• Pizza Hut Employee Shoots and Kills Attempted Robber
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[QUOTE][B]CHARLOTTE, N.C.[/B] - A west Charlotte Pizza Hut employee shot and killed a man trying to rob the restaurant early Sunday morning, Charlotte-Mecklenburg police said. The victim has been identified as Michael Grace. Three people tried just before 1:40 a.m. to break into the Pizza Hut at 3215 Freedom Drive, officials said. Police said the initial investigation shows that an employee fired his personal handgun at one of the armed intruders. The man died at the scene and has not been identified. Police found the intruder's gun he was carrying when he was shot at the scene. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/pizza-hut-employee-shoots-kills-attempted-robber-cmpd-says/462041531[/URL] Photos/Video in source
why would you rob a pizza hut gotta be better places to rob
What laws are there concerning this sort of scenario?
[QUOTE=Overwatch 7;51284913]What laws are there concerning this sort of scenario?[/QUOTE] If it happened as the story says then its completely legal on the employee's end. As armed robbery involves the threat of serious bodily injury or death. Generally the other two accomplices to the dead intruder will be charged with felony murder. And yeah, Pizza Hut will probably fire the employee.
yeah but as far as employee handbooks go he's probably gonna get fired
Well, its definitely not like delivery service has it any better. Apparently as the video mentions there were two more suspects, all pointing towards it being a pre-planned attack.
[QUOTE=Dr. Kyuros;51284930]Well, its definitely not like delivery service has it any better. Apparently as the video mentions there were two more suspects, all pointing towards it being a pre-planned attack.[/QUOTE] mask up gang
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;51284925]yeah but as far as employee handbooks go he's probably gonna get fired[/QUOTE] [quote]"The local Pizza Hut franchise is fully cooperating with the Charlotte Police Department as they continue their investigation, but want to stress that the security of its staff is of utmost concern. They are providing support to the team members involved to ensure their health and well-being following this incident. [B]The employee involved in the shooting has been placed on a leave of absence following further review."[/B][/quote] surprise
I used to be a shift manager at a Pizza Hut and I can confirm that they drill it into you with handbooks, and bi-annual online training that you are to comply with everything and hide. They state to never engage the robber, so very likely the employee will be fired. I would hope not personally though, as he did a brave thing there. Pizza Hut is weird with their rules/company laws, and can randomly be extremely strict, or slap on the wrist weak.
[QUOTE=Orkel;51284938]surprise[/QUOTE] theres still hope! but yeah they tell you to not even say "hey stop stealing that shit" at some places or risk unemployment, can only imagine
[QUOTE=Overwatch 7;51284913]What laws are there concerning this sort of scenario?[/QUOTE] Depends state to state, but generally he would be in the clear as far as the law is concerned.. Generally, if someone breaks into your home or even place of work and they don't leave when you ask them to leave, you're in the clear to use lethal force. Furthermore, they were clearly armed so, depending on his states laws, he typically wouldn't need to tell them to leave or warn them. I doubt he'll face any charges since his life clearly would have been in danger. He should be fine legally but Pizza Hut will probably fire him since every corporate policy ever says to just let the thieves take what they want and stay out of their way. Plus I doubt they would let him keep his firearm on his person while he's at work.
[QUOTE=Orkel;51284938]surprise[/QUOTE] Gotta keep those customers satisfied! Fucking pathetic really, the guy stopped the restaurant from losing money and he's possibly going to lose his job over it. A lot of restaurants' management cover up the shit that goes in just to maintain a healthy image. One time I found a fucking gun in a trashcan in one of our bathrooms and they didn't call the cops at all and I believe they let somebody take it home and at night we have a lot of drug deals in our parking lot and our managers don't do a damned thing about it. We even have people who come into our restaurants to sit down and eat food they brought in from [I]another[/I] restaurant although our General Manager supposedly tells them to leave, but the other managers don't do shit(which is probably why I don't see that very many people doing it anymore). Restaurants go way out of their way to appease customers no matter how they act while they're eating there, [I]even[/I] when they're disturbing the other customers.
Pizza boy, became a Pizza Man
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;51285007]Gotta keep those customers satisfied! Fucking pathetic really, the guy stopped the restaurant from losing money and he's possibly going to lose his job over it. A lot of restaurants' management cover up the shit that goes in just to maintain a healthy image. one time I found a fucking gun in a trashcan in one of our bathrooms and they didn't call the cops at all and I believe they let somebody take it home and at night we have a lot of drug deals in our parking lot and our managers don't do a damned thing about it. Restaurants go way out of their way to appease customers.[/QUOTE] tbh though the whole ordeal it is now costs Pizza Hut more money than if they just let the guy take the comparatively small amount of money that the store had. this is a large reason why they tell you to comply.
Shame he's gonna get fired. I'd totally go to this Pizza Hut and buy a meal just to meet this guy. Dude is a hero.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51285013]if anything he deserves a bonus[/QUOTE] No he doesn't. Pizza Hut has insurance for this sort of stuff. When I worked retail, they told me to give up everything to the robber because the cost to the company if I got hurt would be far worse than losing a day's take. Besides, why did he bring his personal gun to work?
Will other employers be hesitant to hire him after this? I really hope not.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51285101]No he doesn't. Pizza Hut has insurance for this sort of stuff. When I worked retail, they told me to give up everything to the robber because the cost to the company if I got hurt would be far worse than losing a day's take. Besides, why did he bring his personal gun to work?[/QUOTE] Fuck that. Guys were armed. What if they decide they don't want a witness? [editline]30th October 2016[/editline] Not arguing against you, just the company policy.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;51285161]Fuck that. Guys were armed. What if they decide they don't want a witness? [editline]30th October 2016[/editline] Not arguing against you, just the company policy.[/QUOTE] people generally dont murder out of nowhere Which is more likely in terms of a robber wanting to murder someone: 1: That he just decides to kill the clerk for no reason, escalating a robbery charge to a murder charge for essentially no reason. 2: That his friend got fatally shot by the clerk. I think that the latter is more likely to get the clerk murdered.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;51285161]Fuck that. Guys were armed. What if they decide they don't want a witness? [editline]30th October 2016[/editline] Not arguing against you, just the company policy.[/QUOTE] This isn't a Dirty Harry movie, people don't go into open restaurants to rob the place then decide they don't want witnesses.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51285179]He should've just left his fate in the hands of a potentially unstable armed man who was threatening his life and hoped the guy wouldn't shoot ok[/QUOTE] Why would he shoot is what I'm asking. It wouldn't be worth it for the robber.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51285198]It wouldn't be worth it for the robber.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't leave my life in his hands, and I see no reason to trust him or his intentions.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51285198]Why would he shoot is what I'm asking. It wouldn't be worth it for the robber.[/QUOTE] You don't know who the fuck is going to walk through that door even during normal business hours. Then, three guys try to bust in early in the morning with guns. For all he knows, they had some problem with him and wanted to kill him. People have been murdered for far less than a messed up pizza. Never assume someone values life as much as you do, because they can take yours away instantly.
someone sees you trying to draw a gun would put you at much higher risk than the perpetrator; complying is much more likely to get to keep your life.
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;51285007]Gotta keep those customers satisfied! Fucking pathetic really, the guy stopped the restaurant from losing money and he's possibly going to lose his job over it. A lot of restaurants' management cover up the shit that goes in just to maintain a healthy image. One time I found a fucking gun in a trashcan in one of our bathrooms and they didn't call the cops at all and I believe they let somebody take it home and at night we have a lot of drug deals in our parking lot and our managers don't do a damned thing about it. We even have people who come into our restaurants to sit down and eat food they brought in from [I]another[/I] restaurant although our General Manager supposedly tells them to leave, but the other managers don't do shit(which is probably why I don't see that very many people doing it anymore). Restaurants go way out of their way to appease customers no matter how they act while they're eating there, [I]even[/I] when they're disturbing the other customers.[/QUOTE] It's about insurance and stuff like that. It's cheaper and easier for them to to just let insurance handle anything that gets damaged by the robbers or stolen by them, than it is for them to have to pay out multi-million dollar lawsuits filed by the robbers.
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;51285007]Gotta keep those customers satisfied! Fucking pathetic really, the guy stopped the restaurant from losing money and he's possibly going to lose his job over it. A lot of restaurants' management cover up the shit that goes in just to maintain a healthy image. One time I found a fucking gun in a trashcan in one of our bathrooms and they didn't call the cops at all and I believe they let somebody take it home and at night we have a lot of drug deals in our parking lot and our managers don't do a damned thing about it. We even have people who come into our restaurants to sit down and eat food they brought in from [I]another[/I] restaurant although our General Manager supposedly tells them to leave, but the other managers don't do shit(which is probably why I don't see that very many people doing it anymore). Restaurants go way out of their way to appease customers no matter how they act while they're eating there, [I]even[/I] when they're disturbing the other customers.[/QUOTE] It has practically nothing to do with appeasing customers. It's a liability issue. An employee injuring someone when it isn't legally justified is going to have to be covered by the company liability insurance, and that can easily blow up to millions in damages from personal injury suits, negative customer feedback, and temporary closings. Even if they are legally justified, it can still cost money. The way the math works out, it's cheaper for employees to be considered disposable than it is to let them engage in any sort of violent activity. Particularly because these are low paying, low skill jobs. High skilled positions can sometimes make the argument that the employees can behave rationally, and the employees are actually valuable, so letting them defend themselves has both less risk, and higher incentives. Disclaimer: I don't think this is 'right', but it is what it is.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51285168]people generally dont murder out of nowhere Which is more likely in terms of a robber wanting to murder someone: 1: That he just decides to kill the clerk for no reason, escalating a robbery charge to a murder charge for essentially no reason. 2: That his friend got fatally shot by the clerk. I think that the latter is more likely to get the clerk murdered.[/QUOTE] Intent is irrelevant during a situation like that because you don't know their intent. What matters is their capability, and an armed person is capable of murdering or maiming someone. The chances of those guys walking in too cause some indiscriminate violence is pretty unlikely, but why take the chance? If you're armed and trained to use a firearm, then why not defend yourself?
[QUOTE]Three people tried just before 1:40 a.m. to break into the Pizza Hut at 3215 [B]Freedom Drive[/B], officials said.[/QUOTE] :terrists:
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;51285231]It has practically nothing to do with appeasing customers. It's a liability issue. An employee injuring someone when it isn't legally justified is going to have to be covered by the company liability insurance, and that can easily blow up to millions in damages from personal injury suits, negative customer feedback, and temporary closings. Even if they are legally justified, it can still cost money. The way the math works out, it's cheaper for employees to be considered disposable than it is to let them engage in any sort of violent activity. Particularly because these are low paying, low skill jobs. High skilled positions can sometimes make the argument that the employees can behave rationally, and the employees are actually valuable, so letting them defend themselves has both less risk, and higher incentives. Disclaimer: I don't think this is 'right', but it is what it is.[/QUOTE] Its not that they're "disposable", its that they put themselves at risk.
Regardless, the employee should file for unemployment. Just call the leave constructive dismissal. He'll get denied initially because they'll say it was for cause, and if he pushes, I'd think he'd win on appeal.
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