Law Graduate found Guilty of Falsely Accusing Former Boyfriend of Rape: Feminist Organization claims
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[url]http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/05/law-graduate-guilty-falsely-accusing-boyfriend-rape[/url]
[QUOTE]A law graduate faces jail after being found guilty of falsely accusing her former boyfriend of a series of rapes and assaults as an excuse for doing poorly in her barrister training.
The allegations made by Rhiannon Brooker meant Paul Fensome was arrested, charged and held in prison for 37 days.
Following an 11-week trial, the jury of 10 men and two women at Bristol crown court on Thursday found Brooker, who has an eight-month-old child, guilty of perverting the course of justice. She was given bail but could be jailed when she is sentenced later this month.
The campaign group Women Against Rape (War), which has supported Brooker, 30, claimed the police and Crown Prosecution Service put more resources into such cases than into investigating violent crimes including rape.
A War spokesperson said the prosecution of Brooker was "completely disproportionate", adding: "Time and again we see police resources diverted from rape and put into prosecuting women instead."
She also claimed Fensome had punched her in the ribs when she was pregnant, causing her to lose the baby.
She finally went to the police and made allegations against Fensome. But alibis, evidence from Fensome's phone and his work shift patterns undermined or disproved her accounts. Some of her injuries were judged to have been self-inflicted and the police discontinued their investigations into Fensome and turned their attention on Brooker.[/QUOTE]
We should just assume all accusations are legitimate and not bother with evidence right?
Fucking appalling that this is even an issue. I'm glad that she was caught.
W.A.R., what is it....no
It's an obvious deflection, but it will work.
How goddamn crazy do you have to be to be a law graduate and pull shit like this.
Yay another thread that will definitely not turn into a feminism/rape/police state/whatever pile of absolutely terrible shit within minutes. Can't wait to not read the next 10 pages.
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"Women Against Rape"
I mean...rape is bad and all, but what exactly is this group going to do about it?
Anyway, Im glad she was caught. I honestly think anyone who cries false rape should be charged with a punishment that is equal to actually committing a rape.
[quote]claimed the police and Crown Prosecution Service put more resources into such cases than into investigating violent crimes including rape.[/quote]
Stop pretending this is an illegitimate concern on the feminists part
[QUOTE=Oizen;45056275]
I mean...rape is bad and all, but what exactly is this group going to do about it?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]War argues that such prosecutions can deter women from reporting rape and domestic abuse.[/QUOTE]
Support women who lie about rape to further their own interests or get revenge? I can see where this point comes from but seriously.
I can't see how this isn't insulting to rape victims.
[QUOTE=Oizen;45056275]"Women Against Rape"
I mean...rape is bad and all, but what exactly is this group going to do about it?[/QUOTE]
I never thought I'd say something like this, but thinking there's nothing you can do about the rape problem is pretty rape culture-y
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45056291]Support women who lie about rape to further their own interests or get revenge.
Can't see how this isn't insulting to rape victims.[/QUOTE]
Considering she actually accused someone of the same kind of rape I suffered through, I feel qualified to strongly wish that she rots in jail for just....ugh
I wouldn't have had a damn chance of getting my rapist convicted, and this guy would have been screwed if it weren't for exonerating evidence....it just hurts.
I can see where they're coming from (If there are more officers put on a case like this vs. a normal rape investigation), but bringing up that argument in regards to a case where a woman did make false allegations is stupid, because it'll be spun as them arguing against investigating false allegations (Much like the topic does)
[QUOTE=sambooo;45056269]Yay another thread that will definitely not turn into a feminism/rape/police state/whatever pile of absolutely terrible shit within minutes. Can't wait to not read the next 10 pages.[/QUOTE]
yeah man i fucking hate it when people start discussing stuff on a forum
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;45056306]I never thought I'd say something like this, but thinking there's nothing you can do about the rape problem is pretty rape culture-y[/QUOTE]
What do you do to prevent rape then? Im genuinely curious what people think should be done to prevent it.
The only thing that comes into my mind, is teach women how to defend themselves from it.
[QUOTE=Oizen;45056391]What do you do to prevent rape then? Im genuinely curious what people think should be done to prevent it.
The only thing that comes into my mind, is teach women how to defend themselves from it.[/QUOTE]
How about teaching people that it's bad and they shouldn't rape people?
Much in the same way we teach kids not to steal things.
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;45056390]yeah man i fucking hate it when people start discussing stuff on a forum[/QUOTE]
There's discussions and then there's shit-flinging. Let's see where this thread takes us.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45056417]How about teaching people that it's bad and they shouldn't rape people?
Much in the same way we teach kids not to steal things.[/QUOTE]
because that works so well for thievery
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45056417]How about teaching people that it's bad and they shouldn't rape people?
Much in the same way we teach kids not to steal things.[/QUOTE]
There's quite a few people that aren't going to listen and do it anyway. Even though we teach kids not to steal, we still have people that steal from others.
We should teach that it's wrong, but also teach people how to defend themselves if the time does come.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45056417]How about teaching people that it's bad and they shouldn't rape people?
Much in the same way we teach kids not to steal things.[/QUOTE]
Uh
We pretty much do
Like what parent says "RAPE IS GOOD" to their child
[QUOTE=Blazedol;45056481]Uh
We pretty much do
Like what parent says "RAPE IS GOOD" to their child[/QUOTE]
Ask the government of India.
It's not as blunt as that, but it does happen in some cultures.
[QUOTE=Oizen;45056275]"Women Against Rape"
I mean...rape is bad and all, but what exactly is this group going to do about it?[/QUOTE]
Provide legal and possibly therapy support for victims of rape, I guess?
Anyway, I'm not sure I understand the situation here. Are these WAR people mad that she's going to get punished for what she did? Do they support the whole lying-about-rape thing?
[QUOTE=Oizen;45056391]What do you do to prevent rape then? Im genuinely curious what people think should be done to prevent it.
The only thing that comes into my mind, is teach women how to defend themselves from it.[/QUOTE]
You could cover consent better when teaching sex education, you could encourage safe practices to reduce risk, you could try to build empathy and an understanding so people realise the extent of what is being done, and you can try to encourage people to go against the bystander effect and go out of your way to help someone. There's already a number of examples of these tactics so it's not anything new...
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45056417]How about teaching people that it's bad and they shouldn't rape people?
Much in the same way we teach kids not to steal things.[/QUOTE]
But when this is the best message you can get out, you can see why people don't take it seriously.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;45056499]Ask the government of India.
It's not as blunt as that, but it does happen in some cultures.[/QUOTE]
Well, not to be a dick or anything but if there's a culture like that then that's culture's pretty much fucked
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45056417]How about teaching people that it's bad and they shouldn't rape people?[/QUOTE]
I don't think my parents have ever told me explicitly not to kill people. However because of the culture and society around me I have values that make it so that I don't.
Rape is the same way. Aside from sexual education classes we learn this through our society and culture. Rapists are 99% of the time either depicted as being the villains or just assholes. Finding a heroic rapist with all of the virtues that heroes generally have who is not from ancient times sure would be something that would outrage alot of people in the mainstream media.
The news media and culture around us don't celebrate rapists either or hold up rape as something great either. In fact rapists are evil. At most you could find some frat of football players who do celebrate rape and unfortunately our society (US specifically) lets those people get away with almost anything.
(old, but this links to a huge discussion about this very topic)
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Stealing. It's bad. We teach kids not to do it.
Assault. Bad. We teach kids not to do it.
Murder. Horrible thing. We teach kids not to do it.
Rape is bad, but some reason we don't tell kids not to do it, or in fact discuss it at all.
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However, more comprehensive sex ed programs that cover rape/consent would be great.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45056554]I don't think my parents have ever told me explicitly not to kill people. However because of the culture and society around me I have values that make it so that I don't.
Rape is the same way. Aside from sexual education classes we learn this through our society and culture. Rapists are 99% of the time either depicted as being the villains or just assholes. Finding a heroic rapist with all of the virtues who is not from ancient times sure would be something.
The news media and culture around us don't celebrate rapists either or hold up rape as something great either. At most you could find some frat of football players who do and unfortunately our society (US specifically) lets those people get away with almost anything.
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However, more comprehensive sex ed programs that cover rape/consent would be great.[/QUOTE]
A shockingly high number of people seem to think it's perfectly ok, as long as you word the question correctly:
[QUOTE]- A survey of 11-to-14 year-olds found:(ref 5)
· 51% of the boys and 41% of the girls said forced sex was acceptable if the boy, "spent a lot of money" on the girl;
· 31% of the boys and 32% of the girls said it was acceptable for a man to rape a woman with past sexual experience;
· 87% of boys and 79% of girls said sexual assault was acceptable if the man and the woman were married;
· 65% of the boys and 47% of the girls said it was acceptable for a boy to rape a girl if they had been dating for more than six months. [/QUOTE] (figures are admittedly from 1991)
What is rape and what people think is rape are often not the same thing.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45056417]How about teaching people that it's bad and they shouldn't rape people?
Much in the same way we teach kids not to steal things.[/QUOTE]
But stealing happens all the time.
So clearly that isn't going to work. I mean, I wish it would but.
Assholes ruin everything.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45056417]How about teaching people that it's bad and they shouldn't rape people?
Much in the same way we teach kids not to steal things.[/QUOTE]
hahaha what, you say "the same way we teach kids not to steal things" as if theft isnt an exponentially bigger percentage of crime than rape, like simply saying "no dont do that its bad" is enough to stop ANYTHING
we need to either invest more into detection and treatment of the mental illness that causes rapists to be the way they are, or invest more into getting potential victims to better defend themselves
this tumblr "teach men not to rape" shit is fucking retarded, the vast majority of society, men included, view rapists as scumbags and freaks
I would have thought womens rights activists would hate false rape accusers as much as anyone because they put a bad light on real rape victims.
If you go around defending anyone that screams rape regardless of if it's actually true or not you're doing the opposite of helping those who actually need it.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;45056649]hahaha what, you say "the same way we teach kids not to steal things" as if theft isnt an exponentially bigger percentage of crime than rape, like simply saying "no dont do that its bad" is enough to stop ANYTHING
we need to either invest more into detection and treatment of the mental illness that causes rapists to be the way they are, or invest more into getting potential victims to better defend themselves
this tumblr "teach men not to rape" shit is fucking retarded, the vast majority of society, men included, view rapists as scumbags and freaks[/QUOTE]
I bet most of them didn't know that kissing someone cute you met at a party who they thought was batting their eyes at them without asking can easily be sexual assault. Especially if the person turns out to be off their face drunk and the kisser didn't realise. Yet it's something they put in movies all the time (usually they aren't drunk in the movies, but they really have no way of knowing).
[QUOTE=gerbe1;45056585]A shockingly high number of people seem to think it's perfectly ok, as long as you word the question correctly:
(figures are admittedly from 1991)
What is rape and what people think is rape are often not the same thing.[/QUOTE]
I think 11-14 year olds are the more important aspect as I don't think they're very sexually experienced.
That is something worth taking into account though because the circumstances around the act are just as important as the act itself. You won't have much luck just crying rape is bad, you need to educate people about why it is rape and as I said before, work towards building empathy so people understand better what is going on. The job of getting people against rape is already done, it just needs to be fleshed out to cover these more ambiguous circumstances.
[QUOTE=gerbe1;45056585]A shockingly high number of people seem to think it's perfectly ok, as long as you word the question correctly:
[b] (figures are admittedly from 1991)[/b]
What is rape and what people think is rape are often not the same thing.[/QUOTE]
Can you link that particular study?
Also, wording is a huge thing in studies and if you fail to word it correctly then the entire community pretty much dismisses it because of how wording effects the way we think about it. I'd bet money that if you asked that same group of kids using the word 'rape' those numbers would be completely different.
[editline]10th June 2014[/editline]
When we're talking about a particular action, you can't skirt around what it actually is or you won't be getting real results.
Plus a dozen other factors which [i]you cannot ignore[/i], especially considering that particular group of kids in that age group. A true comprehensive study of culture and people's thoughts can't be handled with a few asinine questions like that, it runs much deeper and isn't so black and white.
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