"Obamacare" will not reach 1/2 of low wage workers.
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[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/health/millions-of-poor-are-left-uncovered-by-health-law.html?_r=0[/url]
[QUOTE]A sweeping national effort to extend health coverage to millions of Americans will leave out two-thirds of the poor blacks and single mothers and more than half of the low-wage workers who do not have insurance, the very kinds of people that the program was intended to help, according to an analysis of census data by The New York Times.
Because they live in states largely controlled by Republicans that have declined to participate in a vast expansion of Medicaid, the medical insurance program for the poor, they are among the eight million Americans who are impoverished, uninsured and ineligible for help. The federal government will pay for the expansion through 2016 and no less than 90 percent of costs in later years.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]“The irony is that these states that are rejecting Medicaid expansion — many of them Southern — are the very places where the concentration of poverty and lack of health insurance are the most acute,” said Dr. H. Jack Geiger, a founder of the community health center model. “It is their populations that have the highest burden of illness and costs to the entire health care system.”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The decision not to expand Medicaid will also hit the working poor. Claretha Briscoe earns just under $11,000 a year making fried chicken and other fast food at a convenience store in Hollandale, Miss., too much to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to get subsidies on the new health exchange. She had a heart attack in 2002 that a local hospital treated as part of its charity care program.
“I skip months on my blood pressure pills,” said Ms. Briscoe, 48, who visited the Good Samaritan Health Center last week because she was having chest pains. “I buy them when I can afford them.”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Poor people excluded from the Medicaid expansion will not be subject to fines for lacking coverage. In all, about 14 million eligible Americans are uninsured and living in poverty, the Times analysis found.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]About half of poor and uninsured Hispanics live in states that are expanding Medicaid. But Texas, which has a large Hispanic population, rejected the expansion. Gladys Arbila, a housekeeper in Houston who earns $17,000 a year and supports two children, is under the poverty line and therefore not eligible for new subsidies. But she makes too much to qualify for Medicaid under the state’s rules. She recently spent 36 hours waiting in the emergency room for a searing pain in her back.
“We came to this country, and we are legal and we work really hard,” said Ms. Arbila, 45, who immigrated to the United States 12 years ago, and whose son is a soldier in Afghanistan. “Why we don’t have the same opportunities as the others?”[/QUOTE]
your republicans REALLY hate the poor.
Many states can't pay their bills as it is. I can't imagine a large increase in Medicare costs is going to help that situation.
The feds only help pay for the expansion temporarily and then the states have to take on the full burden.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42407285]Many states can't pay their bills as it is. I can't imagine a large increase in Medicare costs is going to help that situation.
The feds only help pay for the expansion temporarily and then the states have to take on the full burden.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/10/03/millions_of_working_poor_left_out_of_obamacare_how_long_can_republicans.html[/url]
i thought the money was entirely given by the federal goverment at the start, and the states would pay very little.
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[url]http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/medicaid-and-women/medicaid-expansion-and-women/[/url]
How does that corporate shaft feel up your ass, Texas?
Well...fuck. I just hope when I enroll in the healthcare my job offers it doesn't rip apart my paycheck too badly...
Fuck you Texas...
[QUOTE=sgman91;42407285]Many states can't pay their bills as it is. I can't imagine a large increase in Medicare costs is going to help that situation.
The feds only help pay for the expansion temporarily and then the states have to take on the full burden.[/QUOTE]
States don't ever have to drop anything more than poop change for decades on this. They're just being shit dicks about it.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42407285]Many states can't pay their bills as it is. I can't imagine a large increase in Medicare costs is going to help that situation.
The feds only help pay for the expansion temporarily and then the states have to take on the full burden.[/QUOTE]
The federal government will pay for 100% the first two years then scale down to 90% over the next four where it will remain according to the ACA.
[QUOTE]A sweeping national effort to extend health coverage to millions of Americans will leave out two-thirds of the poor blacks and single mothers and more than half of the low-wage workers who do not have insurance, the very kinds of people that the program was intended to help, according to an analysis of census data by The New York Times.[/QUOTE]
This seems kind of old-fashion.
I don't think anyone expected Obamacare to be the perfect end-all solution for health care.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;42407998]I don't think anyone expected Obamacare to be the perfect end-all solution for health care.[/QUOTE]
It certainly works better then the current one, where you know helping people is more important that just lining your pockets.
Kinda defeats the purpose when you have childish politicians Opting out of stuff.
The US is such a strange country....
This really defeats the whole purpose of Obamacare, doesn't it?
This shit sucks, I don't have insurance right now because of all this stuff coming into play now.
Not to mention all the shit where workers are being cut to half time, and extras being hired so that companies (and schools especially) don't need to pay extra for healthcare.
This is disgraceful. How can you be a nation be considered modern when it does not provide for the health of the people?
[quote=The Constitution]We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, [b]promote the general Welfare[/b], and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.[/quote]
How is letting sick or injured people go without healthcare promoting the general welfare?
Don't think the federal government has the power to do so?
[quote=The Constitution]The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and [b]provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States[/b]; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;[/quote]
Think again.
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Not to mention all the shit where workers are being cut to half time, and extras being hired so that companies (and schools especially) don't need to pay extra for healthcare.[/QUOTE]
This has yet to be shown.
[editline]4th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Explosions;42408808] - Good points -[/QUOTE]
I agree, but the problem why its not happening entirely is because its left in the power of Congress and as we all now know too well, congress is more useless than soggy paper
Including me and my family because fuck Alabama! Help poor people? Fuck that, build a new highway extension no one wants that will be massively expensive and take 30 years to complete!
[QUOTE=Protocol7;42407998]I don't think anyone expected Obamacare to be the perfect end-all solution for health care.[/QUOTE]
There is no be all end all, but at least it isn't the same as the current system in the US. Laughable compared to other western countries.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42409573]Including me and my family because fuck [b]Alabama[/b]! Help poor people? Fuck that, build a new highway extension no one wants that will be massively expensive and take 30 years to complete![/QUOTE]
well there's your problem
[QUOTE=Explosions;42409640]well there's your problem[/QUOTE]We've lived in the same house since I was born. We're poor, moving out isn't really an option.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42409573]Including me and my family because fuck Alabama! Help poor people? Fuck that, build a new highway extension no one wants that will be massively expensive and take 30 years to complete![/QUOTE]
Where in Alabama are you? I'm in huntsville! :D
It really is this bad. Our state is shocking.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;42409746]Where in Alabama are you? I'm in huntsville! :D
It really is this bad. Our state is shocking.[/QUOTE]Centerpoint/Pinson/Chalkville area, just north of Birmingham. My home is literally a block away from the edge of Centerpoint jurisdiction, but also about 3/4 of a mile from the edge of Pinson. So we're in a tiny sliver of unincorporated Jefferson County.
georgia pulled it medicare support after the bill passed, saying that its "too expensive due to obamacare". sad part is that everyone here is believing that bullshit and all the fucking propaganda against it because they believe the local news stations rather than the actual bill it's self.
whenever i posted anything like 'republicans are scum' or 'fuck republicans' or 'republicans should be fired out of a cannon' people would always be like "no, don't be partisan. what about the democrats, they're just as bad. wow, bias much?" and id like to take this as an opportunity to remind people that its really really important that republicans be slowly lowered into a shark tank like in a james bond movie, (for the future of our children, of course)
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;42410988]whenever i posted anything like 'republicans are scum' or 'fuck republicans' or 'republicans should be fired out of a cannon' people would always be like "no, don't be partisan. what about the democrats, they're just as bad. wow, bias much?" and id like to take this as an opportunity to remind people that its really really important that republicans be slowly lowered into a shark tank like in a james bond movie, (for the future of our children, of course)[/QUOTE]Its just conservatives trying to save face by trying to appear reasonable through an argument to moderation. Saying "Well, both sides must be equally bad." When at the end of the day, no, they're not. This doesn't mean the Democratic party is great and wonderful, but their shittiness pales in comparison to that of the GOP.
Thanks Illinois, you're corrupt as shit but at least you're corrupt on my side.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;42408537]This shit sucks, I don't have insurance right now because of all this stuff coming into play now.
Not to mention all the shit where workers are being cut to half time, and extras being hired so that companies (and schools especially) don't need to pay extra for healthcare.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why companies are even doing that [i]already[/i]. The employer mandate doesn't kick in until 2015.
[QUOTE=areolop;42409137]This has yet to be shown.[/QUOTE]
Uh, a lot of businesses in my area used to give employees approx. 38 hours a week or so, now employees of some of these businesses are lucky to get 28 hours a week, I have a few family members who are affected by this, and it's pretty shitty.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;42411298]Uh, a lot of businesses in my area used to give employees approx. 38 hours a week or so, now employees of some of these businesses are lucky to get 28 hours a week, I have a few family members who are affected by this, and it's pretty shitty.[/QUOTE]
And you assume Obamacare was to blame? Even if some employers cited it as the cause, I highly doubt that there's some conspiracy or collusion between all your local businesses.
[QUOTE=Explosions;42411354]And you assume Obamacare was to blame? Even if some employers cited it as the cause, I highly doubt that there's some conspiracy or collusion between all your local businesses.[/QUOTE]
Businesses exist to make money, not to be charitable or lose money. If the business owner thinks that obamacare is going to cut into their bottom line (which it will, sharply) then they're going to do everything they can to avoid having to pay for insurance for their employees.
Thousands of businesses have come to this conclusion, which is why you see the widespread adoption by low wage paying businesses cutting hours to their workers to under 30 hours (and usually under 25 hours for a buffer.) It's cheaper for them to hire more workers with limited hours than it is to pay for health insurance for a smaller number of workers.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;42411852]Businesses exist to make money, not to be charitable or lose money. If the business owner thinks that obamacare is going to cut into their bottom line [b](which it will, sharply)[/b] then they're going to do everything they can to avoid having to pay for insurance for their employees.
Thousands of businesses have come to this conclusion, which is why you see the widespread adoption by low wage paying businesses cutting hours to their workers to under 30 hours (and usually under 25 hours for a buffer.) It's cheaper for them to hire more workers with limited hours than it is to pay for health insurance for a smaller number of workers.[/QUOTE]
ha
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;42411266]I don't know why companies are even doing that [i]already[/i]. The employer mandate doesn't kick in until 2015.[/QUOTE]
Well, true, but that is year they will be fined if they haven't reached a decision. So in a sense, the wheels are in motion.
[editline]4th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Explosions;42411876]ha[/QUOTE]
Well it is after all, that pretty much is the basis of capitalism. A business is there to profit from whatever they sell.
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