For the purposes of this thread, morally permissible will be referred to as the base line, whereas it is not restricted or forbidden in a society to commit the act of necrophilia.
Necrophilia is often regarded with a certain level of disgust and moral outrage; begging the question of what premises is this outrage based on? It is necessary to recognize
the factors that define what is morally permissible. Necrophilia may stretch the moral fabric per say, but is disgust and contempt on a personal level enough to warrant
necrophilia morally unacceptable?
I contend Necrophilia should morally permissible because of it harms no one on the basis of a reasonable circumstance. ( No grave robbing or murder prior to the act. )
So... What you're saying is that society should not find the idea of someone banging a corpse disgusting? You're better off trying to debate if it should be legal.
Have some respect for the dead. Even if you don't care that I wouldn't want anyone screwing my corpse after I die, my family sure as anything doesn't want anyone to do it, either. To do so would pretty much be rape. It's forcing sex on a body that isn't yours. Let's not forget that news story about the woman who was impregnated by a corpse at the morgue, too. Dead or alive, a corpse is still a person, or at least we all have the sense of respect to treat it like a symbol of the person it once was.
How would you feel if you saw someone having sex with your dead mother/father/relative?
I think necrophilia is completely disgusting and should be frowned upon.
Threads like this really make me wish there was no Debate section. Its such a ludicrous topic that will NEVER be accepted.
Long story short, I've done a lot of studying about psychology the past year and somethings such as this, cannibalism and other things are just some of the things wired into the regular mammal mind as weird and taboo that society has reinforced! BUT, our evolution into more caring and maternal beings has created a disgust for such acts.
I think I wanna be cremated, so no worries. Although, I think people shouldn't be boning corpses in the first place. How are you going to explain to your doctor that you caught some disease from a [i]corpse[/i].
[QUOTE=Jonii;34425640]Have some respect for the dead. Even if you don't care that I wouldn't want anyone screwing my corpse after I die, my family sure as anything doesn't want anyone to do it, either. To do so would pretty much be rape. It's forcing sex on a body that isn't yours. [b]Let's not forget that news story about the woman who was impregnated by a corpse at the morgue, too.[/b] Dead or alive, a corpse is still a person, or at least we all have the sense of respect to treat it like a symbol of the person it once was.[/QUOTE]
Ha-ha, you thought that was real!
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;34425626]So... What you're saying is that society should not find the idea of someone banging a corpse disgusting? You're better off trying to debate if it should be legal.[/QUOTE]
The pragmatic probabilities are irrelevant. The purpose is purely speculative as to whether or not necrophilia is morally permissible.
[QUOTE=TAU!;34425690]
Ha-ha, you thought that was real![/QUOTE]
Was it not? I saw it in so many places including FP and no one cried "fake." My bad. :v:
[QUOTE=Mr Kodiak;34425691]The pragmatic probabilities are irrelevant. The purpose is purely speculative as to whether or not necrophilia is morally permissible.[/QUOTE]
$20 says this was for you to flex purple prose.
morally permissible? how is it okay? It is non-consensual, and therefore not okay. Same reason I am against bestiality.
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;34425665]Threads like this really make me wish there was no Debate section. Its such a ludicrous topic that will NEVER be accepted.[/QUOTE]Time has a way of making ludicrous topics that were so patently offensive and taboo become less so.
Granted, I doubt necrophilia will ever surge into mainstream popularity, but just because you don't agree with the OP doesn't mean we shouldn't have a debate section. Lot of interesting things you can learn from people being completely wrong.
There's really nothing wrong with necrophilia in my opinion. I am accepting of most things people do. But the problem with it is, if necrophilia was legalized and culturally accepted, how would the people fucking the corpses receive corpses? There would probably have to be something you signed saying that you would donate your body to necrophiliacs after you died or something, but if there wasn't I don't see how it would legally work out.
[QUOTE=Mr Kodiak;34425599]For the purposes of this thread, morally permissible will be referred to as the base line, whereas it is not restricted or forbidden in a society to commit the act of necrophilia.
Necrophilia is often regarded with a certain level of disgust and moral outrage; begging the question of what premises is this outrage based on? It is necessary to recognize
the factors that define what is morally permissible. Necrophilia may stretch the moral fabric per say, but is disgust and contempt on a personal level enough to warrant
necrophilia morally unacceptable?
I contend Necrophilia should morally permissible because of it harms no one on the basis of a reasonable circumstance. ( No grave robbing or murder prior to the act. )[/QUOTE]
It's morally wrong because no one wants to imagine someone fucking their dead relative, it desecrates their memory. Why you are actually arguing for this to no longer be stigmatised is actually dumbfounding, all you need to do is consider a situation where this is happening to a relative of yours and chances are you'll be livid.
Necrophilia is wrong, because it's unsanitary and non-consensual. There's a reason why it's taboo, just like murder is taboo.
No, it really shouldn't be morally permissible. Non-consensual sex should never be.
The corpse can't consent to the act nor would it be aware of it. It's disgusting, someone taking advantage of the situation of another for sexual pleasure.
I don't see the problem with it, to be honest.
A corpse cannot gives its consent or say no, making it an object of sorts. Really, if someone were to have sex with my corpse, I wouldn't care because I would be dead. I would feel the same about my parents' corpse, because they no longer are, and therefore are indifferent.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34429141]I don't see the problem with it, to be honest.
A corpse cannot gives its consent or say no, making it an object of sorts. Really, if someone were to have sex with my corpse, I wouldn't care because I would be dead. I would feel the same about my parents' corpse, because they no longer are, and therefore are indifferent.[/QUOTE]
So if you caught me screwing your dead mum at her funeral you'd be like "oh, don't mind me, keep going buddy!"?
Hey bro the corpse didn't give you permission...
What. Defiling someone's family members corpse should be morally acceptable? [i]Sure.[/i] That's totally not fucked up or creepy as shit.
Haha, 10 posts in and someone used the non-consensual argument. That makes no sense. A corpse would be just as affected by it's inability to consent as a tin can, a banana or a fridge would. No inanimate objects can consent.
The problem with this is definitely either the relatives to the deceased, or something about how there's still some kind of humanity left in the corpse somehow. If the feelings of relatives are to be counted in, then that means we must consider the corpse something like the relatives' property.
I agree that morals should not be based on what we find disgusting or icky, but rather on what is actually harmful [I](to others)[/I]. Like murder is inherently harmful, while eating shit is just disgusting.
I can't see in which situation sex with a corpse would actually work out, because there's many other factors that make it very troublesome. Like mentioned earlier by someone else, where would they get the corpse? But I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it.
[QUOTE=Jasun;34429359]So if you caught me screwing your dead mum at her funeral you'd be like "oh, don't mind me, keep going buddy!"?[/QUOTE]
I would be a bit iffed, but I would probably say "I'm pretty sure that isn't very safe".
Am I the only one who thinks this guy is trolling? I mean, to even think of it.
What a retarded thread
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34430618]I would be a bit iffed, but I would probably say "I'm pretty sure that isn't very safe".[/QUOTE]
Your parents must be so proud of you.
[QUOTE=Jasun;34430718]Your parents must be so proud of you.[/QUOTE]
Why? I wouldn't particularly like it, but as my parents would be dead at the time, I don't particularly see how it would harm anyone besides the person who initiated the act.
If though someone wanted to kill me or my parents so that they could have sex with our bodies, then I would be very annoyed because that affects me now and the length of my life.
I want to get better at recognising fallacies, and I think this thread is good practice.
[QUOTE=Sodisna;34430639]Am I the only one who thinks this guy is trolling? I mean, to even think of it.[/QUOTE]
Appeal to ridicule, you aren't adding anything to the discussion, you're presenting no arguments other than claiming that the OP is a troll and that his arguments are invalid.
[url]http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Jasun;34429359]So if you caught me screwing your dead mum at her funeral you'd be like "oh, don't mind me, keep going buddy!"?[/QUOTE]
Strawman and red herring. He never mentioned a funeral, so you're bringing in other factors that aren't necessarily part of the discussion.
[url]http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Jasun;34430718]Your parents must be so proud of you.[/QUOTE]
Poisoning the well/personal attack. That is literally just an insult and it doesn't argue anything at all.
[url]http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html[/url]
To be honest you're coming across as a bit of a pretentious dick.
[QUOTE=Jasun;34431003]To be honest you're coming across as a bit of a pretentious dick.[/QUOTE]What a blatant ad hominem attack.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;34430870]I want to get better at recognising fallacies, and I think this thread is good practice.
Appeal to ridicule, you aren't adding anything to the discussion, you're presenting no arguments other than claiming that the OP is a troll and that his arguments are invalid.
[url]http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html[/url]
Strawman and red herring. He never mentioned a funeral, so you're bringing in other factors that aren't necessarily part of the discussion.
[url]http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html[/url]
Poisoning the well/personal attack. That is literally just an insult and it doesn't argue anything at all.
[url]http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html[/url][/QUOTE]
No one cares.
Also, how is a funeral not linked to dead people?
This is a discussion, not a "find the fallacy" thread.
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