• Another thread about Disney.
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You might remember me when I made a disastrous thread about how Disney make all of the same movies. Now this one, is actually true, they are making ridiculous amounts of movies, for example this year, this are the releases: [i]Anaganaga O Dheerudu Tron: Legacy (It was released REALLY near the end of the year. So I'm gonna put it here). Tangled (That was released near the end too). Tinker Bell and the Mysterious Woods Mars Needs Moms Prom Hop Pirates of the Carribean: Stranger Tides Cars 2 Winnie the Pooh Spy Kids 4: All the Time in the World The Muppets National Treasure 3[/i] Don't you think it's a bit, much? And from what I've seen from Tangled and PatF the expectations didn't meet up to the movies. I haven't seen Tron, but it I've heard its good. Don't you think it's a bit stupid that Disney's shitting thirteen movies out of their asses? Just for money I'm guessing? What do you guys think?
[QUOTE=tommofandan;28634262]Just for money I'm guessing?[/QUOTE] for what other reason would a company be making movies?
[QUOTE=Ghostwork;28634313]for what other reason would a company be making movies?[/QUOTE] For the enjoyment of the audience? Fair enough, for money, but thirteen movies in a year? Thats more than one every month.
I Like the More older Disney their recent line of films have been disappointing.
[QUOTE=Daedulas;28634335]I Like the More older Disney their recent line of films have been disappointing.[/QUOTE] It's getting out of hand, really.
Disney does not make most of these movies, just slaps their label on them and provides a nice sum of cash to the director and crew to make a block-buster iirc
[QUOTE=Dachande;28634347]Disney does not make most of these movies, just slaps their label on them and provides a nice sum of cash to the director and crew to make a block-buster iirc[/QUOTE] They co-create it. But regardless of that, they're making too many movies, or too many things with labels on them
I cant wait for Stranger Tides. National Treasure 3 sounds kinda interesting as well.
[QUOTE=Birdman101;28634424]I cant wait for Stranger Tides. National Treasure 3 sounds kinda interesting as well.[/QUOTE] I didn't even know there was a second one.
[QUOTE=usaokay;28634350]I heard Tron: Legacy and Tangled were both good. Now I just hope Stranger Tides, Winnie the Pooh, The Muppets, and National Treasure 3 are going to be good.[/QUOTE] Tron Legacy wasn't as good as the original Tron, and Tangled was a fucking pile of horse shit that deserves to be dragged across a hot bed of shattered glass. And it's looking like they're going to turn Stranger Tides into some fucking love story.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28634531]Tron Legacy wasn't as good as the original Tron, and Tangled was a fucking pile of horse shit that deserves to be dragged across a hot bed of shattered glass. [b]And it's looking like they're going to turn Stranger Tides into some fucking love story.[/b][/QUOTE] :smithicide:
[QUOTE=Daedulas;28634335]I Like the More older Disney their recent line of films have been disappointing.[/QUOTE] Everything looks better through rose-tinted lenses. Now at the risk of sounding hypocritical, I have to agree that their attention to detail in their drawn movies has diminished.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;28634571]Everything looks better through rose-tinted lenses. Now at the risk of sounding hypocritical, I have to agree that their attention to detail in their drawn movies has diminished.[/QUOTE] if by diminished you mean vivisected and completely outdone by almost every other recent hand drawn animated film(all of them from other countries), then yes Disney is a company quagmired in marketing jargon and political correctness. They couldn't make a decent animated film now if they brought the nine old men(plus all of the other brilliant animators that disney decided not to acknowledge) back from the grave to make it for them. [editline]16th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=tommofandan;28634554]:smithicide:[/QUOTE] why can't they just have johnny depp run around on screen in a pirate outfit for an hour and a half why must they shove this unwanted shit into these movies
oh yeah, and cars 2 is just one in a coming line of sequels shat out of pixar the only purpose of which is to make easy money for the herpes infested whore that is disney corporation and to show that pixar is now a blighted warren of committee thinking and willfully incompetent manchildren
Isn't tangled aimed for kids?
[QUOTE=LeetBaby;28634801]Isn't tangled aimed for kids?[/QUOTE] So was Snow White, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty, 101 Dalmations, The Jungle Book, and Pinocchio. Know what the difference between them and Tangled is? They weren't insulting, vapid, annoying pieces of shit.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28634842]So was Snow White, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty, 101 Dalmations, The Jungle Book, and Pinocchio. Know what the difference between them and Tangled is? They weren't insulting, vapid, annoying pieces of shit.[/QUOTE] How was tangled insulting?
[QUOTE=Ghostwork;28634313]for what other reason would a company be making movies?[/QUOTE] Because they have a desire to create good movies? Maybe I'm just too foreign in my thinking but I can think of a good number of animated movies that were destined to be box office failures that were made because the people making them thought they ought to be made. If people only made movies for money Spirited Away would be about a sixteen year old waifu with huge tits and her struggle to survive in a fantasy land of tentacle beasts and horny bachelors. [editline]16th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=LeetBaby;28634880]How was tangled insulting?[/QUOTE] The annoying smugness with which each line was the delivered by the protagonists, the plot built entirely around deus ex machina and bad slapstick, the fact that the heroine was perfect and talented in absolutely every way and everybody loved her including the villain, the pointless chameleon sidekick who exists only to ruin every partially bearable scene by waving his hands around and making 'tude faces, the disgusting subtext that if you disagree with your mother and she insists she knows better than you she probably doesn't really love you, I can go on.
Tangled was really good what are you talking about. Also, Disney isn't "making" all these movies. What you are saying is akin to complaining that Warner Brothers or Paramount "make" too many films. Or that humans make too many films for that matter... [editline]16th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28634902] If people only made movies for money Spirited Away would be about a sixteen year old waifu with huge tits and her struggle to survive in a fantasy land of tentacle beasts and horny bachelors. [/QUOTE] uhhhh
[QUOTE=RyanDv3;28634988]Tangled was really good what are you talking about. Also, Disney isn't "making" all these movies. What you are saying is akin to complaining that Warner Brothers or Paramount "make" too many films. Or that humans make too many films for that matter...[/QUOTE] No it wasn't. It wasn't at all. Be it the lack of any sort of intimidating villain, the selfish and development lacking main characters, the horrible and forgettable songs(sans the flower song which was written years ago back when the movie wasn't destined to be shit), or the bland and samey design, take your pick, it was a bad movie. [editline]16th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RyanDv3;28634988]uhhhh[/QUOTE] Welcome to Japan may I take your coat.
Why is almost everyone in this thread upset about Disney making money? Their movies aren't that bad and there's obviously a lot of effort put into it
[QUOTE=deggie;28635086]Why is almost everyone in this thread upset about Disney making money? Their movies aren't that bad and there's obviously a lot of effort put into it[/QUOTE] Because I'm not upset about them making money. I'm upset because they're a fucking decadent, dumb beast that gorges on good ideas and creative spark and shits out bland drek and aimless, apathetic soulless men that were once artists.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28634902] The annoying smugness with which each line was the delivered by the protagonists, the plot built entirely around deus ex machina and bad slapstick, the fact that the heroine was perfect and talented in absolutely every way and everybody loved her including the villain, the pointless chameleon sidekick who exists only to ruin every partially bearable scene by waving his hands around and making 'tude faces, the disgusting subtext that if you disagree with your mother and she insists she knows better than you she probably doesn't really love you, I can go on.[/QUOTE] Tangled was creative and it's plot broke the generic kids-movie mold. I don't remember smugness, and your complaint about deus ex machina seems unfair and arbitrary. Her flaw was that she was naive; she goes through a coming-of-age character growth. I admit the chamelean wasn't generally that funny but still nitpicking. Finally the "disgusting subtext" you speak actually seems to me like a fresh, interesting, and bold statement about growing up and parenting. My one critique of the movie would be that the evil mom ends up being cut out of the girls life (does she die?); I felt it would be more interesting and meaningful if the girl realized that despite her (fake) mothers wrongdoings, she still loved her. That we can't choose our family. I did feel it was bit unrealistic that the birth parents were seen as the obvious best parents, and that the relationship would be easy. She's 18, getting new parents really doesn't make sense, even if she was kidnapped. [editline]16th March 2011[/editline] I find it surprising that you are upset about a kids movie NOT having a black and white morality message... [editline]16th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28635034] Welcome to Japan may I take your coat.[/QUOTE] Wow racist. Spirited away is essentially a kids movie; if it was cheap money-fodder then it would just be generic and unmeaningful, not a porno.
[QUOTE=RyanDv3;28635127]Tangled was creative and it's plot broke the generic kids-movie mold. I don't remember smugness, and your complaint about deus ex machina seems unfair and arbitrary. Her flaw was that she was naive; she goes through a coming-of-age character growth. I admit the chamelean wasn't generally that funny but still nitpicking. Finally the "disgusting subtext" you speak actually seems to me like a fresh, interesting, and bold statement about growing up and parenting. My one critique of the movie would be that the evil mom ends up being cut out of the girls life (does she die?); I felt it would be more interesting and meaningful if the girl realized that despite her (fake) mothers wrongdoings, she still loved her. That we can't choose our family. I did feel it was bit unrealistic that the birth parents were seen as the obvious best parents, and that the relationship would be easy. She's 18, getting new parents really doesn't make sense, even if she was kidnapped.[/QUOTE] 1. It did not. It was Hunchback of Notre Dame, only simplified, blandified, and smuggified. It's about a character who is kept in a secluded location at the whims of a false parental figure who keeps them trapped for their own benefit. The character secretly longs for the outside world, until they meet someone from the outside who gives them the confidence to strike out on their own. They ultimately form a relationship with this person and eventually defeat their captor, securing their freedom. The difference is that Quasimodo was in a bell tower, stayed because he feared his appearance which played into the development of his character, and Frolo was an intimidating villain who posed serious risk to the main characters. Rapunzel was in a castle which contained everything anyone could ever fucking want, she stayed inside because of vague threats that never actually threaten her, and the villain was a relatively kind old woman who would go on fucking week long trips to get her fucking painting materials. 2. Yeah, it's unfair to say that Rapunzel works her way out of [I]every single problem[/I] by asking the people accosting her to just stop and join her side. And they do. For the rest of the movie. Because she's just that great. 3. Not nit picking. When you're trying to make a scene feel mysterious and wondrous a fucking obnoxious reptile in the background waving his fucking arms around ruins the tone. 4. Yes, what a bold subtext and brilliant new message to send to children. If you disagree with your parents or if they care about your safety, they hate you and you shouldn't listen to them because they don't really love you. I do say, what other brilliance can come from the minds of the Walt Disney corporation animation committee?
I like Tron: Legacy, but on the wholescale Disney was better off going for quality rather than quantity. Lion King and the like were some of their best movies.
[QUOTE=GeneralSanchez;28635234]I like Tron: Legacy, but on the wholescale Disney was better off going for quality rather than quantity. Lion King and the like were some of their best movies.[/QUOTE] I didn't like Tron Legacy because it just sort of abandoned everything interesting about Tron. I want a retro French comic book artist designed cyber punk interpretation of Roman persecution of the Christians, damnit.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28635230] 2. Yeah, it's unfair to say that Rapunzel works her way out of [I]every single problem[/I] by asking the people accosting her to just stop and join her side. And they do. For the rest of the movie. Because she's just that great. [/quote] I'm pretty sure that was about her learning that the world outside isn't essentially evil, as suggested by her mother. [quote] 3. Not nit picking. When you're trying to make a scene feel mysterious and wondrous a fucking obnoxious reptile in the background waving his fucking arms around ruins the tone. [/quote] fine [quote] 4. Yes, what a bold subtext and brilliant new message to send to children. If you disagree with your parents or if they care about your safety, they hate you and you shouldn't listen to them because they don't really love you. I do say, what other brilliance can come from the minds of the Walt Disney corporation animation committee?[/QUOTE] Your being sensational here. It's interesting that you insinuate that disney's faceless corporate-ness is what drives them to spread evil anti-parental thoughts into the minds of children, when in fact any money-grubbing irresponsible organization would make material that [b]goes along[/b] with parents popular opinions, the people who actually shell out the cash.
[QUOTE=RyanDv3;28635127]I find it surprising that you are upset about a kids movie NOT having a black and white morality message... [editline]16th March 2011[/editline] Wow racist. Spirited away is essentially a kids movie; if it was cheap money-fodder then it would just be generic and unmeaningful, not a porno.[/QUOTE] Yes, that's exactly what I was complaining about, you hit the nail on the head. I acquiesce to your superior debating skills. I'm not being racist, I'm being factual. Look at any given seasonal lineup of anime. The vast, vast majority is sexually charged erotica to appeal to the main market for anime in Japan, creepy lonely nerds. This doesn't mean all anime is sexually charged erotica designed to appeal to creepy lonely nerds, it just means that when anime is made that isn't like that, it's made in spite of what will sell, not because of it. [editline]16th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RyanDv3;28635324]I'm pretty sure that was about her learning that the world outside isn't essentially evil, as suggested by her mother. fine Your being sensational here. It's interesting that you insinuate that disney's faceless corporate-ness is what drives them to spread evil anti-parental thoughts into the minds of children, when in fact any money-grubbing irresponsible organization would make material that went along with parents popular opinions, the people who actually shell out the cash.[/QUOTE] Except that without any sort of threat to your main characters the plot becomes stagnant and boring. Which it did. No, I'm not implying that at all. I'm implying that Disney is run by fucking idiots who have no idea how to tell stories, and when a certain disturbing subtext arises in one of their movies it's probably because they were too thick to realize what they were doing.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28635329] I'm not being racist, I'm being factual. Look at any given seasonal lineup of anime. The vast, vast majority is sexually charged erotica to appeal to the main market for anime in Japan, creepy lonely nerds. This doesn't mean all anime is sexually charged erotica designed to appeal to creepy lonely nerds, it just means that when anime is made that isn't like that, it's made in spite of what will sell, not because of it. [/QUOTE] Japan has a much larger tradition of adult-oriented animated shows/series. I think you are confusing animated with "for children", and for that reason and others, I don't think you have a very objective or detailed understanding of japanese media. The very fact that you have such a negative opinion about it seems to suggest that you must not partake of much of it. You merely share the commonly held belief that "those japs are crazy horny bastards".
[QUOTE=RyanDv3;28634988]Tangled was really good what are you talking about. Also, Disney isn't "making" all these movies. What you are saying is akin to complaining that [b]Warner Brothers or Paramount[/b] "make" too many films. Or that humans make too many films for that matter... [/quote] The films they make actually make sense and aren't bullshit pieces of digitalized crap in your face. They have meanings and a good story, not just "Hurr, i think we should go attack someone and then get attacked and all be friends"
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