You can now drink in public in Manhattan without fear of arrest. Thank Black Lives Matter.
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Source: [URL]http://www.vox.com/2016/3/3/11153694/public-drinking-manhattan[/URL]
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[URL]http://www.vibe.com/2016/03/manhattan-public-drinking-law/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-police-get-new-discretion-over-minor-crimes-1456884530[/URL]
[URL]http://gizmodo.com/manhattan-just-quietly-decriminalized-public-drinking-1762285052[/URL]
[QUOTE]New Yorkers, rejoice — you will be able to drink in public in Manhattan without the fear of arrest or prosecution beginning on March 7.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]It's that last point that's particularly relevant here: Over the past few years, aggressive law enforcement tactics have come under increased scrutiny. Courts ruled against the now-reformed police tactic known as "stop and frisk" after data [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/13/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-stop-and-frisk-and-why-the-courts-shut-it-down/"]showed[/URL] it was largely used against minority New Yorkers. [URL="http://www.vox.com/2014/12/3/7327745/eric-garner-grand-jury-decision"]Eric Garner's death[/URL] and the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement put a new spotlight on how these tactics allowed police to target, abuse, and in some cases kill black residents in particular.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]These kinds of statistics fueled distrust toward police, making officers' jobs a lot harder and leading to tremendous protests like those led by the Black Lives Matter movement over the past couple of years. So New York officials decided to make serious changes — you can now drink in public in Manhattan without the fear of arrest.[/QUOTE]
Drunk Lives Matter
What is "in public" defined as in Manhattan? Drinking in outdoor bars? Indoors? That sounds very confusing.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49862888]What is "in public" defined as in Manhattan? Drinking in outdoor bars? Indoors? That sounds very confusing.[/QUOTE]
On the sidewalk, streets, etc......
soo when are they gonna do away with the unconstitutional stop and frisk bullshit?
I'm fairly sure you're meant to have a source for these things.
[QUOTE=Lium;49862935]I'm fairly sure you're meant to have a source for these things.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/you-can-no-longer-go-to-jail-in-manhattan-for-drinking-in-public[/URL]
[URL]http://www.vibe.com/2016/03/manhattan-public-drinking-law/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-police-get-new-discretion-over-minor-crimes-1456884530[/URL]
[URL]http://gizmodo.com/manhattan-just-quietly-decriminalized-public-drinking-1762285052[/URL]
[QUOTE=Lium;49862935]I'm fairly sure you're meant to have a source for these things.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.vox.com/2016/3/3/11153694/public-drinking-manhattan[/url]
Fixed the header too
:snip: merge
[QUOTE=Lium;49862935]I'm fairly sure you're meant to have a source for these things.[/QUOTE]
He needs to get a source but I can vouch for it, local eyewitness news reported it.
[QUOTE=cody8295;49862901]soo when are they gonna do away with the unconstitutional stop and frisk bullshit?[/QUOTE]
I'm still waiting for them to get rid of their stop and kiss program
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXXaj--a6-4[/media]
Good - there's zero reason for these types of laws other than classic American puritanism. I've drank on the streets in both England and Germany and it was wonderful. Progress.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49862888]What is "in public" defined as in Manhattan? Drinking in outdoor bars? Indoors? That sounds very confusing.[/QUOTE]
seems like in public places, so parks, sidewalks, on the street. Generally these laws were meant to target homeless people and the mentally ill anyways, so this is probably fine
NY is already a piss covered shithole anyways
[editline]3rd March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=cody8295;49862901]soo when are they gonna do away with the unconstitutional stop and frisk bullshit?[/QUOTE]
they got rid of that like last year sometime after the DoJ threatened legal action or something
Smirnoff Double Black Lives Matter.
What a great achievement for the black community.
[QUOTE]New Yorkers will not be arrested under charges for public consumption of alcohol, public urination, and poor subway behavior like walking in between cars or taking up more than one seat. Yes, public drinking and urination are still illegal and poor subway etiquette is still in bad taste, but now officials will not make arrests on any of these offenses unless it is “necessary for public safety reasons.”[/QUOTE]
Urinating and the subway and walking in between traffic should be discouraged with the threat of arrest. I feel as though BLM (?) is implying that black people do stuff like this more or something.
Instead of weakening the laws and law enforcement's ability to deal with such things I think there should be a bigger focus on the police forces themselves.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49863800]Urinating and the subway and walking in between traffic should be discouraged with the threat of arrest. I feel as though BLM (?) is implying that black people do stuff like this more or something.
Instead of weakening the laws and law enforcement's ability to deal with such things I think there should be a bigger focus on the police forces themselves.[/QUOTE]
Should you really get arrested for public urination? Are you really a threat to public order to the point that you need to be jailed for public urination? Or is it a crime that should result in a fine - because it's a nuisance, not a violent or necessarily disruptive action?
Attacking a person's property or their being is when you should be arrested. You're harming the public peace. Pissing in public? Carrying a bottle of beer around? Smoking a joint?
Arrest should not be the first resort to non-violent nuisance crimes that don't endanger anyone. Fines should be - it discourages people without immediately interrupting their livelihood. Get arrested, can't make it to work? Can't afford bail? Very good chance you lose your job or are forced into borrowing money to pay for your bail that you can't pay off in time. Now you have an impoverished, desperate person far more likely to commit property crime or violent crime in order to try to survive. It doesn't help anyone - discourage this shit with fines, not with arrests that can ruin livelihoods and encourage more extreme crime.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49862888]What is "in public" defined as in Manhattan? Drinking in outdoor bars? Indoors? That sounds very confusing.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pTlCtUMvjs[/media]
[QUOTE=sgman91;49863738]What a great achievement for the black community.[/QUOTE]
If you realize how badly broken windows policing disrupts and fucks up the black community, you wouldn't be saying such a smart-assed statement. Imagine how hard it would be for a black person with even a minor criminal record to get a job.
[QUOTE=axelord157;49863968]If you realize how badly broken windows policing disrupts and fucks up the black community, you wouldn't be saying such a smart-assed statement.[/QUOTE]
Oh please, a person who gets arrested for drinking in public is an idiot, not a victim, even if the law is over-zealous.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49863998]Oh please, a person who gets arrested for drinking in public is an idiot, not a victim, even if the law is over-zealous.[/QUOTE]
That may be true. But does arresting that idiot really help society in the long run?
As I understand it, that's the issue. It isn't that people who drink or urinate in public aren't doing anything wrong. It's that arresting them doesn't help the community.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49864026]That may be true. But does arresting that idiot really help society in the long run?
As I understand it, that's the issue. It isn't that people who drink or urinate in public aren't doing anything wrong. It's that arresting them doesn't help the community.[/QUOTE]
So... what, are we going to start fining the generally poor people who do these things? We'll just see a massive rise in warrants as people don't show up to court and/or fail to pay their fines. Nothing will change in the big picture.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49863998]Oh please, a person who gets arrested for drinking in public is an idiot, not a victim, even if the law is over-zealous.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing wrong with drinking in public unless you're so drunk you're distubing the peace. Is a man not entitled to the brewski his brow sweat allowed him to buy and consume? Do you think people who piss in public should end up on sex offender lists because they're idiots "even if the law is over-zealous?"
Read Isak's post, he explained it very well.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49863998]Oh please, a person who gets arrested for drinking in public is an idiot, not a victim, even if the law is over-zealous.[/QUOTE]
Nobody here is saying pissing in public is okay - we're saying that getting arrested for pissing in public is unnecessary when there are other less extreme ways to dissuade people from pissing in public. Fines are how these types of misdemeanors should be handled.
[QUOTE=axelord157;49864048]There is nothing wrong with drinking in public unless you're so drunk you're distubing the peace. Is a man not entitled to the brewski his brow sweat allowed him to buy and consume? Do you think people who piss in public should end up on sex offender lists because they're idiots "even if the law is over-zealous?"
Read Isak's post, he explained it very well.[/QUOTE]
Like I said in my original response, I'm not even against the change. Arresting people for those minor offenses probably is over-zealous. That wasn't the point.
You clearly attacked on the basis of these types of arrests victimising the black community, which I responded to. These people getting arrest, whoever they are, are not victims.
[editline]3rd March 2016[/editline]
Oh, and the sex offender thing is just stupid. Of course convicting someone of something they didn't do is wrong. Everyone would agree with that. It's a totally different issue.
[editline]3rd March 2016[/editline]
Also, after reading the actual release from the district attorney it seems this is being totally misrepresented. The only change is that officers no longer have to arrest people who ALREADY have a court summons warrant (meaning they didn't show up for a previous summons) when they're cited for one of these minor crimes. Other than those cases it was already up to the discretion of the individual officer whether to arrest or issue a summons, and that isn't changing at all. Officers can still arrest anyone they want doing these things.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49864095]Like I said in my original response, I'm not even against the change. Arresting people for those minor offenses probably is over-zealous. That wasn't the point.
You clearly attacked on the basis of these types of arrests victimising the black community, which I responded to. These people getting arrest, whoever they are, are not victims.
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They're not victims because they don't live up to your standard???
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;49864176]They're not victims because they don't live up to your standard???[/QUOTE]
They're not victims because they're actively choosing to do something that is both against the law and totally unnecessary.
Would I like to own an "assault weapon" in California? Of course! Would I be an idiot if I bought one even though I knew it was against California law? Yes! The law being a stupid one doesn't change that.
You know I never really got how public urination laws worked, I mean technically if the government doesnt have public washrooms and private places don't have to allow you to use theirs, where are you supposed to piss?
They should change it to just indecent exposure, if youre behind a bush off the highway taking a piss and I can't see it I dont really care.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;49864214]You know I never really got how public urination laws worked, I mean technically if the government doesnt have public washrooms and private places don't have to allow you to use theirs, where are you supposed to piss?
They should change it to just indecent exposure, if youre behind a bush off the highway taking a piss and I can't see it I dont really care.[/QUOTE]
No one gets arrested for urinating on the side of a highway behind a bush. Generally, public urination becomes a problem in urban areas where people will urinate on buildings, in alleyways, etc. It smells and makes a city disgusting if enough people are doing it.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49864185]They're not victims because they're actively choosing to do something that is both against the law and totally unnecessary.
Would I like to own an "assault weapon" in California? Of course! Would I be an idiot if I bought one even though I knew it was against California law? Yes! The law being a stupid one doesn't change that.[/QUOTE]
The public intoxication laws are subjectively enforced on minorities, due to the quite well documented racism in police. Secondly, this should be at worst a minor offence, if one at all. They are victims if they are unfairly restricted by law. You're just victim blaming. They shouldn't HAVE to obey this law in the first place.
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