• Israel summons ambassadors for dressing down over UN resolution
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/Mh3TUGn.jpg[/img] [QUOTE]Benjamin Netanyahu has summoned the ambassadors of all UN security council members which backed a resolution condemning Israeli settlements to “personally reprimand” them. According to Israeli media reports the ambassadors summoned on Sunday for the Israeli prime minister’s dressing down include all those from security council members with permanent missions in Israel: Russia, China, Japan, Ukraine, France, Britain, Angola, Egypt, Uruguay and Spain. The resolution, which passed on Friday with 14 votes in support and only the US abstaining, condemned Jewish settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories as constituting a flagrant violation of international law. It also demanded that states “distinguish, in their relevant dealings, between the territory of the state of Israel and the territories occupied since 1967”. Netanyahu also accused the US president, Barack Obama, of directly coordinating the resolution at the morning cabinet meeting. “We have no doubt that the Obama administration initiated it, stood behind it, coordinated its versions and insisted upon its passage,” he said. Washington has denied this. The rebuke came as Israel continued to retaliate against countries that supported the motion, cutting aid to Senegal, cancelling forthcoming official visits – including by the Ukrainian prime minister – and recalling two of its ambassadors. Netanyahu also ordered the Israeli foreign ministry to “re-evaluate all of our ties to the UN within a month”. The Obama administration has grown increasingly frustrated with settlement building in the West Bank, which Israel has occupied for nearly 50 years. There have been growing warnings that settlement expansion is fast eroding the possibility of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the basis of years of negotiations. Settlements are built on land the Palestinians view as part of their future state and seen as illegal under international law. “We cannot stand in the way of this resolution as we seek to preserve a chance of attaining our longstanding objective of two states living side by side in peace and security,” said Samantha Power, the US ambassador to the UN. “The settlement problem has gotten so much worse that it is now putting at risk the very viability of that two-state solution.” After the vote, Israel’s justice minister, Ayelet Shaked, of the far-right Jewish Home said Israel needed “to talk about annexation” of the West Bank. About 430,000 Israeli settlers currently live in the West Bank, and a further 200,000 Israelis live in annexed East Jerusalem, which Palestinians see as the capital of their future state.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/25/israel-summons-ambassadors-un-resolution-benjamin-netanyahu"]Source[/URL].
Boo hoo Netanyahu, keep bitching
Fuck off you prick. Stop expulsing people from where they live to build homes fro settlers. Hypocrites
The Great irony of Israel getting controlled by far-right wingers.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51583828]Stop bitching and annex it already. Provide some clarity to the situation.[/QUOTE] the problem is that if Israel annexes it, it's no longer a Jewish nation, the rate of Jews to Palestinians goes down so much that Israel would become a Palestinian nation in a few generations according to Religious Zionists
What if Israel just stops participating in th UN, along with the US decreasing funding?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51584492]What if Israel just stops participating in th UN, along with the US decreasing funding?[/QUOTE] Trump is crazy enough as it is. I'm scared to think what a nuclear armed country like Israel might do once their biggest ally tells them to gargle kosher sausage.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51584732]Absolutely nothing. Nuclear "weapons" are deterrents, not actual weapons.[/QUOTE] I assume hiroshima was an example of deterrence working in practice then? [QUOTE=Svinnik;51584078]the problem is that if Israel annexes it, it's no longer a Jewish nation, the rate of Jews to Palestinians goes down so much that Israel would become a Palestinian nation in a few generations according to Religious Zionists[/QUOTE] well, it can't go on expanding forever
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51584818]I assume hiroshima was an example of deterrence working in practice then?[/QUOTE] That's a really dumb comparison. Deterrence wasn't an idea then. The atom bomb was basically a surprise, there was nothing like it before, and nothing like it has been used in war since. The total destruction caused by the A-Bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki [I]have[/I] deterred further usage of atomic/nuclear weapons, especially with the knowledge that modern weapons would be dozens of times more destructive. [editline]26th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51584818]well, it can't go on expanding forever[/QUOTE] Israel will continue to expand as they see fit because they feel entitled to that land and no western international power is going to bother putting their foot down. It's a textbook example of expansionism and appeasement.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51584818]I assume hiroshima was an example of deterrence working in practice then? well, it can't go on expanding forever[/QUOTE] It won't. There's tons of reasons why but Israel is not interested in expanding into Jordan/Syria.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51584078]the problem is that if Israel annexes it, it's no longer a Jewish nation, the rate of Jews to Palestinians goes down so much that Israel [B]would become a Palestinian nation[/B] in a few generations according to Religious Zionists[/QUOTE] I don't see the problem
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51587221]The only problem I see is genetics since Israel has the means to integrate bad parts of Palestinians "in a few generations" like they did with the remaining Palestinians after 1948 [editline]27th December 2016[/editline] Being Jewish is ancestral, so yeah, genetics[/QUOTE] There's no ancestry in being Jewish as it's a religion not a race. "Genetics" is not an excuse to displace people
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51587251]It passes down from the mother. It isnt. Never said it was. Tried to approach it from the "far right" point of view. There are conversions, but the ones accepted by the people we are discussing here are rare, [B]and it is not realistic to expect all Palestinians to become Jewish. They can all become Israelites, but not Jewish.[/B] [editline]27th December 2016[/editline] What I mean: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F[/url][/QUOTE] I get your viewpoint but I think the better alternative if there ever was a one-state solution is that the control will be restored to the Palestinians and that the Israelis/Jews can be permitted to become citizens of Palestine instead.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51587395]That is not OK considering we cant really trust the Palestinian govt or people with that. It is naive to think otherwise.[/QUOTE] With that kind of thinking, we never will. It's the same excuse given by Zionist apologists that somehow Israel is better at governing, but the problem with that mentality is that the Palestinians never had that opportunity because it was taken from them, so there's no comparison there
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51587438]You dont have to be a Zionist to look at the Palestinian demographic and their elected officials and find it naive that all that would suddenly be fixed once the walls go down and Palestine and Settlements are merged Israel is definitely the better state here. They have horseshit as well but not on scale.[/QUOTE] Better state at the expense of the genocide that's happened and is happening to Palestinians. I don't claim that everything will get better right away, but it's a start
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51584492]What if Israel just stops participating in th UN, along with the US decreasing funding?[/QUOTE] 1) trump can't withdraw US funding. 2) the US looses its seat at the UN if we stop funding, which would be hella ironic since its hosted in the US 3) if Israel has a hissy fit and leaves the UN (which they won't since trump is incoming) they loose any say at the table
[QUOTE=Sableye;51587564]1) trump can't withdraw US funding. 2) the US looses its seat at the UN if we stop funding, which would be hella ironic since its hosted in the US 3) if Israel has a hissy fit and leaves the UN (which they won't since trump is incoming) they loose any say at the table[/QUOTE] 1) Why can they not? The Republicans control every facet of Government essentially in the US now. 2) They don't. I'm talking about the funding they give ontop of the required membership funds. 3) That's true, but I doubt it really matters at this point. Israel is going further and further down this path. I don't think they particularly care about the UN anymore, they barely have a say - look at all the anti-Israel motions compared to any other country, and yet the standard of life in Israel is good. They may see issue with sanctions though, but I doubt they would because I would be surprised if the EU / UK / US sanctioned them.
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