• Need a new Low-Profile capable card, having trouble deciding
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Alright, so my issue is yes, I'm a dumbshit and yes, the computer is pre-built. It has a 220W PSU, and that's the first thing to go of course. It's also on the integrated GPU, and I need a different one. Of course, the pre-built nature brings issues to that. It's a Micro-ATX with good parts on it, yeah, but it has the integrated Intel graphics that somehow runs DX11 along with 4GB Ram and a 2.5 Ghz Quad-Core. Still only has 1 PCI-E x 16 slot for a card, and the case is, of course, Micro. SO I have a bit of a dilemma; I'm forced into Low-Profile cards, which sadly seem to be comprised mostly of shit. So far, along with the PSU, I've been looking at the new HD 5570. It's low-profile, low power consumption, HDMI capable (TV as monitor :downs:) along with DVI (Though apparently the low-profile bracket tells it to fuck off, so even though my TV could use it I couldn't), obviously part of the (apparently) renowned HD 5000 series, and DX11. Seems like a pretty good deal, though I've got pretty mixed reports on its performance, especially with overclocking. I'd say it's adequate for what I want, though, worst comes to worse, and I'd still have DX11 to be happy about. [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102874]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102874[/url] Though outside of that, there's the little-known Sparkle 9800 GT. It's a good GPU from what I've heard. However, I don't know if it's necessarily better than the 5570, or how it matches up; it seems like it'd match up, but like I said I'm getting rather mixed performance reports. Along with that, it requires MUCH more power through an external connector, and I don't know if the low-profile dumbed down the GPU any. Also only DX10, so somehow I'd feel it's a downgrade due to the integrated running 11, even if it's not one at all. On top of all of that it's Sparkle, which for some reason I have prejudice against because of the [I]stupid fucking logo[/I] (If I got the card I'd have to tear off the damn sticker) and because they're Taiwanese, in which case I'm a prejudiced bastard and not sure if I trust the quality of their parts. Nevertheless, it's still a good option, even if I just spew hate about it. [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187061]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187061[/url] SO yeah, all of that. What do you guys think is the more prudent card to buy? TL;DR: Need new low-profile GPU, HD 5570 with DX11 and low power consumption or 9800 GT from Sparkle with high power consumption?
Seems like you've done the research, all you need is the balls to choose one. If you are gaming, most games are centered around Nvidia tech, so even though the ATi's are faster, the programming for video games isn't as optimized. However, some games are optimized for the ATi, but most UT3 engine games (Borderlands, Gears of War, UT3, Mass Effect) are made for Nvidia.
[QUOTE=KillerKane;20474989]Seems like you've done the research, all you need is the balls to choose one. If you are gaming, most games are centered around Nvidia tech, so even though the ATi's are faster, the programming for video games isn't as optimized. However, some games are optimized for the ATi, but most UT3 engine games (Borderlands, Gears of War, UT3, Mass Effect) are made for Nvidia.[/QUOTE] That's an advertising gimmick. Neither brand has the upper hand when playing a game.
Even though KillerKane said games are optimized for nvidia, with a 5000 series card in Mass Effect 1 and 2 I always have 60 FPS with vsync on. It never ever ever drops. Honestly, I'd say a 5770 if you could fit it and afford it. I know you said 5750, but the 5770 is worth it.
[QUOTE=Razzie;20475139]Even though KillerKane said games are optimized for nvidia, with a 5000 series card in Mass Effect 1 and 2 I always have 60 FPS with vsync on. It never ever ever drops. Honestly, I'd say a 5770 if you could fit it and afford it. I know you said 5750, but the 5770 is worth it.[/QUOTE] He needs a low profile card. [editline]05:53PM[/editline] OP, do not get the 9800GT.
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187098&cm_re=gts250-_-14-187-098-_-Product[/url] Get this I think it's the best low profile out. Correct me if i'm wrong
Oh then sure the 5570. On a 220w, 5570 if the 9800 takes more power.
Get the 5570.
[QUOTE=KillerKane;20474989]Seems like you've done the research, all you need is the balls to choose one. If you are gaming, most games are centered around Nvidia tech, so even though the ATi's are faster, the programming for video games isn't as optimized. However, some games are optimized for the ATi, but most UT3 engine games (Borderlands, Gears of War, UT3, Mass Effect) are made for Nvidia.[/QUOTE] psst if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk @OP with a PSU that bad, you're probably going to be limited to the 5___s because of their low power requirements
[QUOTE=ghostofme;20475209]He needs a low profile card. [editline]05:53PM[/editline] OP, do not get the 9800GT.[/QUOTE] 9800 is one of the best low profile cards.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;20475326]9800 is one of the best low profile cards.[/QUOTE] what about the gts250 i linked?
Alright. Just confirmed what I was already thinking. Oh, what about that 250 though? FUck it, I still think I'll go for the 5570. Also, PSU isn't an issue. Yeah I have a shitty 220 I could actually prolly run it on (It only wakes 40W apparently), but I don't want to risk it and like I said, I'm replacing it no matter what. Seriously, fuck that shit.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;20475326]9800 is one of the best low profile cards.[/QUOTE] Yes, but on a 220W a 5570 would be a better choice.
[QUOTE=ghostofme;20475383]Yes, but on a 220W a 5570 would be a better choice.[/QUOTE] Replacing the 220W and there's a 250 GTS now. Let's go off of that standard/comparison. [editline]01:34PM[/editline] Holy fucking shit, after looking at benchmarks for the 250 GTS, if the low-profile tonedown didn't fuck anything up DX11 be damned, that card would be fucking amazing. Thinking I'm going for the 250. [editline]01:38PM[/editline] Hrm, comparing to two the 5570 has a fuckton more stream processors and a faster core clock. What do the stream processors do? I'm not very familiar with GPU technology. [editline]01:44PM[/editline] Looking at it again, it isn't very dumbed down from the full-on GTS 250s, with only a minutely slower memory clock and core clock, and if I learned how to overclock I doubt there would be much discrepancy, though I don't exactly know what I'm talking about. Overall, though, this 250 seems like the best thing I could do ever for this computer. In other words, time to buy that 550W PSU, a low-profile bracket, and this card. Also, automerge.
post links to what you're getting
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338038]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338038[/url] [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187098&cm_re=gts250-_-14-187-098-_-Product]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187098&cm_re=gts250-_-14-187-098-_-Product[/url] [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814999026&cm_re=Low_profile_bracket-_-14-999-026-_-Product]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814999026&cm_re=Low_profile_bracket-_-14-999-026-_-Product[/url] I believe. The PSU I'm working on, but just going by the form factor it's about the best I can get, unless I somehow find a way to cram a normal one in there. Somehow think I don't want to try that, though.
[QUOTE=ghostofme;20475094]That's an advertising gimmick. Neither brand has the upper hand when playing a game.[/QUOTE] batman..
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;20476831]batman..[/QUOTE] Don't give a shit about PhysX.
[QUOTE=Lol Steve;20476864]Don't give a shit about PhysX.[/QUOTE] or anti aliasing
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;20476831]batman..[/QUOTE] well yeah of course batman always has the upper hand, he's motherfucking batman I don't see that that matters though
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;20476888]or anti aliasing[/QUOTE] Eh, you got me there. Still, means nothing considering I'm going for the 250. [editline]03:29PM[/editline] Aw shit, I just realized how tough it is going to be to find a PSU that will fit. The case is 4'' wide. This is going to suck pretty hard... [editline]03:33PM[/editline] So how do external power supplies work? :v:
Why don't you just buy a new case?
[QUOTE=YodaEXE;20479507]Why don't you just buy a new case?[/QUOTE] Honestly, I came to that conclusion before and then shrugged it off. Now I'm at it again, as it would be MUCH easier than trying to fit everything, even if I have to figure out how to take this strange, STRANGE configuration without breaking anything/losing any features.
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147023[/url] Nice case.
the 5570 is really just a 4670 with DX11, according to some reviews
[QUOTE=Makol;20484964]the 5570 is really just a 4670 with DX11, according to some reviews[/QUOTE] except I've never seen anything higher than a 4650 in low profile, and the lower power usage is incredibly useful in a situation like this
[QUOTE=reapaninja;20485754]except I've never seen anything higher than a 4650 in low profile, and the lower power usage is incredibly useful in a situation like this[/QUOTE] yea, for what you're getting it's a good card.
[url=http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3860496&CatId=4324]http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3860496&CatId=4324[/url] Hrm. People are complaining about how small it is, which is good for me. Modular and with enough power, too; maybe not to run the GTS 250, thought many of the reviews say otherwise. And if I'm running all of this on 220W and still probably have breathing room, nearly doubling the PSU may work for the 250. Still, though, I don't know if I can trust the reviews and there's no definite measurements. Small enough for a hand, apparently (?) but still. Also, Tigerdirect. So yeah, I doubt it. Would be less work than a full case transfer and would be cheaper, but it's a gamble. A MAJOR gamble. Dunno if I should go for it.
[QUOTE=Lol Steve;20558102][url=http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3860496&CatId=4324]http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3860496&CatId=4324[/url] Hrm. People are complaining about how small it is, which is good for me. Modular and with enough power, too; maybe not to run the GTS 250, thought many of the reviews say otherwise. And if I'm running all of this on 220W and still probably have breathing room, nearly doubling the PSU may work for the 250. Still, though, I don't know if I can trust the reviews and there's no definite measurements. Small enough for a hand, apparently (?) but still. Also, Tigerdirect. So yeah, I doubt it. Would be less work than a full case transfer and would be cheaper, but it's a gamble. A MAJOR gamble. Dunno if I should go for it.[/QUOTE] No that is not a normal psu size.
[QUOTE=sbradford26;20558132]No that is not a normal psu size.[/QUOTE] Damn. Says Micro ATX and the measurements I found were about right unless I was converting wrong. Probably was. Ah well, back to square one. By the way, does Rosewill make good PSUs?
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