EU bans financial assistance to Israeli organizations in the occupied territories, Israel responds b
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[quote]The EU last week placed a financial ban on Israeli organisations working in the occupied territories[/quote]
[quote]The European Union has raised concerns over media reports that[B] Israel has blocked the EU from aiding tens of thousands of Palestinians in the West Bank in retaliation to a ban on financial assistance to Israeli organisations in the occupied territories.[/B]
The EU imposed its restrictions last week, citing its frustration over the continued expansion of Jewish settlements in territory captured by Israeli forces in the 1967 Middle East War. The new guidelines render Israeli entities operating there ineligible for EU grants, prizes or loans, beginning next year.
In Brussels, Maja Kocijancic, spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, said: "The EU is concerned by reports in the Israeli media that the Israeli Minister of Defence has announced a number of restrictions affecting EU activities supporting the Palestinian people."
"We have not received any official communication from the Israeli authorities. Our delegations on the spot are seeking urgent clarifications," Kocijancic added.
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An Israeli official said on Friday the Jewish state was compelled to respond to the EU's decision "to sanction or boycott the settlements".[/B]
[B]"From our standpoint we cannot just ignore this or treat spitting in our face as though it is rain," the official said.
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[B]The Israeli official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon had decided to suspend contacts with the EU in the West Bank.[/B]
Yaalon, a former army chief and a hardliner in Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's Likud party, has "frozen projects, cancelled meetings, curtailed coordination and permits for Europe's operations" for Palestinians living in what is known as Area C, a West Bank area fully administered by Israel, he said.
[B]A Western diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that due to the Israeli measures, several European humanitarian aid staff had failed to receive permits to enter the Palestinian-ruled Gaza Strip.[/B][/quote]
pissy little shits
It still flummoxes me how Israel is able to just deny people access into Palestine, especially when they're humanitarian groups.
[quote]"From our standpoint we cannot just ignore this or treat spitting in our face as though it is rain," the official said.[/quote]
Self-victimizing scum.
The Israeli government has one of the most subtle and well orchestrated genocide campaigns underway. Fighting a prolonged pitched battle by slowly and passive-aggressively intruding into Palestinian people's land with the support of foreign aid, and then when the Palestinians get fed up and retaliate, Israelis comes down on them like a tonne of bricks and kill savagely disproportionate numbers of people in retribution for the minor infraction.
Very effective means of slowly exterminating/displacing a local population. Must make more Lebensraum!
EU: "Stop bullying your Palestinians or no desert after lunch"
Israel: "Hey, Palestine, looks like you are skipping luch, today"
[editline]27th July 2013[/editline]
They are fucking holding Palestine hostage.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41617126]The Israeli government has one of the most subtle and well orchestrated genocide campaigns underway.[/QUOTE]
When the word "genocide" comes up, the actions of the Israelis isn't exactly what I had in mind.
Absolutely disgusting.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41617179]EU: "Stop bullying your Palestinians or no desert after lunch"
Israel: "Hey, Palestine, looks like you are skipping luch, today"
[editline]27th July 2013[/editline]
They are fucking holding Palestine hostage.[/QUOTE]
This whole post was shamelessly stolen from my mind.
So much this.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41617179]EU: "Stop bullying your Palestinians or no desert after lunch"
Israel: "Hey, Palestine, looks like you are skipping luch, today"
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They are not even "their" Palestinians. They are just Palestinians. This is part of the problem, is outside eyes can't discern what is actually happening here and Israel continues to be supported and/or excused. Israel illegally sets up authority over these Palestinian lands. This "foreign aid" that they are now cutting off is really just a loose pretext of justifying their own illegal presence on the land.
The means of expansion is that independent Israeli settlers with a zealot manifest-destiny ideology (I say this without the slightest tinge of hyperbole) literally move into legally Palestinian-owned land and set up fortified houses, and up until now these settlers were being financially supported by outside sources until the EU banned it. Once the Israelis are illegally on the land, Israeli soldiers join them and defend them on the pretense of [I]"Oh well, we need to defend our citizens, don't we?"[/I] That's the brilliant part of the campaign though, is the Palestinians literally can't do anything about it since their only means of stopping it is to use violence against the Israeli settlers/soldiers, as passive-resistance does not work against people who are trying to push you off of land; and everybody loves to hear about instances of Arab violence against the "passive" Israeli settlers.
If they attack the Israelis who are illegally and forcibly intruding into their own Palestinian land, then the headlines are suddenly "Palestinians murder peaceful Israeli homesteaders" and everybody stands idly-by why Israel turns the local Palestinian town into a smoking crater.
[editline]27th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41617251]When the word "genocide" comes up, the actions of the Israelis isn't exactly what I had in mind.[/QUOTE]
And that's exactly why it is brilliantly orchestrated. They pander towards callous apologists who think "violence is always wrong" and because of that, Israeli settlers can never be in the wrong. They are on a [I]passive[/I] offensive. The offensive part of Israeli settlement is simply their illegal presence of the land, they don't [I][B]need[/B][/I] to use proactive violence to push the Palestinians out of their homes, they simply need to wait until the Palestinians attempt to defend themselves.
They illegally push into Palestinian land, and when they invariably get attacked, the misguided people who still support Israel rally to it's side as the Israeli military exacts retributions with impunity. A two-state solution is not going to work. It's an impossible fantasy, and while idiots sit around discussing the fanciful impossibles required to make that two state solution an implausible reality, the right wing extremist Israeli government purposely delays reform while it quietly continues to strengthen their iron grip on the entire region. By the time anybody has an two-state idea figured out, Israel will already own the entire geographical region anyways because nobody fucking did anything to stop the illegal expansion.
The only ethical and moral solution to the situation is to cut Israeli funding to the point that Israel is not capable of propagating or even defending itself, and only then will here be an incentive to discuss the idea of a cosmopolitan Israeli-Palestinian state.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41617420]And that's exactly why it is brilliantly orchestrated. They pander towards callous apologists who think "violence is always wrong" and because of that, Israeli settlers can never be in the wrong. They are on a [I]passive[/I] offensive. The offensive part of Israeli settlement is simply their illegal presence of the land, they don't [I][B]need[/B][/I] to use proactive violence to push the Palestinians out of their homes, they simply need to wait until the Palestinians attempt to defend themselves.
They illegally push into Palestinian land, and when they invariably get attacked, the misguided people who still support Israel rally to it's side as the Israeli military exacts retributions with impunity. A two-state solution is not going to work. It's an impossible fantasy, and while idiots sit around discussing the fanciful impossibles required to make that two state solution an implausible reality, the right wing Israeli government purposely delays reform while it quietly continues to strengthen their iron grip on the entire region. By the time anybody has an two-state idea figured out, Israel will already own the entire geographical region anyways because nobody fucking did anything to stop the illegal expansion.
The only ethical and moral solution to the situation is to cut Israeli funding to the point that Israel is not capable of propagating or even defending itself, and only then will here be an incentive to discuss the idea of a cosmopolitan Israeli-Palestinian state.[/QUOTE]
So it goes roughly like this?
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No, it goes something like this
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Keeping in mind of course that Israel is the state that is [I]drastically[/I] expanding, whilst Palestine is shrinking day by day.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41617681]No, it goes something like this
Keeping in mind of course that Israel is the state that is [I]drastically[/I] expanding, whilst Palestine is shrinking day by day.[/QUOTE]
You forgot these:
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/9-years_old_Israeli_boy_Osher_Twito_copes_with_lost_of_his_leg_after_Qassam_exploded_next_to_him_in_Sderot_Israel.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Grad_Beersheba.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Mother_consoles_daughter_after_rocket_attack.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Little_Israeli_boy_standing_in_his_house_that_was_destroyed_by_qassam_rocket.jpg[/img_thumb]
Oh look, it's one of the hundreds of failed or intercepted 60 year old rockets fired by a militant minority, that actually managed to hit something.
Meanwhile Israel retaliates against intercepted Katyushas with [I]guided munitions[/I] dropped straight onto civilian centers.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41617783]Oh look, it's one of the hundreds of failed or intercepted 60 year old rockets fired by a militant minority, that actually managed to hit something.
Meanwhile Israel retaliates against intercepted Katyushas with [I]guided munitions[/I] dropped straight onto civilian centers.[/QUOTE]
Yes, except the military also forms a minority in Israeli. Conscription also takes place, and most people prefer to get on with their lives. I don't think Israelis are actively calling out for Israel to expand in every possible direction and to lob Palestinian babies on bayonets as a form of entertainment.
Saying things like this:
[quote]The only ethical and moral solution to the situation is to cut Israeli funding to the point that Israel is not capable of propagating or even defending itself[/quote]
Makes me suspect you don't think Israeli people are very human.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41617556]So it goes roughly like this?
[media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN3qR2H4jGY[/URL][/media][/QUOTE]
That is the most accurate video I have ever seen.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41617817]Makes me suspect you don't think Israeli people are very human.[/QUOTE]
He's saying that because Israel twists the definition of "defending itself" as a pretext for grabbing more land.
Transcript from a hidden camera revealing Netanyahu's acts of mendacity. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQTUNHwFA80[/url]
[quote]Woman: Wait a moment, but then the world will say "how come you're conquering again?"
Netanyahu: the world won't say a thing. [B]The world will say we're defending.
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Woman: Aren't you afraid of the world, Bibi?
Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction.
Child: They say they're for us, but, it's like...
Netanyahu: They won't get in our way. They won't get in our way.[/quote]
I wonder if Israel would do a complete about-face if the US said "Look, stop fucking stomping all over Palestine. We're going to aid them if you fire another rocket. No we don't care why you fired it."[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41617817]Yes, except the military also forms a minority in Israeli. Conscription also takes place, and most people prefer to get on with their lives. I don't think Israelis are actively calling out for Israel to expand in every possible direction and to lob Palestinian babies on bayonets as a form of entertainment.
Saying things like this:
Makes me suspect you don't think Israeli people are very human.[/QUOTE]
And yet somebody keeps voting in the leaders that perpetuate such things.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41617817]Yes, except the military also forms a minority in Israeli.
Makes me suspect you don't think Israeli people are very human.[/QUOTE]
Considered Israel uses national conscription, one could argue that the military is actually the majority. Everybody goes through the indoctrination process, or at least has multiple members of the family who have had to do service time. It's a militarized culture. "Defense" ceases to be defense the second you start killing ten times your numbers in unarmed civilians; that's an offense. The really sad thing is that I'm seriously not exaggerating in the slightest.
This is the most contrived argument I've ever had about Israel. At least Israeli members like Glorbo put up good and relevant arguments, but yours have to be the most uninformed, self-deprecating and unintentionally ironic I've ever seen. For your own good, please stop. It's to the point that you're actually lampooning the image of people who support Israel by posting these news articles of sad PR gestures and disproportionate war photos.
[QUOTE=TestECull;41617930]I wonder if Israel would do a complete about-face if the US said "Look, stop fucking stomping all over Palestine. We're going to aid them if you fire another rocket. No we don't care why you fired it."
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Well, if the US said that, it would mean that the same people controlling Israel would want it to stop.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41617742]You forgot these:
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/9-years_old_Israeli_boy_Osher_Twito_copes_with_lost_of_his_leg_after_Qassam_exploded_next_to_him_in_Sderot_Israel.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Grad_Beersheba.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Mother_consoles_daughter_after_rocket_attack.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Little_Israeli_boy_standing_in_his_house_that_was_destroyed_by_qassam_rocket.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
This is an unfortunate reality when a military occupation endures it's toll on a populace for so many decades. The oppressed populace begins to resort to any method thinkable in order to get back at the occupiers.
Keep note Palestinian rockets are largely ineffective and exaggerated. See the second photo where the rocket just lands in a field of dirt? That's the result of 95% of Palestinan rockets. I can't count the times I've seen these photos regurgitated over and over, indicating that events like these are quite rare since these and a few others appear to be the only photos that exist on the internet of rockets causing results. The third photo is psychological stress (not to undermine it), and the last photo is a boy standing in front of wreckage with a teddy bear placed conveniently in the photo (couldn't be any more subtle?), which like all of these photos, have been showcased endlessly since 2004.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;41617910]He's saying that because Israel twists the definition of "defending itself" as a pretext for grabbing more land.
Transcript from a hidden camera revealing Netanyahu's acts of mendacity. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQTUNHwFA80[/url][/QUOTE]
Yes the Prime Minister is Beelzebub reincarnated. What of the ordinary people (not the hardcore rabbis who call for genocide of the Palestinians mind you)? What is to happen with them?
[QUOTE=Megafan;41617100]It still flummoxes me how Israel is able to just deny people access into Palestine, especially when they're humanitarian groups.[/QUOTE]
Nobody has the balls the fuck with Israel because they'll play the Holocaust card when they get pushed.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41617943]Considered Israel uses national conscription, one could argue that the military is actually the majority. Everybody goes through the indoctrination process, or at least has multiple members of the family who have had to do service time. It's a militarized culture. "Defense" ceases to be defense the second you start killing ten times your numbers in unarmed civilians; that's an offense. The really sad thing is that I'm seriously not exaggerating in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
This seems slightly morbid. Are you suggesting that all Israelis conscripted (not all the other groups whom are exempt from conscription) are a homogeneous blob, all masturbating to the thought of the day when they get to annex Palestine outright?
I very much doubt that. Israeli conscript teenagers don't spend their time thinking up ways how to grab land and kill Palestinians.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41617681]No, it goes something like this[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41617742]You forgot these:[/QUOTE]
How about both sides do wrong? Seriously, all this black and white isn't helpful. Both sides do a lot of wrong things and while I surely welcome the ban on EU funding for illegal settlements, we cannot argue that any side is more right than the other.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41618058]This seems slightly morbid. Are you suggesting that all Israelis conscripted (not all the other groups whom are exempt from conscription) are a homogeneous blob, all masturbating to the thought of the day when they get to annex Palestine outright?
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Pretty much, yeah
I'll never justify someone breaking into my house and taking it as their own.
All I am going to say.
This shit seriously needs to be stopped. This is straight up imperialism.
If this keeps going in the direction it is, there'll be a point where action is necessary and inevitable. And at that point, the force needed to intervene will be exponentially greater than it is now.
[QUOTE=KILLTHIS;41618086]How about both sides do wrong? Seriously, all this black and white isn't helpful. Both sides do a lot of wrong things and while I surely welcome the ban on EU funding for illegal settlements, we cannot argue that any side is more right than the other.[/QUOTE]
This is more or less what I argue. Israel has had problems, but the Palestinian terrorist groups aren't any better, what with their bus bombings, tortures, and trillions of political parties which hate each other more than the Israelis.
[QUOTE=KILLTHIS;41618086]How about both sides do wrong? Seriously, all this black and white isn't helpful. Both sides do a lot of wrong things and while I surely welcome the ban on EU funding for illegal settlements, we cannot argue that any side is more right than the other.[/QUOTE]
You don't hold occupiers backed by a superpower to the same standards of an oppressed stateless population, similarly with how you do not do the same with the South African resistance against Apartheid, Algerians against the French, Natives against the Europeans and so on. There are no "equal sides" in this conflict.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;41618139]You don't hold occupiers backed by a superpower to the same standards of an oppressed population, similarly with how you do not do the same with South African resistance against Apartheid, Algerians against the French, Natives against the Europeans and so on. There are no "equal sides" in this conflict.[/QUOTE]
I don't know. Though the original UN partition of the area into a Jewish and Palestinian state would have disrupted relatively few people, when the neighboring states attacked Israel in 1948, a massive dislocation of Arabs in Israel and Jews in Arab countries followed. The refusal of the Arab states to absorb the Arab refugees has kept the issue contentious ever since.
Some of its friendly neighbors want to "wipe it off the map", so it's not as black and white as that. Israel isn't the hellspawn of Satan neither a white angelic entity.
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