• A day after Israeli leader meets Kerry to start peacetalks and discuss Iran, Israel announces new se
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[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/a-day-after-leader-meets-kerry-israel-says-it-will-soon-announce-new-settlement-construction/2013/10/24/c371fe1c-3cd9-11e3-b0e7-716179a2c2c7_story.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...2c7_story.html[/URL] [quote]JERUSALEM — A senior Israeli official said Thursday that his country will announce new plans for West Bank settlement construction in the coming months, a day after Israel’s leader held lengthy talks with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met in Rome for seven hours with Kerry to discuss Iran’s nuclear program and also recently restarted peace talks. The Palestinians consider settlements a major obstacle to establishing a state that includes the West Bank and east Jerusalem, territories Israel captured from Jordan in the 1967 war. Israel has since built dozens of settlements that are now home to about 550,000 Israelis. The Americans typically criticize any new settlement construction plans, calling them unhelpful to peace efforts. ... The Palestinians refused to negotiate with Netanyahu for nearly five years, demanding that he halt construction of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem. With Netanyahu refusing to stop the construction, the Palestinians reluctantly returned to the negotiating table under heavy American pressure, but remain deeply skeptical about the Israeli leader.[/quote] This is how Israel negotiates.
When the "negotiations" are done, Palestine won't exist
[QUOTE=person11;42648767]When the "negotiations" are done, Palestine won't exist[/QUOTE] I doubt that the neighboring arab countries would let that happen without a fight, though. The prospect of a war there, again, is a cause for big concern, especially considering how a few countries in the Middle East are a tinderbox right now.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;42648775]I doubt that the neighboring arab countries would let that happen without a fight, though. The prospect of a war there, again, is a cause for big concern, especially considering how a few countries in the Middle East are a tinderbox right now.[/QUOTE] Israel has been at war with it's neighbors many times before and all those times Israel won, I don't see how it would be any different now.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;42648858]Israel has been at war with it's neighbors many times before and all those times Israel won, I don't see how it would be any different now.[/QUOTE] With the neighbors yes - with the entireity of the Arab World backing Palestine, no. Depending one which sect most Arab countries swing to, Shia or Sunni, "Palestine vs. The evil Zionist conspiracy etc,etc" is a big rallying point that rebel and government organizations use to gather funds and weaponry for the Palestinians to begin with. Should it escalate, things could go to whole new levels of scary. This is the one very possible scenario where a nuclear weapon could be used, especially in the hands of religious fanatics looking for a final solution of their own. While it is unlikely any single country would commit economic and diplomatic suicide by being the one to pull the trigger, terrorist organizations have no such qualms.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;42648911] This is the one very possible scenario where a nuclear weapon could be used, especially in the hands of religious fanatics looking for a final solution of their own. While it is unlikely any single country would commit economic and diplomatic suicide by being the one to pull the trigger, terrorist organizations have no such qualms.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, the Tel Aviv Massacre. 780000 dead instantly, another 600000 over the next week from radiation.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;42648775]I doubt that the neighboring arab countries would let that happen without a fight, though. The prospect of a war there, again, is a cause for big concern, especially considering how a few countries in the Middle East are a tinderbox right now.[/QUOTE] Many middle eastern nations could care less about the Palestinians themselves. They care more about thwarting Israel than helping Palestine. Heck, in the 1948 war, they all invaded for a land grab for themselves, not liberate the Palestinians.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;42648775]I doubt that the neighboring arab countries would let that happen without a fight, though. The prospect of a war there, again, is a cause for big concern, especially considering how a few countries in the Middle East are a tinderbox right now.[/QUOTE] Israel can beat the shit out of every country they neighbor because ther americans give them everything
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42649041]Many middle eastern nations could care less about the Palestinians themselves. They care more about thwarting Israel than helping Palestine. Heck, in the 1948 war, they all invaded for a land grab for themselves, not liberate the Palestinians.[/QUOTE] And to drive that point further, ever since the PLO became recognised as the legitimate representative of Palestinians all other Arab/Muslim countries have basically been absolved of having to represent them
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;42652068]Israel can beat the shit out of every country they neighbor because ther americans give them everything[/QUOTE] It would depend on how coordinated their neighbors get. So far, every war Israel has been in, the Arab alliance against them have never worked well together. Though I don't see them working well in the future either, with a revolution in Egypt and a major civil war in Syria. The only Arab nation that's still "left intact" so to speak is Jordan, and they've got a decent relationship with Israel right now.
If they are just going to pretend the more or less permanently occupied territories are sovereign Israeli territory they should at least offer the occupied population citizenship. It's a shame that doesn't conform to the racist and nationalist paradigm. Gotta have that lebensraum I guess.
Well typical of Israel, really wonder what made the religious extremists think that they have the right to be doing what they are doing. Right now they are not any better than that of the Nazis of Wold War 2.
[QUOTE=rsa1988;42653204]Well typical of Israel, really wonder what made the religious extremists think that they have the right to be doing what they are doing. Right now they are not any better than that of the Nazis of Wold War 2.[/QUOTE] Well, at least they're not actively putting Palestinians into gas chambers. They're really bad with this, but they're not [I]as bad as Nazis.[/I]
[QUOTE=rsa1988;42653204]Well typical of Israel, really wonder what made the religious extremists think that they have the right to be doing what they are doing. Right now they are not any better than that of the Nazis of Wold War 2.[/QUOTE] They have the full support of the united states, they can do whatever they want.
Israel doesn't want peace. They want land. Just draw a line in the sand, call it the Israeli-Palestinian border and be done with it. Stop being messed up, Israel. It's not right.
[QUOTE=Benjimon007;42654966]Israel doesn't want peace. They want land. Just draw a line in the sand, call it the Israeli-Palestinian border and be done with it. Stop being messed up, Israel. It's not right.[/QUOTE] They did that. Problem is, both sides claim both sides of the line as all of theirs. Not to mention, where the lines are drawn aren't exactly fair and balanced with resources and population.
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;42652068]Israel can beat the shit out of every country they neighbor because ther americans give them everything[/QUOTE] Well Israel has severely pissed of Turkey in the past few years, if Turkey (which has surprisingly vast economic and military resources) were drawn into the anti-Israel crowd, it could surely tip the balance of power against Israel. That doesn't go without mentioning that Turkish politics are getting increasingly extreme.
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