Most Undocumented Immigrants Live In Areas That Trump Lost - Polidicks

[quote] Donald Trump ran for president on [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/us/politics/transcript-trump-immigration-speech.html"]a promise[/URL] to crack down on illegal immigration. But most of the people who are in the U.S. illegally live in places that voted for his opponent, Hillary Clinton. More than 2 million of the nation’s roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants live in just two metropolitan areas, New York and Los Angeles, according to a [URL="http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/09/us-metro-areas-unauthorized-immigrants/"]new analysis[/URL] of 2014 Census Bureau data from the Pew Research Center.[URL="https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-undocumented-immigrants-live-in-areas-that-trump-lost/#fn-1"][SUP]1[/SUP][/URL] Voters in both cities supported Clinton by overwhelming margins. Most of the remaining 9 million undocumented immigrants are concentrated in large urban areas that likewise voted for Clinton over Trump. (Overall, Clinton won 17 of the top 20 metro areas for undocumented immigrants, by an average of more than 20 percentage points.)[URL="https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-undocumented-immigrants-live-in-areas-that-trump-lost/#fn-2"][SUP]2[/SUP][/URL][/quote] Source: [url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-undocumented-immigrants-live-in-areas-that-trump-lost/[/url] Putting aside conspiracies about illegal voting. The fact that places "suffering" the brunt of illegal immigration didn't like his ideas suggests that uh. perhaps the problem was greatly hyped up and overblown?

Yeah, I don't exactly see illegal immigrants flocking to GOP strongholds to begin with, I think it's just obvious that immigrants are going to move to places that are okay with them.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51804216]Hyped up and overblown? Or, uh, maybe it's just the fact that all these sanctuary cities are run by liberals that would rather protect illegal immigrants. Of course they voted for Clinton, the cities were already run by democratic policies.[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is, in the long run, most illegal immigrants are not really threatening jobs in the communities of Trump voters who voted to ramp up efforts to find and kick them out. Thanks for making the case for the immigration crackdown and particularly the Muslim ban being supported primarily by xenophobia instead of rational concerns for their community. Voters who don't live around illegal immigrants: "Build the Wall! Deport them! End sanctuary cities! FOREIGNERS GET OUT REEEEEE" Voters who actually live around illegal immigrants: "Nah, man, let them stay."

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51804237]So what you're saying is, in the long run, most illegal immigrants are not really threatening jobs in the communities of Trump voters who voted to ramp up efforts to find and kick them out. Thanks for making the case for the immigration crackdown and particularly the Muslim ban being supported primarily by xenophobia instead of rational concerns for their community. Voters who don't live around illegal immigrants: "Build the Wall! Deport them! End sanctuary cities! FOREIGNERS GET OUT REEEEEE" Voters who actually live around illegal immigrants: "Nah, man, let them stay."[/QUOTE] "But they're stealing mah jerbs!" "Well, apparently not because they don't live near you. Going to have to look at actual causes like automation, companies offshoring, etc."

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51804237]So what you're saying is, in the long run, most illegal immigrants are not really threatening jobs in the communities of Trump voters who voted to ramp up efforts to find and kick them out. Thanks for making the case for the immigration crackdown and particularly the Muslim ban being supported primarily by xenophobia instead of rational concerns for their community. Voters who don't live around illegal immigrants: "Build the Wall! Deport them! End sanctuary cities! FOREIGNERS GET OUT REEEEEE" Voters who actually live around illegal immigrants: "Nah, man, let them stay."[/QUOTE] The most bigoted people are not really around those they are bigoted against, else they would find a common ground with them and not be bigoted anymore.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51804287]The most bigoted people are not really around those they are bigoted against, else they would find a common ground with them and not be bigoted anymore.[/QUOTE] I dunno about the [i]most[/i] bigoted people, but the most ignorantly bigoted people certainly. The same applies across the political divide too -- a lot of [i]average[/i] conservatives and liberals are OK people too (even if they sometimes have terrible opinions), and it's all the easier to forget that if you cloister yourself in Tumblr or /r/the_donald and never meet your 'enemies' in real life. It's hard to be an extremist when you actually meet and talk to your opponents and they aren't very extreme themselves...

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51804237]So what you're saying is, in the long run, most illegal immigrants are not really threatening jobs in the communities of Trump voters who voted to ramp up efforts to find and kick them out. Thanks for making the case for the immigration crackdown and particularly the Muslim ban being supported primarily by xenophobia instead of rational concerns for their community. Voters who don't live around illegal immigrants: "Build the Wall! Deport them! End sanctuary cities! FOREIGNERS GET OUT REEEEEE" Voters who actually live around illegal immigrants: "Nah, man, let them stay."[/QUOTE] Sweet, now I can move to and work in california any time I want.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51804450]Sweet, now I can move to and work in california any time I want.[/QUOTE] The point isn't that jobs are dime a dozen, but rather that immigration doesn't really change things in a meaningful way. Also don't forget that "jobs" isn't the sole thing anti-immigrant people bring up. Just listen to Trump's "bad hombres" rhetoric. I mean for fuck's sake he literally tried to ban immigration from 7 Muslim countries because ~terrorism~. If there's any place where all those things are supposed to take the biggest toll, it's the ones with high amounts of immigrants. And the supposedly "disastrous" effects of immigration doesn't change the mind of people who live there everyday, which it would if things were as extreme as people claim it is.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51804450]Sweet, now I can move to and work in california any time I want.[/QUOTE] Because immigration is that simple right?

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51804216]Hyped up and overblown? Or, uh, maybe it's just the fact that all these sanctuary cities are run by liberals that would rather protect illegal immigrants. Of course they voted for Clinton, the cities were already run by democratic policies.[/QUOTE] I live in a "sanctuary city" and it's literally just our police force got burnt for not handling some deportation properly so we declared that the local police force won't assist with it. It's not a huge place and they justify basically that they just don't have the manpower to be responsible for it.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51804237]So what you're saying is, in the long run, most illegal immigrants are not really threatening jobs in the communities of Trump voters who voted to ramp up efforts to find and kick them out. Thanks for making the case for the immigration crackdown and particularly the Muslim ban being supported primarily by xenophobia instead of rational concerns for their community. Voters who don't live around illegal immigrants: "Build the Wall! Deport them! End sanctuary cities! FOREIGNERS GET OUT REEEEEE" Voters who actually live around illegal immigrants: "Nah, man, let them stay."[/QUOTE] Let's actually read the article. [quote]But undocumented immigrants aren’t necessarily city-dwellers: In most metro areas for which estimates were available, a majority of undocumented immigrants lived in the suburbs or outlying cities, not in the largest city.[/quote] [quote]Still, the Pew report shows that there are undocumented immigrants in virtually every corner of the country. Pew estimates there are about 20,000 undocumented immigrants in Boise, Idaho, for example, and perhaps 5,000 in and around Buffalo, New York.[/quote] Unsurprisingly the reality is a little too nuanced for your on-the-nose 'clearly nobody who voted for Trump ever interacts with illegal immigrants, they just hate hypothetical foreigners' theory to hold up. I mean, you know, people living in NYC or LA who rely on public transit don't have to worry about getting in a traffic accident with an illegal immigrant in an unregistered car. Nor do they really have to worry as much about their inner-city, white-collar professions getting pushed out by illegal immigrants. In fact, according to the article illegal immigrants tend not to actually live in the city, so those city-dwellers who decide the vote aren't actually interacting with illegal immigrants in the first place. A farmer in Boise or a factory worker in Michigan? Yeah, maybe illegal immigrants are more of a personal issue for them, and maybe they actually have had personal experience with illegal immigrants. I won't deny that a lot of anti-immigrant sentiment is motivated by bigotry but dude, this is a wholly brainless, circlejerky generalization on your part.