this, exactly?[/QUOTE] Not 100% sure about the health care part, but businesses with over 50 employees have to pay for insurance. The problem here is that there's health insurance companies. In my opinion, adopting a single payer system would be ideal, but I think Obamacare is the only way to get there at this point in time.
Yeah, it's even taught as "Obamacare". The same goes for Reaganomics. They are easy terms to remember, and more descriptive terms tend be too long/imprecise to be useful, as policy tends to deviate a lot from the pure theories that inspire them/use more 'scientific' terminology. (Terms invented to encompass the policies that end up being put in place also tend to piss people off, for example "Military Keynesianism") Note: In countries where the majority party has greater power, policy can be implemented that is closer to theory.
Social Democracy prevails! :dance:
[QUOTE=Bradyns;38381264]Social Democracy prevails! :dance:[/QUOTE] Socialism is the way to the stars for the people. Maybe we could someday reach functioning communism. A patriarch can dream
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;38381136]Anybody here able to explain my how it does this, exactly?[/QUOTE] If I understand US Republicans right, what Obamacare does is destroy America by providing access to health care to the poor who can't afford it yet need it. I think what they're saying is that the health system will be overloaded with people and come crashing down or something. ...And with regard to costing the US jobs, well they don't actually use the US dollar any more. Everything costs jobs now and they have to find a way to print more jobs. So I have to admit I can't really understand what the hell these guys have been going on and on about for ages because that seems to be their entire reasoning. Am I close?
Maybe the GOP is finally beginning to realize that pandering to the wingnuts on the right will get them nowhere.
So after 30+ votes, they finally figured out it's not gonna happen?
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;38381372]If I understand US Republicans right, what Obamacare does is destroy America by providing access to health care to the poor who can't afford it yet need it. I think what they're saying is that the health system will be overloaded with people and come crashing down or something.[/QUOTE] Then you haven't read the law and are just regurgitating heresay. Obamacare doesn't create free healthcare for any class in the United States, it only supposedly makes it "more affordable" at the cost of a trillion dollars of taxpayer money. In actuality it doesn't help with affordability because health insurance policies are going up from all of the crap insurance companies are now forced to provide, in addition to the yearly premium hikes policies always get. The poorer classes in the US already have access to healthcare at the local, state and national levels, just local and state levels have historically been better since each area caters best to the population that lives in that area. The individual mandate also forces every citizen to have an "acceptable" (undefined) insurance policy or be fined $695 or 2.5% of their income (whichever is higher, for individuals) or $2085 for families yearly. most of the poorer classes already can't afford the "more affordable" healthcare and will just be relentlessly fined with no benefit gain. This is one of the parts that piss off conservatives. Citizens of the US are protected by the constitution from being forced to purchase goods from the federal government, or forced to purchase goods that the federal government deems you must purchase. This was upheld by that cunt John Roberts on the Supreme Court because he lacks a pair. [QUOTE=MuTAnT;38381372]...And with regard to costing the US jobs, well they don't actually use the US dollar any more. Everything costs jobs now and they have to find a way to print more jobs. So I have to admit I can't really understand what the hell these guys have been going on and on about for ages because that seems to be their entire reasoning. Am I close?[/QUOTE] It costs jobs because on top of the already crippling amount of tax businesses have to pay to stay in operation, they're now forced to provide insurance policies to employees. It prevents more new businesses from starting up, so you lose jobs there. It also causes more businesses to go bankrupt if they can't pass the increased costs off to the consumer.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;38381494]Maybe the GOP is finally beginning to realize that pandering to the wingnuts on the right will get them nowhere.[/QUOTE] no, they just know it's impossible for them to repeal this before it goes into effect The Republicans will be tripling down on their bullshit until they're completely in the woods. The primary process and their marriage to the tea party guarantees this.
[QUOTE=Lazor;38382186]no, they just know it's impossible for them to repeal this before it goes into effect The Republicans will be tripling down on there bullshit until they're completely in the woods. The primary process and their marriage to the tea party guarantees this.[/QUOTE] are you sure? look at the demographics of who voted for obama - disproportionately women. the republicans might have shit policies but they're still intelligent people and they will learn that they have to be more moderate in the next election and stop with the misogynist pro-life shit.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38382196]are you sure? look at the demographics of who voted for obama - disproportionately women. the republicans might have shit policies but they're still intelligent people and they will learn that they have to be more moderate in the next election and stop with the misogynist pro-life shit.[/QUOTE] 30 years of the southern strategy + the embracing of the tea party is coming back to bite them in the ass. the establishment pushed for moderation before, and failed, and now with the tea party it's even more difficult to get anything done without pissing off the base. if you've been paying attention to the conservative media, they're convinced that they don't need to change anything, they just need to sell the message better.
The way I see it, in the next 10 years the republicans are going to become much more radical as long as they stay close to the tea party, and because of this, I feel like they will eventually sign their own party's death warrant.
[QUOTE=VOSK;38382490]The way I see it, in the next 10 years the republicans are going to become much more radical as long as they stay close to the tea party, and because of this, I feel like they will eventually sign their own party's death warrant.[/QUOTE] That's not even close to whats going to happen.
[QUOTE=Buck.;38380927]Hehehe, Boehner. Why do people still call it obamacare though? Is there no better term for it?[/QUOTE] No better word for it.
Now we might actually get something done! ... who the fuck am I kidding? no we won't.
[QUOTE=VOSK;38382490]The way I see it, in the next 10 years the republicans are going to become much more radical as long as they stay close to the tea party, and because of this, I feel like they will eventually sign their own party's death warrant.[/QUOTE] If they do stick to the radical conservative base they will eventually die out. The Republican Party needs to transition towards the Democrats if they want to stay relevant. It's not hard either since the Democrats have already been moving towards them for decades.
having registered to vote as a democrat I can say: we showed them.
Well, the healthcare legislation will cost my dad his "Cadillac Plan", so that is awesome, so we will have to pay more for the public option. Yay! C'est la vie en aux Etats-Unis.
People getting healthcare who couldn't before is great and everything, but as a college student who will have to get a job soon it concerns me quite a bit. Because businesses are being forced to give benefits, they're opening less full time positions and dropping full time employees to part time. Plus, insurance companies' policies are turning to crap because of it so now you either have good healthcare and have to pay a fine or you have terrible healthcare and live with it. It's a huge blow to the job market for sure.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;38384527]C'est la vie en les États-Unis.[/QUOTE] Fixed. (Or should I say corrigé?)
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;38384611]People getting healthcare who couldn't before is great and everything, but as a college student who will have to get a job soon it concerns me quite a bit. Because businesses are being forced to give benefits, they're opening less full time positions and dropping full time employees to part time. Plus, insurance companies' policies are turning to crap because of it so now you either have good healthcare and have to pay a fine or you have terrible healthcare and live with it. It's a huge blow to the job market for sure.[/QUOTE] Well blame Republicans for neutering the free healthcare idea. Democrats had to make compromises, which the Republicans still disliked.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;38384527]Well, the healthcare legislation will cost my dad his "Cadillac Plan", so that is awesome, so we will have to pay more for the public option. Yay! C'est la vie en aux Etats-Unis.[/QUOTE] Uh the public option was scrapped in 2009 and never made it into law
[QUOTE=Van-man;38384681]Well blame Republicans for neutering the free healthcare idea. Democrats had to make compromises, which the Republicans still disliked.[/QUOTE] We've done such a terrible job at managing the few benefit programs we have (social security, medicare, etc.) that I don't believe for a second the government could work a full, free healthcare system successfully.
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